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[garee]

Your out-of-context interpretation of "the flesh profiteth for nothing" is incorrect. I'm wondering how many times you need to be told the truth before you start to consider that you might be wrong.

Out of your context yes. I'm wondering how many times you need to be told the truth before you start to consider that you might be wrong?

How old is the Son of man? Does he have many wrinkles? How much longer can we know him after the flesh? The Bible say no more.?

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yes he did .He poured out his unseen Holy Spirit the source of life on dead flesh in order to put away sin in the flesh .

The "dead flesh" was and is the "dead flesh" of the descendants of Adam.

The Father of the Lord Jesus Christ is God Himself (i.e. no corruption in the Lord Jesus Christ).

Yes not literal sheep. Sheep represent clean or redeemed as those who have the faith of God working in them . He uses other animals as unclean ,unredeemed. . no faith. . Eternal God who has no beginning as the Spirit of truth, he is not a Lamb or a man as us.

In John 10:15, when Jesus said "I lay down my life for the sheep", He is not counted as one of the sheep.

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Good Shepherd –

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Yes as the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God. .Our invisible King of kings, Lord of lords. He remains our high priest continually without beginning or end. .

When He comes back, every eye will see Him. He is not coming as an "invisible King of kings, Lord of lords".

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him


You do realize, garee, that in new heaven and new earth, we will have fleshly bodies? We shall walk in holy Jerusalem (Rev 21:10-24) … we shall be servants (Rev 22:3) … we will see His face (Rev 22:4) … we shall enter in through the gates into the city (Rev 22:14) …

Why do you not have faith that God Fathered a body for His only begotten Son and that body had absolutely no corruption in it.

Quit spiritizing everything.

And not the son of man the temporal as that seen. He came on the scene later inherited his flesh and blod form his Mom just like us. .

The Lord Jesus Christ inherited no corruption from "His mom just like us". You have followed a doctrine which has blown you about and you have been deceived lest you should speak the truth in love and grow up into Him in all things, which is the Head, even Christ.

We have seen the last of Him. . yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Nope. Again, every eye shall see Him:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him

One demonstration is all that was promised .

Actually it's one sacrifice which was and is all that is needed to redeem mankind back to God.

The Lord Jesus Christ is coming back and every eye shall see Him.

So quit spiritizing everything. The Lord Jesus Christ will present a majestic physical presence which every eye shall see ... He's not coming back as some "eternal unseen".

Why would we want to re-crucify him over and over to public shame as if one demonstration was not enough?

To acknowledge, honor, and respect the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ is not re-crucifying Him.

In fact, to act as if His coming was unnecessary, as you appear to believe, reveals your complete ignorance of God's eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus.

Why don't you open up your Bible and read it. Quit listening to those who have deceived you into believing a lie.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Out of your context yes.

Actually, garee, your interpretation is out of the context laid out in Scripture.

I'm wondering how many times you need to be told the truth before you start to consider that you might be wrong?

Matthew 13:

3 ... Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them

 

[Dino246]

Out of your context yes. I'm wondering how many times you need to be told the truth before you start to consider that you might be wrong?

Out of "my" context"? Who taught you such rank stupidity? It isn't "mine", "yours" or anyone else's. It simply is. The context is right there for you to read, in the Bible.

 

[garee]

The "dead flesh" was and is the "dead flesh" of the descendants of Adam.

The same dead flesh he inherited from his mother Mary. It leads all the way back to when it was first corrupted from Eve. God corrupted the whole creation.

The Father of the Lord Jesus Christ is God Himself (i.e. no corruption in the Lord Jesus Christ).

No corruption in the unseen quickening Spirit .It's what he according to the one time demonstration poured out on the corrupted aging flesh of the Son on man.

It would seem you forget we walk by faith the unseen eternal, not after what the eyes see the flesh, the temporal not seen.

1 John informs us those avenues lust of the eyes, and lust of the flesh, pride of life are not of the Father but are natural of this corrupted world..

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

You do realize, garee, that in new heaven and new earth, we will have fleshly bodies? We shall walk in holy Jerusalem (Rev 21:10-24) … we shall be servants (Rev 22:3) … we will see His face (Rev 22:4) … we shall enter in through the gates into the city (Rev 22:14) …

Yes as sons of God which we are, it does not appear what we will be .Its the hope of Jehovah Witness that things will continue as they are .

