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John146

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I understand. Thank you.
The point is, we don't know if Jesus assumed the Nazarite vow before or after He raised Lazarus from the dead.
I’m not assuming anything, I’ll stick with what Scripture actually says.
 

Whispered

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Nope, not to my knowledge
True. The only time anything like wine touched the lips of our Lord was on the cross. Wine, vinegar and hyssop were soaked into a sponge and raised to His lips after Jesus spoke of His thirst. After it touched His lips He said, it is finished.
neither should we.
No, that isn't scripture. We shouldn't become drunken with spirits, but we are not prohibited from imbibing.
John the Baptist, in the womb of his mother Elizabeth, was prophesied to be a Nazarite. Read Luke 1.
 

calibob

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Jesus clearly turned ceremonial water used for cleaning into the best wine at the wedding, and was criticized for it! This holiness stance some people take is exaggerated. We should not drink wine or strong drink in front of those offended by, or it is a stumbling block to but there is no sin in and of itself.

I make no secret of the fact that I have an allergy that causes a phenomena of craving that can be caused by the ingestion of alcohol in any form... It is diagnosed as alcoholism. I am no longer a drunkard! I choose not to imbibe in order to avoid my own sinfully nature and to prevent relapse aka; backsliding. Not everybody has this problem so; I won't put everybody in the same boat.

Romans 14:
The Law of Love
…20) Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to let his eating be a stumbling block. 21) It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything to cause your brother to stumble. 22) Keep your belief about such matters between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.…
Berean Study Bible
 

Whispered

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#67
Jesus clearly turned ceremonial water used for cleaning into the best wine at the wedding, and was criticized for it! This holiness stance some people take is exaggerated. We should not drink wine or strong drink in front of those offended by, or it is a stumbling block to but there is no sin in and of itself.

I make no secret of the fact that I have an allergy that causes a phenomena of craving that can be caused by the ingestion of alcohol in any form... It is diagnosed as alcoholism. I am no longer a drunkard! I choose not to imbibe in order to avoid my own sinfully nature and to prevent relapse aka; backsliding. Not everybody has this problem so; I won't put everybody in the same boat.

Romans 14:
The Law of Love
…20) Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to let his eating be a stumbling block. 21) It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything to cause your brother to stumble. 22) Keep your belief about such matters between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.…
Berean Study Bible
A dear friend is allergic to alcohol. He found out that his blood heritage made him predisposed to alcoholism due to what you describe, a craving for the sugars in fermented drink. Their chromosomes 4 and 11 produce less quantity of dehydrogenase (ADH), the enzyme that converts ethanol, alcohol, into acetaldehyde, which is acetic alcohol and water, once the enzyme "ALDH2" or, acetaldehyde dehydrogenase starts the finishing work of making the acetic alcohol, sugar, and water. The less ADH and ALDH2 one has the slower the metabolism process takes. Consequently the body is exposed for longer periods of time to the alcohol properties themselves prior to full conversion. The more your body holds the acetaldehyde in that stage two process, because it takes longer to get there due to the lesser quantity of ADH, which makes that hormone's processing the alcohol slower, the sicker you can get.

One way to find out if you're allergic to alcohol, this is for anyone reading who may be curious, I know you're aware by now, is if you start to flush red shortly after drinking hard alcohol and begin to sneeze. That's the sign you should not be drinking because your body is having an adverse reaction.
My friend's heritage is Asian and native American. Both lines have depleted ADH and ALDH2, in most cases. Not all. This isn't a blanket diagnosis for all Asian culture and native tribes.
 
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Jesus clearly turned ceremonial water used for cleaning into the best wine at the wedding, and was criticized for it! This holiness stance some people take is exaggerated. We should not drink wine or strong drink in front of those offended by, or it is a stumbling block to but there is no sin in and of itself.

I make no secret of the fact that I have an allergy that causes a phenomena of craving that can be caused by the ingestion of alcohol in any form... It is diagnosed as alcoholism. I am no longer a drunkard! I choose not to imbibe in order to avoid my own sinfully nature and to prevent relapse aka; backsliding. Not everybody has this problem so; I won't put everybody in the same boat.

