Not By Works
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I am thinking that @dcontroversal is very, very intimidated by me, because so far he has not called me "LostHour"
Hahaha....hehe
Hahaha....hehe
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We will all bear our own judgment. The sad thing is there is nothing I can do to help. I think there is more hope for my brother who believes he is God and knows that he dosent know Jesus but is able to show kindness to me. "For as much as you have done it to the least of these My friends you have done it to Me." You make it obvuous that you walk in the light of your own eyes. "If the light that is in you be divided (causing divisions) how great is that darkness." You are a warning for others not to fall in pride of achievment that blinds and leads the blinds. The veary judgment you judge others with is your lot. Your not the Judge, "The judge stands at the door." I judge no one.
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At least you know there is a sin that cant be forgiven. Peter denied the Lord and Jesus prayed for Him that his faith would not fail. Its betrayal that may not be forgiven: what the religious leaders and Judas did because they wanted to remain in power. And Im shure this is diferent than compromise under torture. "Some were tortured, not compromising that they may obtain a better Resurrection." By the way how does that fit, in not by works?
"This is the work of God that you believe on Him who He has sent." Can anyone see that believe means to follow. Grace enables us, we would not be able to do the Work of God and die for the Faith without the Holy Spirit.
"This is the work of God that you believe on Him who He has sent." Can anyone see that believe means to follow. Grace enables us, we would not be able to do the Work of God and die for the Faith without the Holy Spirit.
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Although God will discipline His Children on earth for many reasons, He is NOT going to "punish" His Children at judgement beyond destroying their works that weren't from the Holy Spirit, and Glorify Him.
Are you suggesting that some are going to suffer some type of purgatory after judgement?
Although God will discipline His Children on earth for many reasons, He is NOT going to "punish" His Children at judgement beyond destroying their works that weren't from the Holy Spirit, and Glorify Him.
Are you suggesting that some are going to suffer some type of purgatory after judgement?
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Sir, let me explain and elaborate.... I will try to be succinct.
No I am not supporting the idea of purgatory as all.
Life after death is not what is in view here at all, we must be careful to not add to the text, people make a word mean one thing over and over, words have different semantics depending on the surrounding text, I hope you would agree?
It my understanding that Greek word is timoria, this is the only time it is used in the New Testament ... carries the same idea as in verse 27 fiery indignation.
The author is fiercely driving home how much God is indignant and rightly so, towards those who try back to the law.
τιμωρέω - timōréō [tim-o-reh'-o]
Short Definition :
properly, to protect one's honor, i.e., to avenge (inflict a penalty)
Notice..... Verses 28-30 deal with the idea that if God dealt severely with those who violated the Law of Moses, then how do you think He would feel about those who purposely leave the blood of the new covenant?
I also think this verse really drives it home.... vs. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
So the indignation to inflict a penalty in this life is about God's correction and He has every right to correct.
Saphira and Ananias come to mind.
No I am not supporting the idea of purgatory as all.
Life after death is not what is in view here at all, we must be careful to not add to the text, people make a word mean one thing over and over, words have different semantics depending on the surrounding text, I hope you would agree?
It my understanding that Greek word is timoria, this is the only time it is used in the New Testament ... carries the same idea as in verse 27 fiery indignation.
The author is fiercely driving home how much God is indignant and rightly so, towards those who try back to the law.
τιμωρέω - timōréō [tim-o-reh'-o]
Short Definition :
properly, to protect one's honor, i.e., to avenge (inflict a penalty)
Notice..... Verses 28-30 deal with the idea that if God dealt severely with those who violated the Law of Moses, then how do you think He would feel about those who purposely leave the blood of the new covenant?
I also think this verse really drives it home.... vs. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
So the indignation to inflict a penalty in this life is about God's correction and He has every right to correct.
Saphira and Ananias come to mind.
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That the letter is written with believers in mind is not in question, so I entreat once again because I loathe false doctrine that much,
exegete and prove loss of salvation?
Obviously "willful sin" is a weak argument unless you are perfect?
As well how much "willful sin" does it take ...if you are honest you have not answer..... are you honest?
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