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I think God knew beforehand that his most beautiful messenger would not be satisfied with the law of God. (pride in heart)
Mankind was brought into a world day 6. The whole creation was corrupted on day four.
Three is a number that is used throughout the bible in various parables to denote the end of the matter. The temporal corruption time keepers (Sun and Moon) were put into place on day four . Previously the first three days the light was the glory of God.
It was the presence of light on earth. Just as it will when the Sun and Moon are cast aside.
When mankind fell what ever kind of body they had previously seemed to loose it glow . Like Moses was when he was in the presence of God who is light. In the twinkling of the eye they shed the righteousness of Christ which they were clothed with. They knew they were naked and tried to cover their nakedness with the things seen the temporal.
Mankind was brought into a world day 6. The whole creation was corrupted on day four.
Three is a number that is used throughout the bible in various parables to denote the end of the matter. The temporal corruption time keepers (Sun and Moon) were put into place on day four . Previously the first three days the light was the glory of God.
It was the presence of light on earth. Just as it will when the Sun and Moon are cast aside.
When mankind fell what ever kind of body they had previously seemed to loose it glow . Like Moses was when he was in the presence of God who is light. In the twinkling of the eye they shed the righteousness of Christ which they were clothed with. They knew they were naked and tried to cover their nakedness with the things seen the temporal.
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That’s not how it works. God gave the sacrificial system to atone for sin, not to Adam and Eve. Believing that you are forgiven removes guilt. Believing that Jesus is the Son of the Most High makes Him a worthy enough Sacrifice for the sins of the world. The greater the sacrifice the more sins it covers. If somebody didn’t care to please the Lord, they wouldn’t care to make any sacrifice. If He is not their Lord, then it doesn’t matter, they are already eternally lost. For those who wish to please Him and be restored He gave this system.
This is what you need to understand. It isn’t blood that atones for sin. It is the faith that the sacrifice atoned for your sin that removes the guilt, which restores you to God. If you don’t have faith that Jesus was the Christ then His blood, to you is insufficient.
We are restored to God to serve God. God created Adam to tend the garden, His garden. Man still needed to serve God. That’s why Cain and Abel were bringing Him food. God walked with men, physically present. There seems to be quite a few pieces in the puzzle missing to get an accurate picture what really happened in the beginning.
This is what you need to understand. It isn’t blood that atones for sin. It is the faith that the sacrifice atoned for your sin that removes the guilt, which restores you to God. If you don’t have faith that Jesus was the Christ then His blood, to you is insufficient.
We are restored to God to serve God. God created Adam to tend the garden, His garden. Man still needed to serve God. That’s why Cain and Abel were bringing Him food. God walked with men, physically present. There seems to be quite a few pieces in the puzzle missing to get an accurate picture what really happened in the beginning.
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Hungary and BillG are at odds with each other, amicably so, well done.
But basically they both agree, animal skins were provided as a cover to the nakedness
in the garden, they now knew evil and lust, so the animals represent the penalty for sin, blood.
But also the animal blood pointed to a better sacrifice, and eternal sacrifice once and for all.
And you all know what I am speaking about the blood shed on the cross by our Lord Jesus.
This is basic Christina teaching, no sin is forgiven without rpentence, and repentence is found
in faith. The Jews of old were nevr saved by the blood of oxen and goats, that was the sign
of a betetr sacrifice. Without repentence of the sin there could be no forgiveness, The atonement
of Christ Jesus on he cross is sufficient to wipe out all sin, we are saved by faith, and HIS rightiousness
is imputed to us by that faith, we are covered by the blood.
Hebrews 10:8 8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
But basically they both agree, animal skins were provided as a cover to the nakedness
in the garden, they now knew evil and lust, so the animals represent the penalty for sin, blood.
But also the animal blood pointed to a better sacrifice, and eternal sacrifice once and for all.
And you all know what I am speaking about the blood shed on the cross by our Lord Jesus.
This is basic Christina teaching, no sin is forgiven without rpentence, and repentence is found
in faith. The Jews of old were nevr saved by the blood of oxen and goats, that was the sign
of a betetr sacrifice. Without repentence of the sin there could be no forgiveness, The atonement
of Christ Jesus on he cross is sufficient to wipe out all sin, we are saved by faith, and HIS rightiousness
is imputed to us by that faith, we are covered by the blood.
Hebrews 10:8 8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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Jamon said
"Hard thing to grasp maybe, the fact satan (Satan) and the falling angels where once holy and dwelled with God
in heaven."
It is clear in the Bible that this is so, the demons and their prince Satan fought a war in heaven and one third fell
they were indeed bright angels made perfect but given free will to fall or endure, they chose to fall. There is no
way back for a fallen angel they are forever cursed. At this time they are chained - limited- and cannot harm the
people of God. Jesus cast out demons, Jesus was tempted by this prince Satan. Satan desires that all should fall.
This is basic Christian teaching in all denominations.
"Hard thing to grasp maybe, the fact satan (Satan) and the falling angels where once holy and dwelled with God
in heaven."
It is clear in the Bible that this is so, the demons and their prince Satan fought a war in heaven and one third fell
they were indeed bright angels made perfect but given free will to fall or endure, they chose to fall. There is no
way back for a fallen angel they are forever cursed. At this time they are chained - limited- and cannot harm the
people of God. Jesus cast out demons, Jesus was tempted by this prince Satan. Satan desires that all should fall.
This is basic Christian teaching in all denominations.
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PS In you post you clearly state that Adam was not holy.
Consider that God made everything and all were good.
dam walked with God naked in the garden, do you think
that an unholy creature could stand before the Lord?
I think Adam wa smade holy, and I think Adam lived a holy life
after the fall, to him was the line to Christ, we are made holy by faith
we are not perfect however, but we are holy in His sight.
Palm 103:12
9He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. 10He hath not dealt with us after our sins;
nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. 11For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy
toward them that fear him. 12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions
from us. 13Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. 14For he knoweth
our frame; he remembereth that we are dust. 15As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field,
so he flourisheth.
There are many verses that show we are made holy by faith in God's eyes.
Consider that God made everything and all were good.
dam walked with God naked in the garden, do you think
that an unholy creature could stand before the Lord?
I think Adam wa smade holy, and I think Adam lived a holy life
after the fall, to him was the line to Christ, we are made holy by faith
we are not perfect however, but we are holy in His sight.
Palm 103:12
9He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. 10He hath not dealt with us after our sins;
nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. 11For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy
toward them that fear him. 12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions
from us. 13Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. 14For he knoweth
our frame; he remembereth that we are dust. 15As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field,
so he flourisheth.
There are many verses that show we are made holy by faith in God's eyes.