Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[NayborBear]

now, let's remember, this started yesterday when you quoted Psalms 103, which mentions the Covenant. I pointed out, based on Leviticus 26, whom specifically that Covenant was made with.

instead of addressing this, you accused me of not posting Scripture, not understanding Scripture, then went to pics of ostriches , now on to pagan kings.

which, by the way, I agree with what you said about the pagan kings, but what pray tell does that have to do with the Old Covenant and whom God said it was made with.

seems you are sprinting farther and farther away from addressing this.

why???

I did "address" this.
I cannot make you understand that that which is flesh, can only "see" that which flesh eyes can see.
Jesus said it better then I did.
"That which is flesh?" Is "flesh."
"That which is"Spirit?" Is "Spirit."

Just because I cannot give you the answer you wanna hear? And shall accept no "other" answer, save the answer you want? (which, coincidentally, PO'd the scribes and pharasees, when interrogating Jesus)
Is in no wise sprinting away!

 

[gb9]

I know it isn't funny, but it made me laugh for a second. I think we may need to be looking at ourselves and our responsibilities as far as "depth". As long as the knowledge being taught is truth, isn't the forward progress up to Grace, yes? To be made responsible for Truth known but not understood may be far worse than the never knowing at all, what do you think? I guess it is a matter to be pondered for me at least. A "seed" has been planted. Do we push? How far to go without causing damage? We are here so that "in the end not a soul is lost". That is the goal, right? That is Gods Plan, our plan.

truth? truth?

I have been hammering Leviticus 26 at you judeaizers for weeks, you won't touch it, none of you will, not to mention the Mount of Transfiguration experience, and you mention truth.......

 

[gb9]

I did "address" this.
I cannot make you understand that that which is flesh, can only "see" that which flesh eyes can see.
Jesus said it better then I did.
"That which is flesh?" Is "flesh."
"That which is"Spirit?" Is "Spirit."

Just because I cannot give you the answer you wanna hear? And shall accept no "other" answer, save the answer you want? (which, coincidentally, PO'd the scribes and pharasees, when interrogating Jesus)
Is in no wise sprinting away!

o.k.

guess i'll have to work on my eye sight, I see no such thing being addressed.

but, what do I expect from a guy who is bent because 1st Enoch is not in the Bible....

and, this for others to see what is going on.

I know you have 0 interest in truth, just pushing Hebrew roots garbage.

Leviticus 26 says what it says. I am not going to rip it out of my Bible to make a man-made opinion based theology work...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

GOD KNOWS WE will transgress the law. HE TOLD US WE WOULD transgress the law. He told us we were sinners. Sinners are sinners because they transgress the law. EVERYONE WHO sins transgresses THE WHOLE LAW. Every sin is a transgression of the WHOLE Law. If you keep the commandments, you will still find yourself as one who has transgress the whole law. If you say you don't keep the commandments you transgress the whole law. If you say you walk in love and the spirit guides you BREAK THE WHOLE LAW.


SO in summary EVERY SINGLE SIN IS A SIN AGAINST THE WHOLE LAW. Every person sins. EVERY PERSON IS GUILTY OF SIN.

thank you for finally admitting you do not keep the Ten Commandments.

AND every single person is UNDER GRACE. Follow the law, don't follow the law, we are not judged by the Law, the Law for judgment has been done away with. It doesn't matter if someone else wants to put you back under that law or not IT CAN'T BE DONE, IT HAS BEEN rendered OBSOLETE.

IF you love me keep my commandments. SINCE GOD KNOWS WE ARE SINNERS, He knows we will NOT KEEP THEM PERFECTLY AND WE WILL transgress the whole law.

Does that mean the GOD SHOULD LOWER HIS STANDARDS TO OUR LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE? NOPE, so we best try to raise ourselves up to His (with the Holy Spirit as a guide and comforter)

Does God expect us to attain HIS STANDARDS? If He thought just one of us could HE WOULD NOT HAVE COME HIMSELF. SO absolutely God KNOWS we can not. Does He punish us for this? No, He lightened the Yoke for us instead.

