Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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i don't think any of it should be ignored - tho i presume that's not really what you mean.
in John 5:39 Jesus commands to search the scriptures, explaining that they testify of Him: and in John 17:3 declares that to know Him is eternal life. knowledge of Him is therefore in the law of Moses, because it, and the prophets, and the wisdom & psalms, are testimonies of Him; moreover He commands to find Him in them.
i can't ignore that - 'to whom shall we go?' He is the Word of Life
i don't think any of it should be ignored - tho i presume that's not really what you mean.
in John 5:39 Jesus commands to search the scriptures, explaining that they testify of Him: and in John 17:3 declares that to know Him is eternal life. knowledge of Him is therefore in the law of Moses, because it, and the prophets, and the wisdom & psalms, are testimonies of Him; moreover He commands to find Him in them.
i can't ignore that - 'to whom shall we go?' He is the Word of Life
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I have had righteousness imputed to me. What should I do with that. My choices are do nothing, that's no good or mature from there. I know to stay on the milk does not make God happy, or else He wouldn't have mentioned the meat.
I, can not walk perfectly all the time. But I can repent and be forgiven. What happens when I do that? My sin is forgiven. I have made a change to the inner man, I am now walking more holy than I was before, and my sin blotted out, looks like I have been walking as my more holy self the whole time. My spirit rejoices. The Holy Spirit rejoices. There is lots of rejoicing. I am progressing. Every time I make a change and it sticks and becomes a part of my New character, I become more like Christ which is what I am supposed to be doing.
If I never try, I stay the same. I don't want God to find me to be the same person he first found me to be. I want His Word to have made a huge difference in me. When I get to God I want to be a child who listened to My Fathers Word, took His advice, soaked up all the wisdom and knowledge He set before me to partake of and in doing so, became the all grow-ed up person He knew I could be. I want Him to be proud of gifting me salvation and seeing me along my journey, picking me up when I stumble and fall, drying my tears, telling me its ok, you'll do better next time, thumping my ear when I am not listening to Him. I want to know and understand His word so bad that I do this. And by this I mean having 6 people come at me at once telling me in one way or another, I am not really saved, I just think I am, I don't know any truth, I am doing it wrong, I am a liar, a deceiver, I don't understand and all the rest because I want more than to "be saved", I want to be successful in and for God. I want to do it Gods Way and Gods way is a doing way, on my part. He hates lazy people, likens them to a door on hinges connected to a bed, flopping from one side to the other. (don't ask me where it is, I don't know but I will try to find it again)
I do no contradict myself, You just do not "see" or "hear" the same as I do. I can not, do not want to accept all the gifts I have been given and when I get to heaven have no more than the thief who repented at the last minute and was saved. Sure, both our names are in the book of life. We have both been gifted that. Yet I have had almost my entire life to do something for God. I am following the instruction book He spent so much time for me to have.
When I get to heaven not only do I want to stand on the same side as the thief, the "saved" side, I want to have kicked his butt in the "works and rewards" department. After all, it is all I can take with me. God tells me don't invest in THIS earth life, where moth do eat, but INVEST in my future. I am doing that and it gives me more peace and happiness than anyone I know. I want to hear well done my good and faithful servant. I want my 10 talent to be 100 so I can have the 1 from the guy who got a little and did nothing but bury it. God has invested in me. ALOT. I want to be approved BECAUSE I did study to show myself approved. I want to be a priest who approaches Christ, not a gentile who had faith but was never under the law like" they were" so there are none that apply. I know about the beginning, I know what is coming and should it be Gods will, I know exactly what I am and exactly what I am not to do. I know to watch and what to watch for. I do have on the full gospel armor.
I would go back and read this but I am too tired. Hopefully its nice, if it doesn't sound nice read it again with the nice intentions it is meant to have. I know better but I am pretty sure I can take the fall out now fairly easiely. I don't know if I even answered your question. I get back in the morning, long day
I, can not walk perfectly all the time. But I can repent and be forgiven. What happens when I do that? My sin is forgiven. I have made a change to the inner man, I am now walking more holy than I was before, and my sin blotted out, looks like I have been walking as my more holy self the whole time. My spirit rejoices. The Holy Spirit rejoices. There is lots of rejoicing. I am progressing. Every time I make a change and it sticks and becomes a part of my New character, I become more like Christ which is what I am supposed to be doing.