Romans 14:
The Law of Love
…20) Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to let his eating be a stumbling block. 21) It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything to cause your brother to stumble. 22) Keep your belief about such matters between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.…
Berean Study Bible
1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
 

calibob

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#69
A dear friend is allergic to alcohol. He found out that his blood heritage made him predisposed to alcoholism due to what you describe, a craving for the sugars in fermented drink. Their chromosomes 4 and 11 produce less quantity of dehydrogenase (ADH), the enzyme that converts ethanol, alcohol, into acetaldehyde, which is acetic alcohol and water, once the enzyme "ALDH2" or, acetaldehyde dehydrogenase starts the finishing work of making the acetic alcohol, sugar, and water. The less ADH and ALDH2 one has the slower the metabolism process takes. Consequently the body is exposed for longer periods of time to the alcohol properties themselves prior to full conversion. The more your body holds the acetaldehyde in that stage two process, because it takes longer to get there due to the lesser quantity of ADH, which makes that hormone's processing the alcohol slower, the sicker you can get..
Exactly! Thank you.
 

Whispered

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Exactly! Thank you.
You're welcome. And God continue to bless you in your strength and recovery.
Women can be predisposed to drinking to excess too and this during the time before menstruation, or the PMS cycle that can occur prior to menstruation itself. They don't have to have the depleted hormones mentioned prior, their body just craves sugar and alcohol has plenty of that.
When I was in my 20's I wasn't regular in my monthly but I knew when it was there because I walked into the bakery section of a grocery and thought to myself, all I need is a fork, a credit card, and time, and I can finish off at least the left side of the display. :ROFL:
I was so proud of myself. I left without buying even one little cheesecake treat for myself. Which I would have consumed in the car.
Fork? Me don't need no stinking fork. :LOL:
 
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bach to the original Topic;,
ISA. 53:2.
For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground:
He has no form or comeliness; and when we shall see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him.
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all of the 'modern' and 'post modern' IMAGES=STATUES' that are created by man to 'attract-the-eye' of the world,
for their own agenda,
are in direct 'contradiction' to what the SCRIPTURES tell us about His appearance!!!
 

calibob

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bach to the original Topic;,
ISA. 53:2.
For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground:
He has no form or comeliness; and when we shall see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him.
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all of the 'modern' and 'post modern' IMAGES=STATUES' that are created by man to 'attract-the-eye' of the world,
for their own agenda,
are in direct 'contradiction' to what the SCRIPTURES tell us about His appearance!!!
Well art is art and should not be worshipped, or paced before, on, beside or behind the alter under any condition. That's all I have to say about it.
 
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PS. 133:1.
[A Song of degrees of David.]
Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
:):):)
 
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I did not remember a specific length, but a few was under it for life.
Its not the length of hair but hair itself . It is used as a metaphor to represent the unseen glory of God. Woman as the glory of man were not left without a representative glory of their own. It must be covered or shaven to show they had no faith that alone comes from hearing the gospel. Working together with the uncovered head or hair of men. It provide one outward demonstration of the two in respect of the upcoming wedding supper in the new heavens and earth . A sign for the angels who long to look into salvation seeing they are not subject to it. This is where and when in the twinkling of the eye. . the two literally become one new creature as a bride. Christ's wife.
 

posthuman

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He went and lived in a town called Nazareth.
So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets,
that He would be called a Nazarene.
(Matthew 2:23)
For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘he has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by all her children.
(Luke 7:33-35)
And He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.
After taking the cup, He gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you, for I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.
(Luke 22:16-18)
 
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I understand. Thank you.
The point is, we don't know if Jesus assumed the Nazarite vow before or after He raised Lazarus from the dead.
He was a Nazarene from birth, the Nazarite from Nazareth. The substance as to a shadow of the vow . The Nazarene that raised Lazarus.
Wake up rise... my bride, be clothed with the righteous of your husband .
 

Whispered

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He was a Nazarene from birth, the Nazarite from Nazareth. The substance as to a shadow of the vow . The Nazarene that raised Lazarus.
Wake up rise... my bride, be clothed with the righteous of your husband .
However, there is a difference between being a citizen of Nazareth, a Nazarene, and being that of a Nazarite.
John the Baptist was to be a Nazarite, as we learn when we read The Book of Luke chapter 1:15 for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb. 16 And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God, 17 and he will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready for the Lord a people prepared.

When Elizabeth, John's mother, was greeted by her cousin Mary, who was pregnant with Jesus, John is said to have lept in Elizabeth's womb. What if Jesus was also to take the Nazarite vow that John was prophesied to assume in Luke 1?
It would make sense since John's mission was to ready the way for Messiah.