Is God A Moral Monster?
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The answer is in scripture. They were following a false god:
Neh 9:15-17 KJV
And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promised them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
(16) But they and our fathers dealt proudly, and hardened their necks, and hearkened not to thy commandments,
(17) And refused to obey, neither were mindful of thy wonders that thou didst among them; but hardened their necks, and in their rebellion appointed a captain to return to their bondage: but thou art a God ready to pardon, gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and forsook them not.
The last sentence underlined is my God - the "I AM".
Neh 9:15-17 KJV
And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promised them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
(16) But they and our fathers dealt proudly, and hardened their necks, and hearkened not to thy commandments,
(17) And refused to obey, neither were mindful of thy wonders that thou didst among them; but hardened their necks, and in their rebellion appointed a captain to return to their bondage: but thou art a God ready to pardon, gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and forsook them not.
The last sentence underlined is my God - the "I AM".
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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
This includes the parameters of what is good and what is evil.
God knowing the end from the beginning has set his sites on purpose rather than quality of life.
As a righteous and holy king he becomes what we have made him. A loving father that has no end to his kindness and mercy or a fierce warrior able to take down any strong hold.
The examples he has given should leave us in awe as we go through the old and new testament.
From the examples that the o.p has given to the book of acts where sudden death occurs on two that lie about their giving.
The 70 a.d destruction of the temple and of course what is to come as written in the revelation of his son our savior.
The question remains "Is anything to hard for the Lord".
Are we to question what is holy and righteous from the one who is? Who are we to council the Lord?
It would seem to us an unspeakable act to include women and children "innocence"in the destruction of a Nation.
But just the same this unspeakable act had to be carried out according to the word, wisdom, and for knowledge of God.
Let us always remember the Lord has no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked.
This includes the parameters of what is good and what is evil.
God knowing the end from the beginning has set his sites on purpose rather than quality of life.
As a righteous and holy king he becomes what we have made him. A loving father that has no end to his kindness and mercy or a fierce warrior able to take down any strong hold.
The examples he has given should leave us in awe as we go through the old and new testament.
From the examples that the o.p has given to the book of acts where sudden death occurs on two that lie about their giving.
The 70 a.d destruction of the temple and of course what is to come as written in the revelation of his son our savior.
The question remains "Is anything to hard for the Lord".
Are we to question what is holy and righteous from the one who is? Who are we to council the Lord?
It would seem to us an unspeakable act to include women and children "innocence"in the destruction of a Nation.
But just the same this unspeakable act had to be carried out according to the word, wisdom, and for knowledge of God.
Let us always remember the Lord has no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked.
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They were a rebellious people. Often they turned away from God : -
Neh 9:26-29 CEV
(26) In spite of this, they rebelled and disobeyed your laws. They killed your prophets, who warned them to turn back to you, and they cursed your name.
(27) So you handed them over to their enemies, who treated them terribly. But in their sufferings, they begged you to help. From heaven you listened to their prayers and because of your great mercy, you sent leaders to rescue them.
(28) But when they were at peace, they would turn against you, and you would hand them over to their enemies. Then they would beg for help, and because you are merciful, you rescued them over and over again.
(29) You warned them to turn back and discover true life by obeying your laws. But they stubbornly refused and continued to sin.
Neh 9:26-29 CEV
(26) In spite of this, they rebelled and disobeyed your laws. They killed your prophets, who warned them to turn back to you, and they cursed your name.
(27) So you handed them over to their enemies, who treated them terribly. But in their sufferings, they begged you to help. From heaven you listened to their prayers and because of your great mercy, you sent leaders to rescue them.
(28) But when they were at peace, they would turn against you, and you would hand them over to their enemies. Then they would beg for help, and because you are merciful, you rescued them over and over again.
(29) You warned them to turn back and discover true life by obeying your laws. But they stubbornly refused and continued to sin.
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This garbage argument again. The commandments were to ISRAEL, God's covenant people and SURPRISE, God didnt care much for the edomites, amalakites and the like. They had sinned against Him for centuries and their time was up, and God let Israel take the land He promised them. Dont like it? Boo hoo, stop faking the funk. Stop pretending to be a Christian when you're not. No true Christian casts such doubt on the word as you are doing.