If I never try, I stay the same. I don't want God to find me to be the same person he first found me to be. I want His Word to have made a huge difference in me. When I get to God I want to be a child who listened to My Fathers Word, took His advice, soaked up all the wisdom and knowledge He set before me to partake of and in doing so, became the all grow-ed up person He knew I could be. I want Him to be proud of gifting me salvation and seeing me along my journey, picking me up when I stumble and fall, drying my tears, telling me its ok, you'll do better next time, thumping my ear when I am not listening to Him. I want to know and understand His word so bad that I do this. And by this I mean having 6 people come at me at once telling me in one way or another, I am not really saved, I just think I am, I don't know any truth, I am doing it wrong, I am a liar, a deceiver, I don't understand and all the rest because I want more than to "be saved", I want to be successful in and for God. I want to do it Gods Way and Gods way is a doing way, on my part. He hates lazy people, likens them to a door on hinges connected to a bed, flopping from one side to the other. (don't ask me where it is, I don't know but I will try to find it again)
I do no contradict myself, You just do not "see" or "hear" the same as I do. I can not, do not want to accept all the gifts I have been given and when I get to heaven have no more than the thief who repented at the last minute and was saved. Sure, both our names are in the book of life. We have both been gifted that. Yet I have had almost my entire life to do something for God. I am following the instruction book He spent so much time for me to have.
When I get to heaven not only do I want to stand on the same side as the thief, the "saved" side, I want to have kicked his butt in the "works and rewards" department. After all, it is all I can take with me. God tells me don't invest in THIS earth life, where moth do eat, but INVEST in my future. I am doing that and it gives me more peace and happiness than anyone I know. I want to hear well done my good and faithful servant. I want my 10 talent to be 100 so I can have the 1 from the guy who got a little and did nothing but bury it. God has invested in me. ALOT. I want to be approved BECAUSE I did study to show myself approved. I want to be a priest who approaches Christ, not a gentile who had faith but was never under the law like" they were" so there are none that apply. I know about the beginning, I know what is coming and should it be Gods will, I know exactly what I am and exactly what I am not to do. I know to watch and what to watch for. I do have on the full gospel armor.
I would go back and read this but I am too tired. Hopefully its nice, if it doesn't sound nice read it again with the nice intentions it is meant to have. I know better but I am pretty sure I can take the fall out now fairly easiely. I don't know if I even answered your question. I get back in the morning, long day
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The spirit leads and guides me. And I believe with all my heart
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart
and you know, I have no fear of that day of reward and punishment. I also believe, with all my heart, that Judgment Day is going to be really shocking for some. I don't believe people, in their wildest dreams, ever imagined the records that were being kept. Thank God for
1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. So no I don't assume
I am sure.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart
and you know, I have no fear of that day of reward and punishment. I also believe, with all my heart, that Judgment Day is going to be really shocking for some. I don't believe people, in their wildest dreams, ever imagined the records that were being kept. Thank God for
1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. So no I don't assume
I am sure.
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For me it is the personal accountability that exacts the most change. I know I am a sinner. But I would assume just like all the different gifts given, this is a personal experience also.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
But there has to be a reason for "the books"
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
2 Timothy 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
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If I lived my life by not doing anything because I would fail, I would do nothing. To you, I do not keep the 10 commandments. To me I keep them for every second possible. When I get to God you will have never tried, I will have succeeded 99% of the time, and with the Blood of the Lamb blotting out that last percent, I 100% kept them. I believe in forgiveness of sin, which is transgression of the law.
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You cant fail (sin) if you don't try (forgiveness). Why did God make it so easy?? So we could try so much harder. How do you get better at something, Practice. But if you don't practice you don't ever get any better. Be a DOER, not a hearer only FAIL 7 x 70 if you have to in the beginning, there is forgiveness, and in that THERE IS NO FEAR.
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Here is my problem. If we stop putting out truth, then all that is to be found is un truth. I have to think in an atmosphere where many come to see and hear, though they are never seen by us, it is like constantly going out to new "doors". How then do we stop?
My other problem. I am really getting to know The Word in a way very different than I previously did. My beliefs are tested "through fire" it feels like sometimes, but I like knowing I have searched it out and stand on a firm foundation.
like John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
I am sure I am to keep His commandments. There has never been/never will be an argument put out that would make this verse void to me. If I was the last person on the earth, all telling me, don't believe it, don't do it, don't even try, it wouldn't budge me from this belief.