Just as Peter in John 20. This is when Peter the denier spread the lie that John would remain alive in a body of death. Jesus revealed to Peter if every time he had to warn those who are looking for nothing to change something .The books that could be written would not fit into the libraries of the world.

We walk by faith the unseen spirit of faith the eternal not after the flesh seen the temporal. This is shown by the law of faith below.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Our new incorruptible bodies will be neither male not female, Jew or gentile. Corruption does not inherit the incorruptible (.new elements as rudiments) Not a rebuilt or reconditioned creation. But created entirely new. Not after the dead corrupted rudiments of this world.

The former things (flesh and blood after the rudiments ) will not be remembered or ever come to mank fore ever more . Many simply do not desire that kind of salvation and look to the flesh .

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create (not rebuild) new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Our new family will be glorious. . . reflecting His glory which is now hidden under the Sun.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The same dead flesh he inherited from his mother Mary. It leads all the way back to when it was first corrupted from Eve.

Again, garee, the genealogy of the Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

No "corrupted from Eve" flesh in the Lord Jesus Christ.

God corrupted the whole creation.

Don't blame God for Adam's sin. It was Adam who "corrupted the whole creation".

God merely meted out judgment due to Adam's transgression. God's judgment is righteous judgment.

It's what he according to the one time demonstration poured out on the corrupted aging flesh of the Son on man.

No such thing as "the corrupted aging flesh of the Son on man".

It would seem you forget we walk by faith the unseen eternal, not after what the eyes see the flesh, the temporal not seen.

Leave your "unseen eternal", pick up your Bible and begin to "walk by faith" according to the precepts laid out by God.

Your "unseen eternal" has you following a doctrine conceived by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive.

You do realize, garee, that in new heaven and new earth, we will have fleshly bodies? We shall walk in holy Jerusalem (Rev 21:10-24) … we shall be servants (Rev 22:3) … we will see His face (Rev 22:4) … we shall enter in through the gates into the city (Rev 22:14) …

Yes as sons of God which we are, it does not appear what we will be .Its the hope of Jehovah Witness that things will continue as they are .

My point in stating that we will have fleshly bodies in new heaven and new earth is that God is more than able to form and fashion a fleshly body which is not "corrupt".

God formed and fashioned a fleshly body which was not "corrupt" when He formed Adam back in Genesis. It was Adam's transgression which resulted in his death ... God told Adam not to eat and God told Adam that if he ate, he would die.

God Fathered His only begotten Son ... the Holy One ... not "corrupt" as you erroneously believe.

It appears you "walk by sight" since you do not have faith that God's only begotten Son was and is the Holy One (i.e. not "corrupt").

The reason Jesus died was because He laid His life down.

Just as Peter in John 20. This is when Peter the denier spread the lie that John would remain alive in a body of death. Jesus revealed to Peter if every time he had to warn those who are looking for nothing to change something .The books that could be written would not fit into the libraries of the world.

Unable to determine the meaning of this nonsensical gibberish ...

We walk by faith the unseen spirit of faith the eternal not after the flesh seen the temporal. This is shown by the law of faith below.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 has nothing to do with my honoring and respecting the Lord Jesus Christ ... including His earthly walk and ministry.

2 Corinthians 4:17-18 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


2 Cor 4:18 tells us that because we look at the things which are not seen as we go through our light afflictions which last but for a moment (even though we may suffer for many years), as we endure these light afflictions God is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory.


2 Cor 4:18 has nothing to do with your erroneously concocted scheme that there was any corruption in my Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Dino246]

The same dead flesh he inherited from his mother Mary. It leads all the way back to when it was first corrupted from Eve. God corrupted the whole creation.

Jesus did not inherit "dead flesh" from his mother Mary.

No corruption in the unseen quickening Spirit .It's what he according to the one time demonstration poured out on the corrupted aging flesh of the Son on man.

Jesus did not have "corrupted aging flesh." He grew up from infant to adult; that is not corruption, but design.

1 John informs us those avenues lust of the eyes, and lust of the flesh, pride of life are not of the Father but are natural of this corrupted world..

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Irrelevant.

Yes as sons of God which we are, it does not appear what we will be .Its the hope of Jehovah Witness that things will continue as they are .

