One Talent

[DB7]

This is what the Lord gave me a long time ago about this parable. You may not agree and that is ok. Many of the Parables can be related to other stories and happenings in the life of Christ. This particular one is related to the woman at the well. There are many symbols in the Bible and in this case the talent is the symbol of the TRUTH. You have often heard is said how people bury the truth. Well this is where is comes from. In the Book of Isaiah is says that Hail which is also a symbol of the truth sweeps away lies. Isaiah 28:17 17I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the plumb line; hail will sweep away your refuge, the lie, and water will overflow your hiding place. In the Book of Rev it says that the hail weighed a talent. Rev 16:21 KJV"And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.”

Jesus is the TRUTH! He sweeps away all lies. HE is the WORD!

So in this parable HE gives them TRUTH. They are expected to sow it in the hearts of others. In the ground of the hearts of other men. But this one man, keeps it in his own heart. He does not share it. He does not share the TRUTH. It says in the parable, GOD reaps where HE has not sown. HE GAINS THE HEARTS and SOULS OF men BY THE TRUTH, that we plant and that TRUTH is JESUS!
In the story of the woman at the well, JESUS tell the disciples the same thing. In John 4:36-38 KJV "And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. 38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours." Its the very same principle. One is sowing but another is reaping.

The currency of GOD is TRUTH and when that TRUTH gets in the ground of mens hearts and and they don't let fear bury it, it becomes fruitful and multiplies.

All Glory and Honour is Yours Almighty Father through Your Son, JESUS CHRIST!

Everyone, I am very, very sorry for digressing here, but I absolutely despise it when people attempt to qualify their personal beliefs and understandings by claiming that 'the Lord revealed it to me'. I don't mind the Lord revealing anything to anybody, but one must better be 200% sure that it came from the Lord, and not elsewhere. Otherwise, one is verging on blasphemy. Don't ask me how one knows the difference, I imagine there are no hard-fast rules, and it varies depending on the person and the circumstances, but at a minimum, it better have wisdom and ultimately glorify God!
Stained, you said that the Lord revealed this to you, and then you said that it is ok if we choose not to accept it. Why is it ok if we don't accept an (alleged) revelation from the Lord? Are you questioning whether the Lord revealed it to you or not, or are you saying defiance to the Lord is acceptable?

 

[posthuman]

The man who was given one talent dug and buried it
because he said he feared the Lord

what kind of fear?

Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, ​

so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. ​

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is this accurate? is God's character violent and harsh? does God reap where God has not sown? does God gather where He has not scattered seed?
is this the fear of God where wisdom begins or is this calling Him a thief, an unreasonable terror, and evil?
Jesus says he is wicked and slothful.

 

[posthuman]

what kind of fear?

Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, ​

so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. ​

​

is this accurate? is God's character violent and harsh? does God reap where God has not sown? does God gather where He has not scattered seed?
is this the fear of God where wisdom begins or is this calling Him a thief, an unreasonable terror, and evil?
Jesus says he is wicked and slothful.

if this is a wicked, slothful man who accuses God of taking what does not belong to Him -- has this man any faith at all, ever?
what does Jesus say about him?

But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. ​

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that he 'has not' do the monies = faith? then this man never had any. do the monies ≠ faith? then likewise this man was faithless.
i don't think the text supports equating the talents with measures of faith, @ieuan. i agree with what @DB7 said, that as the monies were given according to ability, this ability indicates measures of faith.
can you prove to me otherwise; prove to me that the scripture shows monies = faith ?

 

[posthuman]

A complimentary passage is that of the Sower and the Seed and the same question remains.
Thanks for responding.

IMO the corresponding figure in that parable of to the wicked enemy of the Master is the seed that falls along the path, which is not understood by the hearer, and is eaten by the birds - snatched away out of the heart by the evil one.

 

[posthuman]

It is important to understand that the Lord took the gift away.
The man hid the gift. He did not throw it away.
The Lord Took the Gift. He had the power to give and he had the power to take away
and the man was left worse of than at the beginning.