What can HE POSSIBLY MEAN "If you love me, keep my commandments" I think He means "if we love Him we should try to keep His commandments".

god does not water his law down, people who claim they keep it and tell others they need to keep it do,

what does he mean,it is in the sentence

love,

love does not disobay, love serves, love does (Works) and love does not break commands

it is by love, NOT BY FOLLOWING the law, that we empowered to obey. not a law we can not follow to begin with, it was not made for that purpose

thats what people have been trying to show you for months now.

He afforded us ONE SOLUTION. God has given us the ONE AND ONLY SOLUTION and that solution is not to "don't" But to REPENT. The Blood of the Lamb provides forgiveness for the sin we are 100% going to commit. There can be no other way. Keep them, sin, repent, forgiveness, Keep them, sin, repent, forgiveness, Keep them ……..Keep them for as long as you can, make them near and dear to you because when you transgress sinner, you are breaking the whole law, so try your hardest, but He knows it is tooo hard so we are told to repent which will bring forgiveness, setting you right back perfect with God, and soon you will find you are keeping them, not through much thought but because that is who you are. You make sure when you Go teach preach and baptize, you teach them down to the least of them and teach them to keep them.

IS THERE any way possible God would not want us to keep His commandments??? I think He what He wants us to do is what " He has written".


TO HOLD US TO THAT STANDARD, We receive FORGIVENESS. THAT FORGIVENESS IS 7 X 70 times a day WE CAN BREAK THE WHOLE LAW AND STILL BE FORGIVEN WASHED CLEAN, and go on about doing His business.


If at first you don't succeed, TRY TRY AGAIN. That is the only way to BECOME DISCIPLINED IN HIS WAYS, not ours. That is the only way to become disciplined IN ANYTHING. IF WE LOVE HIM WE WILL DO IT HIS WAY. If you love me KEEP my commandments. iF IT WASN'T what He wanted us to do, HE WOULDN'T have said it
If sinning wasn't a big deal, it wouldn't be considered a breaking of them all.

Do you think that the Holy Spirit will keep you on the right path IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT The Word tells you the RIGHT path is?? NO, it has been proven 100% of the time for the past 2000yrs that even with the help of the Comforter, no one stays on the right path 100% of the time.

If the Holy Spirit made anyone, the Holy Spirit would make EVERYONE.

I have been told My STATEMENT is in conflict. WELL, it isn't to me. But we are all entitled to our own opinion. Believe what you will, we will all stand before God and become vessels of honor, or vessels of dishonor.

I say it again now. I have a pool. I keep it full. Yet water evaporates from it making it "not full" yet when someone asks me "do you keep your pool full, I always answer Yes I do. I guess I am a glass half full kind of person.

and here once again you prove you have utterly no idea about what people are saying

i guess hitting a brick wall is your only option, the question is, how many times will you hit the brick wall before you finally realize your arguing against yourself, because you are not listening with understanding to those who are trying to discuss with you are truely saying

 

[wokinluv]

I believe we are in the last days. As people all over the world are turning away from God and turning towards self. As scripture says, the love has grown cold, and because of this. True believers in God are growing less and less.

Of Course satans grip is still being restrained. We have not yet seen what will be when satan is set free with no restraining. It will be a day (time) of great fear and great destruction.

Anyway, If you want to talk about the tribulation period. Please lets go to a different thread.

This thread is about are the children of God supposed to still keep the law of Moses.

Also. The post you responded to. This pAs sage of scripture has no bearing on a thing I said. As usual. You seem to not be able to respond to any post i are. So you post scripture. And your birdies show love by liking your posts. I guess i that makes you all feel good about yourselves so be it.

Would you like to respond to my post? Or continue to deny anything I said? Because you will fight OSAS with all your being. so will never hear a word we say?

"You seem to not be able to respond to any post i are. So you post scripture."

You seem to be talking to yourself in a mirror. I have asked you a lot of questions you just ignored yet i did not complain or grumble. I'll give you a response you would surely agree with...

"WHATEVER"

Whatever

Your trying o tell me I need to do those things and I need to believe them,

I DO!!

Thats your issue YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM SAYING.

Here is the fact

SHE said she obeys the ten commands

YET then SHE says she still sins, and does not always keep them

THOSE ARE CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS

I am Not, nor have I EVER said it us ok to sin, We do not have to be obedient, we can sit on our shins and slack all we want. We do not need to grow.