My other problem. I am really getting to know The Word in a way very different than I previously did. My beliefs are tested "through fire" it feels like sometimes, but I like knowing I have searched it out and stand on a firm foundation.
like John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
I am sure I am to keep His commandments. There has never been/never will be an argument put out that would make this verse void to me. If I was the last person on the earth, all telling me, don't believe it, don't do it, don't even try, it wouldn't budge me from this belief.
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Who is saying a word about not doing anything? Are we on the same page? I believe we have a disconnect.
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again, What are you talking about? I am talking about being obedient to Gods STANDARD of the law. Not sitting still and doing nothing, thats a whole different optic.
Its not about me, Its about God.
According to God standard, You do not keep the ten commands. As paul said, ALL sin and fall short.
Its Gods standard we are talking about here, Not my standard. Not yours.
Thats great, BUT THATS NOT ENOUGH. That is the point the Bible. And myself is trying to show you.
Now your slandering. You assume things which I have never said or insinuated? (was not someone trying to tell me I was being offensive or something?) I bet he does not say the same thing to you
When you get to God, he is not going to praise you for trying. You are going to be on your knees PRAYING he saved you for being UNABLE to keep his standard.
IF your saved, He will praise you if you serve and love others, putting their needs above your own, sacrificing your needs through faith in the power of God, who supplies ALL YOUR NEEDS, Thus producing spiritual fruit.
If the LAW comes into the conversation, There is only one answer God will give you. GUILTY!
Those are just the facts
As james said, If I keep ALL of the law (every command) yet fail in ONE POINT, I am guilty
Thats Gods standard.
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again, What are you talking about? I am talking about being obedient to Gods STANDARD of the law. Not sitting still and doing nothing, thats a whole different optic.
Its not about me, Its about God.
According to God standard, You do not keep the ten commands. As paul said, ALL sin and fall short.
Its Gods standard we are talking about here, Not my standard. Not yours.
Thats great, BUT THATS NOT ENOUGH. That is the point the Bible. And myself is trying to show you.
Now your slandering. You assume things which I have never said or insinuated? (was not someone trying to tell me I was being offensive or something?) I bet he does not say the same thing to you
When you get to God, he is not going to praise you for trying. You are going to be on your knees PRAYING he saved you for being UNABLE to keep his standard.
IF your saved, He will praise you if you serve and love others, putting their needs above your own, sacrificing your needs through faith in the power of God, who supplies ALL YOUR NEEDS, Thus producing spiritual fruit.
If the LAW comes into the conversation, There is only one answer God will give you. GUILTY!
Those are just the facts
As james said, If I keep ALL of the law (every command) yet fail in ONE POINT, I am guilty
Thats Gods standard.
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I have no idea what this means..I can not sin if I do not try forgiveness? If I do not forgive, I AM IN SIN.
The jews TRIED to keep the law. They failed (Thats why the messiah came, and because they misunderstood the law and THOUGHT THEY KEPT IT. They did not see their need for Christ, and rejected him.
Its sad people today make the same mistake. Even CLAIMING they follow him, yet in reality do not even know him.
Its not about KEEPING THE LAW
Its about SERVING GOD, LOVING OTHERS. PRODUCING THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT
ALL things the LAW CAN NOT TEACH YOU. As THAT WAS NEVER ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.
The jews TRIED to keep the law. They failed (Thats why the messiah came, and because they misunderstood the law and THOUGHT THEY KEPT IT. They did not see their need for Christ, and rejected him.
Its sad people today make the same mistake. Even CLAIMING they follow him, yet in reality do not even know him.
Its not about KEEPING THE LAW
Its about SERVING GOD, LOVING OTHERS. PRODUCING THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT
ALL things the LAW CAN NOT TEACH YOU. As THAT WAS NEVER ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.
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Probably scared to read this one, 
(kidding) but it is just to say I had no need to say the same thing with different words in a different post, so I am going to have coffee now.
(kidding) but it is just to say I had no need to say the same thing with different words in a different post, so I am going to have coffee now.
Your scared to admit your guilty, Scared to adit you can not keep the law.
What Worries me, Is WHY you are afraid to follow the schoolmaster..