Maybe I am too soft in my approach, but I dislike people saying to other Christians
that is not true - or you are a liar - or your doctrine is false and hell bound.

I don't like this contentious method of discussion, I prefer you say if you disagree,
I don't see it that way. it is much more convenient, if you don't mind.

So He called ten of His servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ He said, ‘until I come back.’ ​

(Luke 19:13) ​

was the Master giving a 'gift' in the sense of transferring ownership of the minahs/talents/monies?
or was the Master temporarily giving them stewardship over what still belongs to Him?
which view does the scripture actually bear out?
even the wicked servant gave it back to the Master; he didn't claim it was his own to keep - as if it had been a gift.

 

[posthuman]

Maybe I am too soft in my approach, but I dislike people saying to other Christians
that is not true - or you are a liar - or your doctrine is false and hell bound.

I don't like this contentious method of discussion, I prefer you say if you disagree,
I don't see it that way. it is much more convenient, if you don't mind.

personally if i am wrong i prefer people tell me they think so, and then carefully prove it.
it doesn't edify me at all if someone just says 'because i say so' -- i need it demonstrated.
if neither one of us can justify our positions then it's back to studying, to reconvene later when we can give evidence to support what we say.
i certainly don't want to be left to go on walking in darkness, but if you don't bring a light, how does that fix my situation?

 

[StainedbytheSpirit]

Everyone, I am very, very sorry for digressing here, but I absolutely despise it when people attempt to qualify their personal beliefs and understandings by claiming that 'the Lord revealed it to me'. I don't mind the Lord revealing anything to anybody, but one must better be 200% sure that it came from the Lord, and not elsewhere. Otherwise, one is verging on blasphemy. Don't ask me how one knows the difference, I imagine there are no hard-fast rules, and it varies depending on the person and the circumstances, but at a minimum, it better have wisdom and ultimately glorify God!
Stained, you said that the Lord revealed this to you, and then you said that it is ok if we choose not to accept it. Why is it ok if we don't accept an (alleged) revelation from the Lord? Are you questioning whether the Lord revealed it to you or not, or are you saying defiance to the Lord is acceptable?

I will answer you this. When I first began my walk with the LORD I would read many verses and I would not get much from them. I would ask the Holy Spirit to help me understand what I was reading. I may read a Bible verse or parable and get something from it that someone else may not. They may get something else very different. That does not mean that it is any less true or any less from the LORD. But I can assure you there will come a time when what the LORD has shown you or another person, if it is true and lines up with SCRIPTURE will speak in some way or another.

 

[ArtsieSteph]

Hm...I’m guessing when it refers to fear, it means like petrified fear. The person buried their faith and didn’t grow it or share it; didn't take any chances whatsoever to share the gospel. They focused on themselves I guess? On their own salvation and nothing more, just a “get saved from hell” card only? I’m guessing???

 

[DB7]

I will answer you this. When I first began my walk with the LORD I would read many verses and I would not get much from them. I would ask the Holy Spirit to help me understand what I was reading. I may read a Bible verse or parable and get something from it that someone else may not. They may get something else very different. That does not mean that it is any less true or any less from the LORD. But I can assure you there will come a time when what the LORD has shown you or another person, if it is true and lines up with SCRIPTURE will speak in some way or another.

Stained, you cannot have varying views on what the Bible says, all claiming to be the Word of God. This is why there are so many denominations and heresies out there. How many false prophets have you heard say 'the Lord told me so' (Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Osteen, Dupuis, etc...), and expression so indicative of false prophets and teachers. It has come to the point that the minute I hear anyone say that nowadays, I know for sure that their wrong about their interpretation. And quite frankly, I personally feel that your interpretation is quite outrageous, in that it was so vague, ambiguous and generalized that almost every single parobole or expression from Jesus can have the allusion that you gave it. You really did not give that pericope an exclusive meaning which it deserves, at least on some level.
In short, when people get diverging views on what scripture is saying, it means either one is wrong, and the other is right, or their both wrong. One can add to another view that compliments the first, but two cannot have unrelated views and claim that they are both rightly dividing the Word of God.