Those are your lies against me, not my words. ,

Yet, here was have people saying they do obey the ten, yet say they DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY according to GODS STANDARD (break one your guilty of all)

who here is excusing sin?

Not me my friend.

Just a clarification.

Do you not say that no one can keep the law? Does that promote obedience to God? Does your faith uphold/establish the law by saying that faith alone saves? Is it not written that even if you have a faith that could move mountains but have no love, you are nothing? Is it not written that love is to walk in obedience to God and that if you love Him, you have to obey His commands and WALK in love?

Do you love Him? Then do what He says.

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46

What did Jesus say?

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Matthew 19:17-19

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Matthew 19:26

and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:20

Are we to walk as Jesus did? Can we?

During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. Hebrews 5:7-9

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 1 Peter 2:21

I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
John 14:12

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
Romans 2:14-15

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on/in their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in LOVE.

GOD IS good and His LOVE endures forever. Amen.

1st thing that would help you is to understand what I have been saying, this post just proves you are still out in left field as to understanding what i is I was trying to show my sister.

Also, since non of you hav any grasp of my argument, You keep making the same old slanderous mistakes.

SINCE I am NOT speaking AGAINST obedience, Or saying we are not to walk in obedience

this is just one more slanderous post coming from people who are too proud to sit for on second and even TRY to understand what others are saying

Do I need to send you to be with Naylor bear?

or are you willing to actually sit and discuss what it is I am saying?

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. John 7:18

If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. James 1:19-21

 

[wokinluv]

What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— Romans 9:22-23

But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life. 1 Timothy 1:16

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:15-16

Whatever

Your trying o tell me I need to do those things and I need to believe them,

I DO!!

Thats your issue YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM SAYING.

Here is the fact

SHE said she obeys the ten commands

YET then SHE says she still sins, and does not always keep them

THOSE ARE CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS

I am Not, nor have I EVER said it us ok to sin, We do not have to be obedient, we can sit on our shins and slack all we want. We do not need to grow.

Those are your lies against me, not my words. ,

Yet, here was have people saying they do obey the ten, yet say they DO NOT HAVE TO OBEY according to GODS STANDARD (break one your guilty of all)

who here is excusing sin?

Not me my friend.

 

[DeighAnn]

God the Father, same today, yesterday and always. We know He is love and righteous. He has a plan. Obedience is not an option for anyone looking to please Him.

Ezekiel 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

Ezekiel 2:1 And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

Ezekiel 2:2 And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.

Ezekiel 2:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day.

Ezekiel 2:4 For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 2:5 And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them

Ezekiel 2:6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

Ezekiel 2:7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear for they are most rebellious.

Ezekiel 2:8 But thou, son of man, hear what I say unto thee; Be not thou rebellious like that rebellious house open thy mouth, and eat that I give thee.

Ezekiel 2:9 And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein

Ezekiel 2:10 And he spread it before me and it was written within and without and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe.

Ezekiel 3:1 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel.

Ezekiel 3:2 So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.

Ezekiel 3:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.

Ezekiel 3:4 And he said unto me, Son of man, go, get thee unto the house of Israel, and speak with my words unto them.

Ezekiel 3:5 For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel

Ezekiel 3:6 Not to many people of a strange speech and of an hard language, whose words thou canst not understand. Surely, had I sent thee to them, they would have hearkened unto thee.

Ezekiel 3:7 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee for they will not hearken unto me for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

Ezekiel 3:8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.

Ezekiel 3:9 As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

Ezekiel 3:10 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears.

Ezekiel 3:11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.

Ezekiel 3:12 Then the spirit took me up, and I heard behind me a voice of a great rushing, saying, Blessed be the glory of the LORD from this place.

Ezekiel 3:13 I heard also the noise of the wings of the living creatures that touched one another, and the noise of the wheels over against them, and a noise of a great rushing.

Ezekiel 3:14 So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit but the hand of the LORD was strong upon me.

Ezekiel 3:15 Then I came to them of the captivity at Telabib, that dwelt by the river of Chebar, and I sat where they sat, and remained there astonished among them seven days.