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Yeah, obviously - there was God Himself in the pillar of cloud and fire, and on the mountain in thundering and smoke, and they were down there in full view of it all, worshiping the child-sacrificing destetable idol Molech with their golden calf. Probably raping and murdering babies is the noise that they heard 'like the sound of war'
is it evil for God to purge the wickedness from His people? To remove the impurities from His clay?
is it evil for God to purge the wickedness from His people? To remove the impurities from His clay?
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all you are doing is inventing a god in your mind. creating god in your image. i can also imagine a god, everyone is saved and they dont even need to repent and believe or do anything, they can be just as evil as they want and they will go to heaven. because come on dude Jesus is loving right. so thats why everyone is already saved. the bible? whats that? i feel like my doctrine is ok so its from God. im in my feelings about this
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Yeah. Its NEW COVENANT we got going on today. The Christ already came......... GET WITH THE PROGRAM. Its the same God from CREATION to Noah, to Abraham, to Moses, to Jesus, to Paul, to Revelation to eternity.
You guys whining about the OT have never read the book of Revelation have you? It includes like every plague in the OT pretty much. SAME GIMMICK again in the future.
You guys whining about the OT have never read the book of Revelation have you? It includes like every plague in the OT pretty much. SAME GIMMICK again in the future.
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You are an absolute spiritual BUM let me tell you that right now. How many gods do you believe in? Yahweh is a different God from the I AM? DESPITE the context stating its YAHWEH speaking there? Man you know absolutely nothing about anything. Either you are just extremely dishonest in your posts about Yahweh or you are just dumb as a brick, take your pick.
Allow me to demonstrate to everyone how this guy is leading you astray:
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
The words that I have highlighted, one of them is your pet text: I AM THAT I AM, spoken to Moses, the true God right? Are we to expect that in the NEXT VERSE its a false god again where it says the LORD (Yahweh) God of your fathers? The word that I highlighted again there in yellowish is LORD a.k.a YAHWEH in the hebrew.
H3068 in Strongs if you dont believe me. Shut it down you've already been exposed. I hope nobody is buying your snake oil and following your path to damnation. I dont care what anyone says, you cant call GOD the devil or "god of the Pharisees" and be saved. NO WAY !
Allow me to demonstrate to everyone how this guy is leading you astray:
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
The words that I have highlighted, one of them is your pet text: I AM THAT I AM, spoken to Moses, the true God right? Are we to expect that in the NEXT VERSE its a false god again where it says the LORD (Yahweh) God of your fathers? The word that I highlighted again there in yellowish is LORD a.k.a YAHWEH in the hebrew.
H3068 in Strongs if you dont believe me. Shut it down you've already been exposed. I hope nobody is buying your snake oil and following your path to damnation. I dont care what anyone says, you cant call GOD the devil or "god of the Pharisees" and be saved. NO WAY !
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The true God said:
For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. (Hosea 6:6)
“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats. (Isaiah 1:11)
Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)
Who were the Israelites sacrificing to? This is paganism.
For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings. (Hosea 6:6)
“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats. (Isaiah 1:11)
Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)
Who were the Israelites sacrificing to? This is paganism.
I think people don't understand that Gods Love also separates Good from Evil and punishes the Evil.
Instead of telling God that He's not God because He punishes Evil, people should understand that Evil will be punished, and be thankful for it because it is part of our own protection.
I don't understand the thought that God is a "moral" monster because He punishes Evil. I think it just shows the total depravity of people. "Its wrong to punish evil because we are evil..." No, its not wrong. It is just. And that is why we need a Saviour.
Instead of telling God that He's not God because He punishes Evil, people should understand that Evil will be punished, and be thankful for it because it is part of our own protection.
I don't understand the thought that God is a "moral" monster because He punishes Evil. I think it just shows the total depravity of people. "Its wrong to punish evil because we are evil..." No, its not wrong. It is just. And that is why we need a Saviour.
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The Israelites were trying to follow the Way of God.
But they got mixed up with what was Important and what wasn't.
They Sacrificed to God because it was a foreshadow of Christ. But they didn't have this in mind while they were sacrificing. They didn't know. And this is why God didn't delight in it.
It is more a description of the coming of Christianity and the ending of Judaism than a description of paganism.
But they got mixed up with what was Important and what wasn't.
They Sacrificed to God because it was a foreshadow of Christ. But they didn't have this in mind while they were sacrificing. They didn't know. And this is why God didn't delight in it.
It is more a description of the coming of Christianity and the ending of Judaism than a description of paganism.
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