The Cambridge Declaration

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Is the Cambridge Declaration biblical?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • No

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Total voters
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Hullexile

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John146 said:
Obviously you did not read my above post. I’ll restate:

In 1611 the English language was spoken by a mere 3% of the world's population, but today English has become the closest thing to a universal language in history. He used the King James Bible to carry His words to the far ends of the earth, where it was translated into hundreds of languages by English and American missionaries for over 300 years. The sun never set on the British empire. It was even taken to space by American astronauts and read from there.
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Even if it is a translation of the KJV it is not the KJV. Languages aren't word for word translatable especially when dealing with outdated, if beautiful, language. It is a racist belief.
 
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John146

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Chester said:
Amen, we are justified by believing - which is faith! and it is not by works - yes and amen! but this doesn't say it is by "faith alone" -- ?????
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Sure it does, to him that worketh not. Anything other than faith is works.
 
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John146

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Hullexile said:
Even if it is a translation of the KJV it is not the KJV. Languages aren't word for word translatable especially when dealing with outdated, if beautiful, language. It is a racist belief.
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God did not promise to preserve His word in every language. There was a period of time when for about 2000 years only one small nation had the true and pure words of God. Does this mean God is a racist? God forbid.

Psalms 147:19-20 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation; and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.
 
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Chester

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John146 said:
Sure it does, to him that workers not. Anything other than faith is works.
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Anything other than faith is works? Really?

So grace is works. So Jesus is works. So love is works. the cross is works, the blood is works, the resurrection is works, repentance is works . . . and so on . . . .? Really?
 
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John146

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Chester said:
Anything other than faith is works? Really?

So grace is works. So Jesus is works. So love is works. the cross is works, the blood is works, the resurrection is works, repentance is works . . . and so on . . . .? Really?
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Grace is a gift given to thos who believe. The cross was the work of Christ. He did all the work so grace could be given.
 
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Hullexile

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John146 said:
God did not promise to preserve His word in every language. There was a period of time when for about 2000 years only one small nation had the true and pure words of God. Does this mean God is a racist? God forbid.

Psalms 147:19-20 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation; and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.
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Clearly I missed the bit about "a blessing unto all nations but only if the speak an old fashioned form of English which is worshipped as an idol in some obscure parts of a foreign land".
 
calibob

calibob

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Well the Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew languages of the 1st century were much more sophisticated than late 16th century English. Better coppies of the original texts James translation is a literary masterpiece but is nearly as outdated as Shakespeare which they don't teach in most American public schools any more. I trust the Berean Study Bible, the New International fourth edition translations and translators far more than a 1611 English translation of anything. Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James and Jude; Didn't speak or write in the King of England's, English anyway. And I doubt that the translators had as much non-catholicized education either.

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Let's not forget the names of the authors.
 
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John146

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Hullexile said:
Clearly I missed the bit about "a blessing unto all nations but only if the speak an old fashioned form of English which is worshipped as an idol in some obscure parts of a foreign land".
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The KJV has been translated into hundreds of languages.
 
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John146

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calibob said:
Yes, but that was when it may have been the best. It's still better than many like the paraphrased "Good News" or the "Living Bibles."
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And esv, NASB, net, niv, nlt, etc.

No other version can compare to the fruit it has produced, not even close.
 
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John146

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Dino246 said:
Ridiculous. The Bible has been translated into hundreds of languages. The KJV is and only ever will be English.
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Not true. The KJV has literally been the source and starting point for hundreds of translations.
 
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John146

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Dino246 said:
Um, no. The Greek and Hebrew are the starting point... always.
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If God highly valued the originals, He would of made sure they were preserved. The Greek and Hebrew manuscripts now available are just copies of copies of copies...

Can a copy be better than the original? Absolutely!
 
calibob

calibob

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Dino246 said:
Ridiculous. The Bible has been translated into hundreds of languages. The KJV is and only ever will be Enlish.
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If it changed from English into something else it's a paraphrased edition. A true translation would need to be from the original languages Before the RCC or emperor Constantine had any influence. Even the Book of Romans was written in Greek, not Latin!
 
calibob

calibob

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John146 said:
If God highly valued the originals, He would of made sure they were preserved. The Greek and Hebrew manuscripts now available are just copies of copies of copies...

Can a copy be better than the original? Absolutely!
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Don't forget 13 Centuries of false dogma! A King James Bible is many but considering the archaic language and incorrect punctuation it's probably a little better than average. That's my best defense of the KJV 1611.
 
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