Ezekiel 3:16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Ezekiel 3:17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

Ezekiel 3:22 And the hand of the LORD was there upon me; and he said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will there talk with thee.

Ezekiel 3:23 Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar and I fell on my face.

Ezekiel 3:24 Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet, and spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thine house.

Ezekiel 3:25 But thou, O son of man, behold, they shall put bands upon thee, and shall bind thee with them, and thou shalt not go out among them

Ezekiel 3:26 And I will make thy tongue cleave to the roof of thy mouth, that thou shalt be dumb, and shalt not be to them a reprover for they are a rebellious house.

Ezekiel 3:27 But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear for they are a rebellious house.

 

[NayborBear]

o.k.

guess i'll have to work on my eye sight, I see no such thing being addressed.

but, what do I expect from a guy who is bent because 1st Enoch is not in the Bible....

and, this for others to see what is going on.

I know you have 0 interest in truth, just pushing Hebrew roots garbage.

Leviticus 26 says what it says. I am not going to rip it out of my Bible to make a man-made opinion based theology work...

Ok! I "get" where your coming from now. Yer one of those "literalists" type people, who only understands the "narrative"(story), and not the "timelessness" of God's "Words" when quoted directly. Because it only applied to "them" then! So, it actually has no bearing concerning present the day.

In keeping with that "literalist mindset", if one cannot empirically trace one's "geneologies" back to ancient Israel? Then, the "Words of God" spoken then? Have NO value to you, and should be ignored! Just as if God NEVER spoke such a thing at all! Right?

As far as your bashing, due to your ignorance, people offering "spiritual sacrifices ACCEPTABLE to God, BY Jesus Christ", for the purposes of gaining NOT salvation, for we have salvation already! But, spiritual maturity, by sacrificing things ON THE SPIRITUAL LEVEL, as contained in the law of Moses?
Listen up!
Some things are TRUE!
Whether you believe them, or not!
So do us all a big favor, and go back to your "Past-YER-Eyes" milk, would ya?
Jez "dog ear" these pages for future reference.
So, you might remember them, when that "dog" comes and starts taking bites outta yer back side!

 

[DeighAnn]

it is by love, NOT BY FOLLOWING the law, that we empowered to obey. not a law we can not follow to begin with, it was not made for that purpose

thats what people have been trying to show you for months now.

What you can't seem to hear is we do follow the commandments in love, with love, through love, because of love God. We love the Word.

We are OBEDIANT not only through love but because we are told to be and because of our Reverence for THE LORD GOD, giving Our Creator His due respect and glory.

Yes God is our Father, who loves us. YET

God is also the LORD GOD, who demands that we DO IT HIS WAY. His way is written. He wrote "KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" a commandment to follow. He gave it to us in writing so that we do not try to do it OUR own way, because the doesn't please Him.


We do not now, nor have we ever had to be, what YOU consider "PERFECT" because your definition of perfect is OLD TESTAMENT, Old school, before we could find forgiveness for sin through His blood. (I wish you could understand this)

We believe in the ABSOLUTE FORGIVENESS of SIN REPENTED OF. And what happens to that sin we repented of ????

IT IS BLOTTED OUT. Gone. Just like it never was. God doesn't even want to hear about it again. That is how total and complete that forgiveness is. Which renders you perfect once again in the eyes of God, just not YOURS.

So I keep the commandments of the Lord. Perfectly. Just not in the way you see perfect.

I break the whole law, I am forgiven the whole law.

My statements are not contradictory to God. They are to you.

And why do we TEACH to follow them? Why is it straightforward, clear cut, no guessing what we mean? Because it is truth. Gods.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And if you think telling people they CAN'T follow the commandments because they can't follow them perfectly isn't teaching men so...I don't know what is. But that is just my opinion. It will be between you and God

Which you say you are NOT teaching, yet are accused of it all the time. Why is that? Why do so many people " think" you teach against keeping the commandments?? Because whether it is your INTENT or NOT, it is the TRUTH of what is happening.


You like to quote James yet you always stop short

James 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges f evil thoughts?

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

James 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

James 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
as in you have transgressed the law

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James 2:12 So speak ye and so do as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?


