Are Luke 21 and Matthew 24 identical?

[TooFastTurtle]

Many have noted the differences between Matthew 24 and Luke 21, including the location the information was given, to which audience and most importantly, these verses in Luke 21:

Luke 21:34-36 King James Version (KJV)
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I read that and compare that to the Matthew 24 dialogue and nothing there about standing before the Son of Man or escaping.

Another difference is this:

Luke 21:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

I underlined the part that differs from the Matthew 24 Olivet discourse as the thelogians call it. "But BEFORE all these" is not in the Matthew 24 discourse.

Discuss away, do you think Luke 21 and Matthew 24 are identical or different?

 

[GaryA]

The three separate accounts of the Olivet Discourse (Matthew, Mark, Luke) are just exactly that - three accounts of the same discourse.

If you would like to examine a comparison of all three accounts of the Olivet Discourse, please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Olivet_Discourse.html

 

[Nehemiah6]

Discuss away, do you think Luke 21 and Matthew 24 are identical or different?

They are similar in some respects and quite different in others. One needs to harmonize all three accounts of the Olivet Discourse (which I did some time ago) to determine the proper chronological sequence of events.

 

[TooFastTurtle]

They are similar in some respects and quite different in others. One needs to harmonize all three accounts of the Olivet Discourse (which I did some time ago) to determine the proper chronological sequence of events.

Could you break it down for me?

 

[crossnote]

Many have noted the differences between Matthew 24 and Luke 21, including the location the information was given, to which audience and most importantly, these verses in Luke 21:

Luke 21:34-36 King James Version (KJV)
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

“Therefore stay alert, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have been alert and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him. Matthew 24:42-44

They seem quite similar to me.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Could you break it down for me?

Sure. Words from Matthew are blue, from Mark red, and from Luke green.

PART I

ADMIRATION OF THE TEMPLE BY THE DISCIPLES
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! 5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

PREDICTION OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

PREDICTION OF THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

DISCOURSE ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

WARNING AGAINST DECEPTION
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 8a And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived:

FALSE CHRISTS PREDICTED (the First Seal of Revelation)
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 8b for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

WARS AND RUMORS OF WAR PREDICTED (the Second Seal of Revelation)
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7a For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. 8a For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

FAMINES, EARTHQUAKES, PESTILENCES PREDICTED (the Third and Fourth Seals of Revelation)
7b and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 8b and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. 11a And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences;

AFFLICTIONS, PERSECUTIONS, AND MARTYRDOM PREDICTED (the Fifth Seal of Revelation)
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them 11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. 18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

 

[Nehemiah6]

PART II

FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE CHRISTS PREDICTED
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

GOSPEL TO BE PREACHED WORLDWIDE BEFORE THE END (THE SECOND COMING)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

THE ANTICHRIST AND SATANIC LYING WONDERS PREDICTED
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION PREDICTED
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) 14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

FLIGHT FROM JERUSALEM AND JUDEA NECESSARY
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither entertherein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

THE GREAT TRIBULATION PREDICTED (the Seventh Seal of Revelation)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. [Note: Here the 6th and 7th seals are not chronological]

CATACLYSMIC COSMIC EVENTS PREDICTED (the Sixth Seal of Revelation)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 11b and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN PREDICTED
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

THE GATHERING OF ISRAEL’S ELECT PREDICTED
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

YOUR REDEMPTION (THE RAPTURE) PREDICTED
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[TooFastTurtle]

PART II

FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE CHRISTS PREDICTED
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

GOSPEL TO BE PREACHED WORLDWIDE BEFORE THE END (THE SECOND COMING)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

THE ANTICHRIST AND SATANIC LYING WONDERS PREDICTED
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION PREDICTED
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) 14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

FLIGHT FROM JERUSALEM AND JUDEA NECESSARY
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither entertherein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

THE GREAT TRIBULATION PREDICTED (the Seventh Seal of Revelation)
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. [Note: Here the 6th and 7th seals are not chronological]

CATACLYSMIC COSMIC EVENTS PREDICTED (the Sixth Seal of Revelation)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 11b and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN PREDICTED
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

THE GATHERING OF ISRAEL’S ELECT PREDICTED
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

YOUR REDEMPTION (THE RAPTURE) PREDICTED
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Thank you for taking the time to go through all these. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you brother