I don't mind people offering their views Stained, but my only contention here is that you claimed that your views were inspired by the Lord, ...extremely precarious. ...especially when yours is just ok in this case, nothing even close to profound, and personally, i think too simple to even be accurate. As a personal inspiration, it's a satisfactory way of regarding the passage, but i don't think that that was the intent of the parobole, for what is the anology of one given more truth than another?

 

[TLC209]

I can appreciate your desire to clarify. Often, a third party can see both sides of a position and "translate" between them.

In this case, the other party is a parrot for Jimmy Swaggart who rarely expresses his own thoughts. The material he posts is rife with idolatry. He is extremely closed-minded, does not discuss his posts without anathematizing any who disagree with him, and generally is little more than a clanging cymbal. He has me on Ignore, so he won't see my challenge at all, let alone respond to it.

Lol a parrot for Jimmy Swaggart. Thats a good one. If he has you on ignore I wonder how much tension and division must exist between you two.

 

[Dino246]

Lol a parrot for Jimmy Swaggart. Thats a good one. If he has you on ignore I wonder how much tension and division must exist between you two.

Unfortunately, some people are snowflakes.

 

[StainedbytheSpirit]

Stained, you cannot have varying views on what the Bible says, all claiming to be the Word of God. This is why there are so many denominations and heresies out there. How many false prophets have you heard say 'the Lord told me so' (Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Osteen, Dupuis, etc...), and expression so indicative of false prophets and teachers. It has come to the point that the minute I hear anyone say that nowadays, I know for sure that their wrong about their interpretation. And quite frankly, I personally feel that your interpretation is quite outrageous, in that it was so vague, ambiguous and generalized that almost every single parobole or expression from Jesus can have the allusion that you gave it. You really did not give that pericope an exclusive meaning which it deserves, at least on some level.
In short, when people get diverging views on what scripture is saying, it means either one is wrong, and the other is right, or their both wrong. One can add to another view that compliments the first, but two cannot have unrelated views and claim that they are both rightly dividing the Word of God.

I don't mind people offering their views Stained, but my only contention here is that you claimed that your views were inspired by the Lord, ...extremely precarious. ...especially when yours is just ok in this case, nothing even close to profound, and personally, i think too simple to even be accurate. As a personal inspiration, it's a satisfactory way of regarding the passage, but i don't think that that was the intent of the parobole, for what is the anology of one given more truth than another?

Does everything, every revelation and understanding always have to be a complicated thing. I have stated what I was given, as simple as it may be. Anyone who even claims that the LORD is LORD must be given a revelation to claim that from the HOLY SPIRIT. That is from the WORD. And though it may deserve a more extensive and in-depth meaning and explanation as you say, what I have given, I have given. I make no apologies for being simplistic in my interpretation and understanding. It is line upon line, precept upon precept. I am learning every day and I thank GOD for that!

You have every right to your views and to give the explanations you feel are relevant and applicable.

With the Grace of GOD I will do the same.

 

[TLC209]

This is what the Lord gave me a long time ago about this parable. You may not agree and that is ok. Many of the Parables can be related to other stories and happenings in the life of Christ. This particular one is related to the woman at the well. There are many symbols in the Bible and in this case the talent is the symbol of the TRUTH. You have often heard is said how people bury the truth. Well this is where is comes from. In the Book of Isaiah is says that Hail which is also a symbol of the truth sweeps away lies. Isaiah 28:17 17I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the plumb line; hail will sweep away your refuge, the lie, and water will overflow your hiding place. In the Book of Rev it says that the hail weighed a talent. Rev 16:21 KJV"And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.”

Jesus is the TRUTH! He sweeps away all lies. HE is the WORD!

