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We should not forget adultery, drunkenness, gossip, and bearing false witness which are all on the same list of reasons to be expelled from Church according to Paul. A guy that cheats on his wife or lies about his neighbor is no better or worse than any common homosexual. Let us not forget that Roman/Greco bath houses were commonly just places for bisexual drunken orgies in the 1st century!
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Well, see, this is a myth within the Church.
In one sense, all sins are the same because all qualify one for eternal death.
In another sense, there are worse sins with much more disastrous consequences than others.
For instance, I know one guy who engaged in homosexual activity knowing full well he was infected with AIDS.
Can you really claim this sin was at the same level of depravity as an individual who lied or gossiped?
I will agree that a fornicator or liar needs salvation exactly at the same level as the homosexual, but there are certain sins which are worse in degree of consequence than others.
In fact, this is going to be poll question
In one sense, all sins are the same because all qualify one for eternal death.
In another sense, there are worse sins with much more disastrous consequences than others.
For instance, I know one guy who engaged in homosexual activity knowing full well he was infected with AIDS.
Can you really claim this sin was at the same level of depravity as an individual who lied or gossiped?
I will agree that a fornicator or liar needs salvation exactly at the same level as the homosexual, but there are certain sins which are worse in degree of consequence than others.
In fact, this is going to be poll question
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He's feminine looking. I think it's hard to get away from this observation.
There may have been some differences at that time, but I think his portraits show a more feminine look than others I've seen from the same time period.
There were contemporary accounts of him hugging and kissing guys, and his sexuality was in question. Others can claim it is slander by his enemies, but apparently there was some basis for the accusations or they wouldn't have been promulgated by more than a few.
I suggest that folks watch the videos I posted from Youtube by Adam Nicolson who affirms this. He actually likes the KJV although he is secular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5UxhDfFtNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx5A9d52v94
No one really cares but KJV Onlyists though
By the way, this isn't even on the topic of the thread..not sure how we got off into this topic again. I don't even care about KJV Onlyism. It's absurd to me.
There may have been some differences at that time, but I think his portraits show a more feminine look than others I've seen from the same time period.
There were contemporary accounts of him hugging and kissing guys, and his sexuality was in question. Others can claim it is slander by his enemies, but apparently there was some basis for the accusations or they wouldn't have been promulgated by more than a few.
I suggest that folks watch the videos I posted from Youtube by Adam Nicolson who affirms this. He actually likes the KJV although he is secular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5UxhDfFtNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx5A9d52v94
No one really cares but KJV Onlyists though
By the way, this isn't even on the topic of the thread..not sure how we got off into this topic again. I don't even care about KJV Onlyism. It's absurd to me.
Well, see, this is a myth within the Church.
In one sense, all sins are the same because all qualify one for eternal death.
In another sense, there are worse sins with much more disastrous consequences than others.
For instance, I know one guy who engaged in homosexual activity knowing full well he was infected with AIDS.
Can you really claim this sin was at the same level of depravity as an individual who lied or gossiped?
I will agree that a fornicator or liar needs salvation exactly at the same level as the homosexual, but there are certain sins which are worse in degree of consequence than others.
In fact, this is going to be poll question
In one sense, all sins are the same because all qualify one for eternal death.
In another sense, there are worse sins with much more disastrous consequences than others.
For instance, I know one guy who engaged in homosexual activity knowing full well he was infected with AIDS.
Can you really claim this sin was at the same level of depravity as an individual who lied or gossiped?
I will agree that a fornicator or liar needs salvation exactly at the same level as the homosexual, but there are certain sins which are worse in degree of consequence than others.
In fact, this is going to be poll question
Well, see, this is a myth within the Church.
In one sense, all sins are the same because all qualify one for eternal death.
In another sense, there are worse sins with much more disastrous consequences than others.
For instance, I know one guy who engaged in homosexual activity knowing full well he was infected with AIDS.
Can you really claim this sin was at the same level of depravity as an individual who lied or gossiped?
I will agree that a fornicator or liar needs salvation exactly at the same level as the homosexual, but there are certain sins which are worse in degree of consequence than others.
In fact, this is going to be poll question
In one sense, all sins are the same because all qualify one for eternal death.
In another sense, there are worse sins with much more disastrous consequences than others.
For instance, I know one guy who engaged in homosexual activity knowing full well he was infected with AIDS.
Can you really claim this sin was at the same level of depravity as an individual who lied or gossiped?
I will agree that a fornicator or liar needs salvation exactly at the same level as the homosexual, but there are certain sins which are worse in degree of consequence than others.
In fact, this is going to be poll question
He's feminine looking. I think it's hard to get away from this observation.
There may have been some differences at that time, but I think his portraits show a more feminine look than others I've seen from the same time period.
There were contemporary accounts of him hugging and kissing guys, and his sexuality was in question. Others can claim it is slander by his enemies, but apparently there was some basis for the accusations or they wouldn't have been promulgated by more than a few.
I suggest that folks watch the videos I posted from Youtube by Adam Nicolson who affirms this. He actually likes the. KJV although he is secular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5UxhDfFtNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx5A9d52v94
No one really cares but KJV Onlyists though
By the way, this isn't even on the topic of the thread..not sure how we got off into this topic again. I don't even care about KJV Onlyism. It's absurd to me.