THE LAW OF LIBERTY, not the LAW OF MOSES, THAT COULDN'T FORGIVE,
BUT THE LAW THAT SETS YOU FREE OF SIN BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

SO THAT WHEN YOU TRANSGRESS, YOU CAN FIND FORGIVENESS THROUGH REPENTANCE. And upon that forgiveness, that sin is BLOTTED OUT. Just like the BACK BUTTON on the computer. It is gone like it never was.

It pains me to think, that you think, I do not do all I do, in the name of the LORD, from a place of love.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"You seem to not be able to respond to any post i are. So you post scripture."

You seem to be talking to yourself in a mirror. I have asked you a lot of questions you just ignored yet i did not complain or grumble. I'll give you a response you would surely agree with...

"WHATEVER"

go ahead show me a question I have not answered that has to do with the topic we have been discussing.

a lot of people post scripture,that’s great, except when the scripture has nothing to do with the post in question, like most of yours do,

whatever, that seems to be about all you know how to respond, so I take it for what it is, the norm.

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. John 7:18

If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. James 1:19-21

here we go again, nothing concerning what I said.

what does this have to do with osas, the end times or the law?

it’s ok, when you do this,it strengthens me, it proves further what I am saying, because you have no answer.

thank you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— Romans 9:22-23

But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life. 1 Timothy 1:16

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:15-16

Once again, scripture

thats great man you know how to cut and past

but they have no bearing on what I am saying

are you afraid to discuss tough issues?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What you can't seem to hear is we do follow the commandments in love, with love, through love, because of love God. We love the Word.

We are OBEDIANT not only through love but because we are told to be and because of our Reverence for THE LORD GOD, giving Our Creator His due respect and glory.

Yes God is our Father, who loves us. YET

God is also the LORD GOD, who demands that we DO IT HIS WAY. His way is written. He wrote "KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" a commandment to follow. He gave it to us in writing so that we do not try to do it OUR own way, because the doesn't please Him.


We do not now, nor have we ever had to be, what YOU consider "PERFECT" because your definition of perfect is OLD TESTAMENT, Old school, before we could find forgiveness for sin through His blood. (I wish you could understand this)

We believe in the ABSOLUTE FORGIVENESS of SIN REPENTED OF. And what happens to that sin we repented of ????

IT IS BLOTTED OUT. Gone. Just like it never was. God doesn't even want to hear about it again. That is how total and complete that forgiveness is. Which renders you perfect once again in the eyes of God, just not YOURS.

So I keep the commandments of the Lord. Perfectly. Just not in the way you see perfect.

I break the whole law, I am forgiven the whole law.

My statements are not contradictory to God. They are to you.

And why do we TEACH to follow them? Why is it straightforward, clear cut, no guessing what we mean? Because it is truth. Gods.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And if you think telling people they CAN'T follow the commandments because they can't follow them perfectly isn't teaching men so...I don't know what is. But that is just my opinion. It will be between you and God

Which you say you are NOT teaching, yet are accused of it all the time. Why is that? Why do so many people " think" you teach against keeping the commandments?? Because whether it is your INTENT or NOT, it is the TRUTH of what is happening.


You like to quote James yet you always stop short

James 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges f evil thoughts?

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

James 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

James 2:7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
as in you have transgressed the law

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James 2:12 So speak ye and so do as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?


THE LAW OF LIBERTY, not the LAW OF MOSES, THAT COULDN'T FORGIVE,
BUT THE LAW THAT SETS YOU FREE OF SIN BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

SO THAT WHEN YOU TRANSGRESS, YOU CAN FIND FORGIVENESS THROUGH REPENTANCE. And upon that forgiveness, that sin is BLOTTED OUT. Just like the BACK BUTTON on the computer. It is gone like it never was.

It pains me to think, that you think, I do not do all I do, in the name of the LORD, from a place of love.

