SHOULD WE CHECK OUR DENOMINATIONS FOR TRUTH?

[Whispered]

But that is not judging others, it is judging what is right and wrong in God's eyes. That is the study I am doing, but I deal only with the words of the Lord not with people.

It is people that commit either right or wrong in God's eyes.

 

[Whispered]

And this is relevant how exactly? The old is still obsolete.


As I didn't say that "God created something that wipes out the old before it," your point is moot. "Wipes out" are your words, not mine.

No, your word was, "obsolete". What "old" are you referring to when you say, "The old is still obsolete." ?

 

[Dino246]

No, your word was, "obsolete". What "old" are you referring to when you say, "The old is still obsolete." ?

The old covenant. See Hebrews 8:13.

 

[Whispered]

“ For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. .” The Book of Matthew chapter 5:18-19​

“But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tittle of the law to fall. ” The Book of Luke chapter 16:17​

 

[Whispered]

The old covenant. See Hebrews 8:13.

And what was contained in the Old Covenant that was then made obsolete by the New?

 

[Blik]

And this is relevant how exactly? The old is still obsolete.


As I didn't say that "God created something that wipes out the old before it," your point is moot. "Wipes out" are your words, not mine.

And you still aren't understanding what the Lord is telling you in this verse.

You have the knowledge that the English of our scripture is a translation. Why don't you, then, go to what the original tells you if you aren't comprehending the English translation. It can be misleading.

 

[Blik]

“ For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. .” The Book of Matthew chapter 5:18-19​

“But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tittle of the law to fall. ” The Book of Luke chapter 16:17​

Right on brother. We are made righteous thru what the Lord did for us, we are made dead to sin. Through Christ we live in His righteousness. The law is our teacher.

 

[Dino246]

And you still aren't understanding what the Lord is telling you in this verse.

You have the knowledge that the English of our scripture is a translation. Why don't you, then, go to what the original tells you if you aren't comprehending the English translation. It can be misleading.

I am comprehending the English translation. The old covenant has been made obsolete. It isn't a difficult concept.

 

[Dino246]

And what was contained in the Old Covenant that was then made obsolete by the New?

I don't believe you're asking to learn, so you tell me.

 

[Blik]

I am comprehending the English translation. The old covenant has been made obsolete. It isn't a difficult concept.

It wasn't 'made" obsolete, it became obsolete. If you will apply your knowledge of the Holiness of God to your thinking of this it would come to you what God means for you to know. God was holy when he created the old covenant, God is holy when the old covenant became obsolete.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It wasn't 'made" obsolete, it became obsolete.

The Bible says that the Old Covenant was MADE obsolete by God. It was a deliberate act of Christ which made it obsolete. Please note CAREFULLY:

In that He [GOD] saith, A new covenant, He [GOD] hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (Heb 8:13)

Since you are so obsessed with the Old Covenant, have you ever sat down with your Bible to see how the Lord Jesus Christ MADE the Old Covenant obsolete? *It became* is neutral and minimizes the finished work of Christ.

 

[Dino246]

It wasn't 'made" obsolete, it became obsolete. If you will apply your knowledge of the Holiness of God to your thinking of this it would come to you what God means for you to know. God was holy when he created the old covenant, God is holy when the old covenant became obsolete.

Either way, it's still obsolete, and you're still fighting that.

 

[garee]

Maybe consider this. If we are not to judge others what then does this mean? The Book of Ephesians chapter 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them."

I would offer. It means we are to expose them to the truth. Not judge them by it. Which I do not think was your intention to judge. We can plant the incorruptible seed and water it with the doctrines of God. But only he can cause growth if any.

Only God can see into the hearts of all men and move them according to His will. The letter of the law as that which kills is disappearing as the law of faith (the unseen to the unseen.. . . .faith to faith ) as the power of the gospel. . keeps bringing new fruit.