There may have been some differences at that time, but I think his portraits show a more feminine look than others I've seen from the same time period.
There were contemporary accounts of him hugging and kissing guys, and his sexuality was in question. Others can claim it is slander by his enemies, but apparently there was some basis for the accusations or they wouldn't have been promulgated by more than a few.
I suggest that folks watch the videos I posted from Youtube by Adam Nicolson who affirms this. He actually likes the. KJV although he is secular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5UxhDfFtNg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx5A9d52v94
No one really cares but KJV Onlyists though
By the way, this isn't even on the topic of the thread..not sure how we got off into this topic again. I don't even care about KJV Onlyism. It's absurd to me.
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Well, see, this is a myth within the Church.
In fact, this is going to be poll question
In fact, this is going to be poll question
Perhaps a tax dodger or whoremonger is as bad as a homosexual, but certainly not as bad as an attempted serial killer, rapist or pedophile.
https://heidelblog.net/
Was Calvin A Homosexual Convict?
Recently a correspondent wrote to ask about the following:
Was Calvin A Homosexual Convict?
An interesting story: in 1527, the year he was 18, Calvin was arrested, tried, and convicted of homosexual activity. Instead of being executed (per French law at the time), he was branded with a fleur-de-lis on one of his shoulders.
The myth is that all sins are the same in God's sight.
In one sense, this is true (all qualify for eternal death), but in another sense, it is untrue (different sins have different consequences, and different sins reflect a higher exhibition of depravity).
READ ROMANS 1.
How does Paul view homosexuality?
He views it as extreme depravity.
He talks about "even their women" are practicing it.
Men can be expected, at some level, to be active in sexual sin, but when women start engaging in lesbianism, it reflects a society that is exhibiting its' depravity at a higher level than would be otherwise.
So, God gives them up to deeper depravity (removing his restraining grace).
This view of Christianity that homosexual sin is exactly the same as heterosexual sin is faulty. In one sense, yes, in another sense, no.
Even humans know that beating and raping little kids is more depraved than crimes against adults.
Romans 1:18 - 2:1 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Homosexuality is basically giving God the finger. It is obvious that the design of male and female bodies reflect a created design and purpose. Therefore, unconverted man is essentially knowingly giving God the finger when they engage in homosexual sin.
By the way, I would say the exact same things even if my own child were involved in it, or anyone I care about, or myself even.
Liberal Christianity is listening to this idea that certain sins are exactly the same as others. Well, Paul is using the particular sin of homosexuality to reflect a high degree of sexual depravity here. It is "going against the nature" or the scheme of things.
I will agree that God's design is for a man and woman to be married and exclusive. No argument whatsoever with that here. However, homosexuality reflects extreme depravity, and mankind used to know that and acknowledge it.
All sin is not the same in God's sight, in one sense....ask anyone here if raping a child or torturing them is the same degree of depravity as doing the same action to an adult. Both are abhorrent, but certainly violating the trust of a child is much worse than the same crime against an adult.
In one sense, this is true (all qualify for eternal death), but in another sense, it is untrue (different sins have different consequences, and different sins reflect a higher exhibition of depravity).
READ ROMANS 1.
How does Paul view homosexuality?
He views it as extreme depravity.
He talks about "even their women" are practicing it.
Men can be expected, at some level, to be active in sexual sin, but when women start engaging in lesbianism, it reflects a society that is exhibiting its' depravity at a higher level than would be otherwise.
So, God gives them up to deeper depravity (removing his restraining grace).
This view of Christianity that homosexual sin is exactly the same as heterosexual sin is faulty. In one sense, yes, in another sense, no.
Even humans know that beating and raping little kids is more depraved than crimes against adults.
Romans 1:18 - 2:1 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Homosexuality is basically giving God the finger. It is obvious that the design of male and female bodies reflect a created design and purpose. Therefore, unconverted man is essentially knowingly giving God the finger when they engage in homosexual sin.
By the way, I would say the exact same things even if my own child were involved in it, or anyone I care about, or myself even.
Liberal Christianity is listening to this idea that certain sins are exactly the same as others. Well, Paul is using the particular sin of homosexuality to reflect a high degree of sexual depravity here. It is "going against the nature" or the scheme of things.
I will agree that God's design is for a man and woman to be married and exclusive. No argument whatsoever with that here. However, homosexuality reflects extreme depravity, and mankind used to know that and acknowledge it.
All sin is not the same in God's sight, in one sense....ask anyone here if raping a child or torturing them is the same degree of depravity as doing the same action to an adult. Both are abhorrent, but certainly violating the trust of a child is much worse than the same crime against an adult.
https://heidelblog.net/
Was Calvin A Homosexual Convict?
Recently a correspondent wrote to ask about the following:
Was Calvin A Homosexual Convict?
An interesting story: in 1527, the year he was 18, Calvin was arrested, tried, and convicted of homosexual activity. Instead of being executed (per French law at the time), he was branded with a fleur-de-lis on one of his shoulders.
They are not as credible as the ones about King James and Erasmus, though.
This sounds like the nonsense that Dave Hunt specialized in
By the way "Calvinism" doesn't depend on John Calvin anyways..I would call it "biblicism".