1. You focus on commands, i focus on people and god (the object of my love)
2. You focus on law and claim to follow it, when perfection is required, and you even admit you have yet to chaise that state, I focus again on people, and looking to biblical men and women who knew how to walk in love and use them as my example

your focused on what condemns, i look forward to where I will be, based on what Christ did for me

we walk in different directions, I walked in yours once, I found freedom and mercy and grace and Power, to not only have victory over many sins but have power to love and serve others. , I am trying to share that with you

 

[IFOLLOWHIM]

 

[wokinluv]

go ahead show me a question I have not answered that has to do with the topic we have been discussing.

a lot of people post scripture,that’s great, except when the scripture has nothing to do with the post in question, like most of yours do,

whatever, that seems to be about all you know how to respond, so I take it for what it is, the norm.




here we go again, nothing concerning what I said.

what does this have to do with osas, the end times or the law?

it’s ok, when you do this,it strengthens me, it proves further what I am saying, because you have no answer.

thank you

Once again, scripture

thats great man you know how to cut and past

but they have no bearing on what I am saying

are you afraid to discuss tough issues?

repost

EXPOSE THEM


Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. Ephesians 5:11-12


1.Who are the antiChrists and deceivers referred to in 2John 1:7-11 and 1John 4:1-6?


2.What do they teach?


3.How can we recognize them



The antiChrists do not acknowledge that Christ came in the flesh.


It has caught my attention that some who claim to be Christians no longer include the word LIFE whenever they explain what the Gospel means to them. They would simply say that it is about the DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION of Christ.


If the Gospel of our salvation is the word of Truth, would it still be the truth without the LIFE part?


It could be possible that the intention to disregard the LIFE part is to deceive the believers that it is only through faith in His DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION will one be saved and not by works because they are just filthy rags. These people would separate Faith from works as they do to the LIFE, separating it in disregard from the DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION whenever they assert their doctrine of salvation through FAITH ALONE.


Obviously, the LIFE that Jesus lived on this earth is in total obedience and submission to what the FATHER commanded Him to do in accordance to His will and eternal purpose or plan.


During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. Hebrews 5:7-9


His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. Ephesians 3:10-11


And what's "through the church" referring to?


It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the aw 1and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. Ephesians 4:11-16


To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 1 Peter 2:21


Does a Christian have to suffer and walk as Jesus did?


...Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6


It is God's command from the beginning that we must walk in love as Jesus did


And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.2 John 1:6


But what do these antiChrist teach? They say that once you are saved the moment you believed in Christ Jesus our Lord, you will always be saved and have already possessed eternal life.


This is a clear disregard for the command of God to walk in love wherein love is to walk in obedience to His commands.


Do they acknowledge Christ's coming in the flesh by saying that faith alone saves and once saved, always saved? That no one can keep God's laws and therefore calling those who obey and teach obedience to God, names to insult, mock, slander and judge them as if they have done such a grave offense to their God by doing so?


Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:7-11


These people have ran ahead by claiming to have already possessed eternal life which exempts them from facing judgment on the great day. They claim that their sins in the past, present and future have all been forgiven...no need to repent and ask for forgiveness anymore.


They have not continued in Christ's teachings. Theiir teachings are but rules taught by men and they have nullified the words of God such as His laws given to Moses for all Israel and they do many things like that.


The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45


Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 1 John 4:1-2



DO YOU TAKE AWAY THE" LIFE" (lived and walked in obedience to God's commands) FROM THE GOSPEL?

 

[wokinluv]

Once again, scripture

thats great man you know how to cut and past

but they have no bearing on what I am saying

are you afraid to discuss tough issues?

If scriptures have no bearing on what you're saying, how would my words have bearing on what you're saying? This only proves who rejects the Word of God and does not hear what God says.

and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:15-17

If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:47

Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. John 15:20-22

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. Hebrews 4:12-13

...Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:4

 

[wokinluv]

The Temptation of Jesus
Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’” Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’” Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him. Matthew 4:1-11

 

[eternally-gratefull]

repost

EXPOSE THEM


Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. Ephesians 5:11-12


1.Who are the antiChrists and deceivers referred to in 2John 1:7-11 and 1John 4:1-6?


2.What do they teach?


3.How can we recognize them



The antiChrists do not acknowledge that Christ came in the flesh.


It has caught my attention that some who claim to be Christians no longer include the word LIFE whenever they explain what the Gospel means to them. They would simply say that it is about the DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION of Christ.


If the Gospel of our salvation is the word of Truth, would it still be the truth without the LIFE part?