Together working creating one perfect law . The letter will serve its purpose right up till the last day. And death the letter of the law will be cast into the fire of judgement never to rise and condemn another creation for ever and ever more. Until then not one jot or tittle can be removed .

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.Romans1:

Two laws making one new law. Apart from each other they do nothing.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? (that leads to death ?) Nay: but by the law of faith.(it leads to life )

 

[garee]

Either way, it's still obsolete, and you're still fighting that.

Becoming obsolete. . . Its not the last day or so far anyway. The wrath of God is still being revealed from heaven, under the Sun.

 

[Dino246]

I would offer. It means we are to expose them to the truth. Not judge them by it.

That's not what the verse says. The grammar requires that what we are to expose (uncover, bring to light) is the deeds of darkness.

 

[Dino246]

Becoming obsolete. . . Its not the last day or so far anyway. The wrath of God is still being revealed from heaven, under the Sun.

Irrelevant. Please read the conversation thread before replying. The old covenant is obsolete.

 

[Blik]

Either way, it's still obsolete, and you're still fighting that.

It is obsolete ONLY by what the new is doing for us. In English, new means to create something that has never been created before. In Greek that word would be neos. The Greek for this covenant is kainen, something new and fresh that builds from the old. This covenant is kainen.

The new covenant is NOT something that wipes out all covenants that came before. It is something that makes some covenants obsolete, very different from being destroyed.

God is an eternal God, a Holy God and what He has done or is doing is Holy and eternal. You are saying that is not so, as the old covenants are wiped out. If they were holy created as holy acts by a holy God. The old covenant has not been wiped out by the Lord as a destructive act of the Lord and the new covenant has a relationship to the old. God created the earth and us, that is still so. God is the ruler of the universe and His ways are still told to us in the Torah. Nothing has been destroyed.by the new covenant. Nothing.

 

[Dino246]

It is obsolete ONLY by what the new is doing for us.

Yes... the old covenant is obsolete.

In English, new means to create something that has never been created before. In Greek that word would be neos. The Greek for this covenant is kainen, something new and fresh that builds from the old. This covenant is kainen.

None of this changes the fact that the old covenant is obsolete.

The new covenant is NOT something that wipes out all covenants that came before.

I haven't claimed that it "wipes out" anything. Those are your words. I haven't claimed that the new makes obsolete all covenants that came before.

It is something that makes some covenants obsolete, very different from being destroyed.

It makes the old covenant (singular) obsolete.

"Destroyed" is your word, not mine.

God is an eternal God, a Holy God and what He has done or is doing is Holy and eternal.

Things that God does are not eternal, because they have a beginning and most have an ending. One is now obsolete.

You are saying that is not so, as the old covenants are wiped out.

"Wiped out" are your words, not mine. You really seem to be struggling with this.

If they were holy created as holy acts by a holy God. The old covenant has not been wiped out by the Lord as a destructive act of the Lord and the new covenant has a relationship to the old.

Yes, both are of God. The old is obsolete.

God created the earth and us, that is still so. God is the ruler of the universe and His ways are still told to us in the Torah.

None of this is relevant to the fact that the old covenant is obsolete.

Nothing has been destroyed.by the new covenant. Nothing.

You can reword your statement a thousand different ways, and the old covenant will still be obsolete.

 

[ieuan]

An early Christian reference was of Pomponia Graecina, the wife of Aulus Plautius who was accused of following a foreign superstition. She was tried by her husband in front of the family, as was the tradition of high ranking Romans, and found innocent.
This was in 57 AD.
The foreign superstition is surmised and supported by 3rd century inscriptions commemorating the gens Pomponius.
(Furneuax, Tacitus am. ad. loc.)
Henry Bettenson, Documents of the Christian Church, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1963

 

[Blik]

I haven't claimed that it "wipes out" anything. Those are your words. .

Then you need to read your posts. And make clear your opinion of state status of the old covenant and what that covenant is.