So in this parable HE gives them TRUTH. They are expected to sow it in the hearts of others. In the ground of the hearts of other men. But this one man, keeps it in his own heart. He does not share it. He does not share the TRUTH. It says in the parable, GOD reaps where HE has not sown. HE GAINS THE HEARTS and SOULS OF men BY THE TRUTH, that we plant and that TRUTH is JESUS!
In the story of the woman at the well, JESUS tell the disciples the same thing. In John 4:36-38 KJV "And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. 38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours." Its the very same principle. One is sowing but another is reaping.

The currency of GOD is TRUTH and when that TRUTH gets in the ground of mens hearts and and they don't let fear bury it, it becomes fruitful and multiplies.

All Glory and Honour is Yours Almighty Father through Your Son, JESUS CHRIST!

That is amazing! All Glory to God the Father and Our Lord Jesus Christ!! Thank you for sharing such a beautiful truth! I see it so clearly now. Very eye opening! Im gonna share with all the brothers. God bless you.

 

[Dino246]

Does everything, every revelation and understanding always have to be a complicated thing. I have stated what I was given, as simple as it may be. Anyone who even claims that the LORD is LORD must be given a revelation to claim that from the HOLY SPIRIT. That is from the WORD. And though it may deserve a more extensive and in-depth meaning and explanation as you say, what I have given, I have given. I make no apologies for being simplistic in my interpretation and understanding. It is line upon line, precept upon precept. I am learning every day and I thank GOD for that!

You have every right to your views and to give the explanations you feel are relevant and applicable.

With the Grace of GOD I will do the same.

I'll offer a word of caution:

Even when you ask the Holy Spirit for help with understanding a passage, that is no guarantee that the ideas popping into your head are from Him. We are very capable of both creativity and self-deception, and there are other sources of thoughts. You mentioned that you were a newish Christian when this occurred; that's a great reason to hold the ideas lightly.

 

[StainedbytheSpirit]

I'll offer a word of caution:

Even when you ask the Holy Spirit for help with understanding a passage, that is no guarantee that the ideas popping into your head are from Him. We are very capable of both creativity and self-deception, and there are other sources of thoughts. You mentioned that you were a newish Christian when this occurred; that's a great reason to hold the ideas lightly.

I agree with you 100 percent! And this is why I gave the Scriptures about the talents to begin with. I realize the devil and my flesh, would just love to twist and manipulate every thing. I am not above being reproved either. But you know what I do have a problem with? Instead of being able to have an adult conversation about what I had written, it immediately moved into, not a good discussion, but something else. And you know frankly, I did not come here for this at all. Thank you for your advice and for taking the time to reply. GOD BLESS

 

[breno785au]

This is why Jesus said in Matthew 7:14, that most people will go to hell. Only a remnant of the Church will be saved.

If that were even remotely true then most of us are hell bound including yourself.

 

[DB7]

I agree with you 100 percent! And this is why I gave the Scriptures about the talents to begin with. I realize the devil and my flesh, would just love to twist and manipulate every thing. I am not above being reproved either. But you know what I do have a problem with? Instead of being able to have an adult conversation about what I had written, it immediately moved into, not a good discussion, but something else. And you know frankly, I did not come here for this at all. Thank you for your advice and for taking the time to reply. GOD BLESS

ok Stained, i share Dino246's sentiment, be extremely cautious, for again, if you are wrong about your source of inspiration, the repercussions are not trivial i.e, claiming something came from God when it came from elsewhere is extremely egregious, as there are only 2 sources of inspiration.
Please excuse the unmitigating nature and harshness of my speech, but please appreciate why I take this serious.
Thanks!

 

[dcontroversal]

The man who was given one talent dug and buried it
because he said he feared the Lord
The one talent was taken from him
and represented faith,
why was faith taken from him
and he left worse of before he had been given it.
If he was left with no faith then hell is his destination at death.

Where does it say the talent was faith? Direct quote it!

 

[dcontroversal]

This is not true. Only a remnant of the world will be saved; that part that is the Church.

Amen....I ignore his drivel......!

 

[ArtsieSteph]

Oh and I have heard of the talents being literal talents too: talents that God has given us to be able to spread the gospel. But we don’t let Him use them, hence the burying.