It could be possible that the intention to disregard the LIFE part is to deceive the believers that it is only through faith in His DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION will one be saved and not by works because they are just filthy rags. These people would separate Faith from works as they do to the LIFE, separating it in disregard from the DEATH, BURIAL and RESURRECTION whenever they assert their doctrine of salvation through FAITH ALONE.


Obviously, the LIFE that Jesus lived on this earth is in total obedience and submission to what the FATHER commanded Him to do in accordance to His will and eternal purpose or plan.


During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him. Hebrews 5:7-9


His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. Ephesians 3:10-11


And what's "through the church" referring to?


It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the aw 1and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work. Ephesians 4:11-16


To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 1 Peter 2:21


Does a Christian have to suffer and walk as Jesus did?


...Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6


It is God's command from the beginning that we must walk in love as Jesus did


And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.2 John 1:6


But what do these antiChrist teach? They say that once you are saved the moment you believed in Christ Jesus our Lord, you will always be saved and have already possessed eternal life.


This is a clear disregard for the command of God to walk in love wherein love is to walk in obedience to His commands.


Do they acknowledge Christ's coming in the flesh by saying that faith alone saves and once saved, always saved? That no one can keep God's laws and therefore calling those who obey and teach obedience to God, names to insult, mock, slander and judge them as if they have done such a grave offense to their God by doing so?


Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:7-11


These people have ran ahead by claiming to have already possessed eternal life which exempts them from facing judgment on the great day. They claim that their sins in the past, present and future have all been forgiven...no need to repent and ask for forgiveness anymore.


They have not continued in Christ's teachings. Theiir teachings are but rules taught by men and they have nullified the words of God such as His laws given to Moses for all Israel and they do many things like that.


The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45


Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 1 John 4:1-2



DO YOU TAKE AWAY THE" LIFE" (lived and walked in obedience to God's commands) FROM THE GOSPEL?

what does this have to do with our discussion?

Can we stick to the point before we move someplace else?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If scriptures have no bearing on what you're saying, how would my words have bearing on what you're saying? This only proves who rejects the Word of God and does not hear what God says.

and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:15-17

If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:47

Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. John 15:20-22

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. Hebrews 4:12-13

...Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:4

Yawn

If I am talking about law. And you post a scripture on the rapture. The scripture has no bearing on the discussion

I am done man, You have proven you have no desire to discuss.. Your hatred against OSAS is the issue here, It has you blinded as to what others are saying.
Good day.

 

[DeighAnn]

1. You focus on commands, i focus on people and god (the object of my love)
2. You focus on law and claim to follow it, when perfection is required, and you even admit you have yet to chaise that state, I focus again on people, and looking to biblical men and women who knew how to walk in love and use them as my example

your focused on what condemns, i look forward to where I will be, based on what Christ did for me

we walk in different directions, I walked in yours once, I found freedom and mercy and grace and Power, to not only have victory over many sins but have power to love and serve others. , I am trying to share that with you

I thank you for the sharing with me. I have loved and loved less it (not you), but have grown from it. And that is one of the goals, to mature.

You say I focus on laws, but isn't that what this thread is about "laws/commandments" ? I do "keep thy commandments" as commanded, though not by your "perceived" perfection, but by the perfection of the Cross. By the power of the forgiveness that the work of Christ afforded me.

I walk after The Word, all of it. I do not pick and choose from it. I focus on what God wants me to do and that is to love, and what Christ has done for me, which includes a belief in His blood washing me clean amongst the many other things. Do we walk in different directions, or do we walk in the same direction, differently??

I walked in your shoes once, also. I believed in ONLY the love of God. But it was a relationship based solely on "the way I wanted it". When I started to study, I found that what I thought, "God loves me, I love God, pray and my prayers are answered, I have a special relationship with Him and he knows I love Him so whatever I do is OK" just wasn't true. I found He wants me to have knowledge and wisdom, His, no mine. Maybe it is because of being "so far off" that I see how important it is to know HIM, and that only comes from The Word, the walking IN love comes from the Spirit. Maybe because you and I did it opposite, these are the ways that work for us. You say you used to feel condemned by them?? is that correct?? but I feel set free. I no longer have lingering guilt. I feel washed clean after anytime I have fallen in the mud. I don't fall in the mud much anymore.

I have been set free from the bondage to sin and from sin through the work of the Lord Jesus Christ. I have only come to understand a bit of His Power (which you Capitalize) through the wisdom of knowledge found in His Word. I am telling you for a truth, until you start taking the "time and effort" to capitalize Gods name, there will always be a certain skepticism towards what you teach.

This ALL comes down to "follow Gods law" and teach others so, or not. If people kept "falsely" accusing me of teaching against them, I would figure out what was wrong with my approach and fix it. That is what I see as the problem. You and I will never be the same, nor are we suppose to. When we look at these, we see that would be impossible.

1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

Christians. From wherever, no longer divided. We need to see in each other the diversity of gifts given and not to "judge" someone else as being wrong because they do not "see" or walk just like us. I believe I have told you before, it is a matter of the words we use, that divides us, though it is also of the "gifts" we have received and the lack of acknowledgement of them. That is why we are not to judge each other. (As long as the teaching is found in the bible)

The love of God, remains the same. I am not in a contest with you to see who wins the "I have received more grace than you". It is all about God and the furtherance of His Word, His Truth, His Plan.

I wish I could give to you my faith in the complete and total forgiveness of the Blood of the Cross and how it sets us "perfect", the sin completely blotted out. That is one of the beauties of Christianity. I would hate to think I could NEVER measure up to what God wants me to be. He has made it so so so easy to come in and talk with Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thank you for the sharing with me. I have loved and loved less it (not you), but have grown from it. And that is one of the goals, to mature.

You say I focus on laws, but isn't that what this thread is about "laws/commandments" ? I do "keep thy commandments" as commanded, though not by your "perceived" perfection, but by the perfection of the Cross. By the power of the forgiveness that the work of Christ afforded me.

I walk after The Word, all of it. I do not pick and choose from it. I focus on what God wants me to do and that is to love, and what Christ has done for me, which includes a belief in His blood washing me clean amongst the many other things. Do we walk in different directions, or do we walk in the same direction, differently??

I walked in your shoes once, also. I believed in ONLY the love of God. But it was a relationship based solely on "the way I wanted it". When I started to study, I found that what I thought, "God loves me, I love God, pray and my prayers are answered, I have a special relationship with Him and he knows I love Him so whatever I do is OK" just wasn't true. I found He wants me to have knowledge and wisdom, His, no mine. Maybe it is because of being "so far off" that I see how important it is to know HIM, and that only comes from The Word, the walking IN love comes from the Spirit. Maybe because you and I did it opposite, these are the ways that work for us. You say you used to feel condemned by them?? is that correct?? but I feel set free. I no longer have lingering guilt. I feel washed clean after anytime I have fallen in the mud. I don't fall in the mud much anymore.

I have been set free from the bondage to sin and from sin through the work of the Lord Jesus Christ. I have only come to understand a bit of His Power (which you Capitalize) through the wisdom of knowledge found in His Word. I am telling you for a truth, until you start taking the "time and effort" to capitalize Gods name, there will always be a certain skepticism towards what you teach.

This ALL comes down to "follow Gods law" and teach others so, or not. If people kept "falsely" accusing me of teaching against them, I would figure out what was wrong with my approach and fix it. That is what I see as the problem. You and I will never be the same, nor are we suppose to. When we look at these, we see that would be impossible.

1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

Christians. From wherever, no longer divided. We need to see in each other the diversity of gifts given and not to "judge" someone else as being wrong because they do not "see" or walk just like us. I believe I have told you before, it is a matter of the words we use, that divides us, though it is also of the "gifts" we have received and the lack of acknowledgement of them. That is why we are not to judge each other. (As long as the teaching is found in the bible)

The love of God, remains the same. I am not in a contest with you to see who wins the "I have received more grace than you". It is all about God and the furtherance of His Word, His Truth, His Plan.

I wish I could give to you my faith in the complete and total forgiveness of the Blood of the Cross and how it sets us "perfect", the sin completely blotted out. That is one of the beauties of Christianity. I would hate to think I could NEVER measure up to what God wants me to be. He has made it so so so easy to come in and talk with Him.

Yes this thread is about it

But that does not mean we should live our life by focusing on it

Thats the point I have been trying to make

You focus on the law as a means to obedience

I focus on christ an loving others

HUGE difference