The beliefs of the JW's are irrelevant. Try to stay on topic.

Just as Peter in John 20. This is when Peter the denier spread the lie that John would remain alive in a body of death. Jesus revealed to Peter if every time he had to warn those who are looking for nothing to change something .The books that could be written would not fit into the libraries of the world.

Once again you have misunderstood the Scripture because you don't read the text (or the context) carefully:

- that event is in John 21, not John 20.

- it is AFTER Jesus reinstated Peter, so calling Peter a "denier" at this point is ridiculous.

- the text does NOT say that Peter "spread the lie".

- the text does NOT say anything about "libraries"; it says, "the whole world could not contain them."

Perhaps if you read the Bible carefully and accepted at face value what it says, you would reject your silly errors and come to a right understanding of these matters.

 

[garee]

Again, garee, the genealogy of the Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

No "corrupted from Eve" flesh in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hi thanks for the reply. Not a salvation issue but one that questions. How can we hear eternal God not seen How does he gives us eras to hear and eyes to see the hidden things? Like fingerprints we can all offer our opinions.

Its the genealogy Son of man that has flesh, the temporal seen. The Son of God not seen is our high priest continually without beginning of days or end of life. He has no literal mother and father, no genealogy, as if he was a man as us.

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Hebrews 7: 3

Its the genealogy of the Son of man, a creation ( flesh and blood) .God is not a man as us. He is the one and only eternal Spirit of truth.
He is light. He is Love. He is the Spirit of truth having no form.

And yes that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. Not the Son of man pertaining to what the eyes see. Flesh the temporal (no power ). No such thing as holiness of the flesh. We walk by faith the unsen eternal Spirit the power within not of us.

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith (God's) among all nations, for his name:

Don't blame God for Adam's sin. It was Adam who "corrupted the whole creation".

I would think it was God who corrupted it when mankind disobeyed his voice...... hearing the voice of a stranger death came. Faith that came form hearing God departed . The letter of the law Kills. The Spirit of the law the spirit of faith . It heals and creates anew everyday . Together they make the perfect or complete law. Rendered useless apart from one another.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Not Adam's way . He is not the Way the Truth and the light .

 

[garee]

Jesus did not have "corrupted aging flesh." He grew up from infant to adult; that is not corruption, but design.

Whose design? The one of. . . .You will surely not die . . as in who needs faith? Just open your eyes look in the mirror, see and believe.

Yes a design that ends up dead. No spirit life..... called death. The design being revealed from heaven as the on going wrath of God the tribulation of men .

If I would follow your line of reasoning. What does the Son of man, Jesus look like today? Did his body stop aging for more than the three days the father prevented it from aging as he poured out his unseen Spirit, on corrupted flesh ?

Some did know him after the flesh. The one time demonstration is over. Like Jesus said; "it is finished" then of his own free will departed and His Spirit returned to the godhead.

Today that would be impossible according to 2 Corinthians 5:16. It must be signified as sinful to do what the written law could not as a law of faith could. . quicken our soul giving us new spirit life. .

When did it stop corrupting aging 50 yrs. . . 60. . . 390. . . 1,776. . . 2,019?

We walk by faith after the Ageless one.

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. (God not seen as in no faith)

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Salvation is not reckoned after the flesh "what the eyes see". He came that those dead in their tresspases and sins spiritualy blind in order to reveal the unseen eternal. We walk or understand after the unseen things of God the eternal, by which he reveals it, as it is written.

 

[presidente]

Genesis 38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother

Believers as sons of God led by the Holy Spirit should marry believers. God reserved the seed through Noah's family
.

I'm just having a look at this thread. I'd like to point out there is a context here. Onan took Tamar, slept with her, and though his obligation in doing so was to (try to) have a child in his brother's name, he was taking the sex part, but trying to avoid the pregnancy obligation altogether.

Extrapolating for this, for example, restrictions on what married couples may do would seem to be taking it beyond the original context.

 

[Dino246]

Whose design? The one of. . . .You will surely not die . . as in who needs faith? Just open your eyes look in the mirror, see and believe.

GOD's design, of course: humans are born as infants and GROW to maturity. That's design, not corruption.

If I would follow your line of reasoning. What does the Son of man, Jesus look like today? Did his body stop aging for more than the three days the father prevented it from aging as he poured out his unseen Spirit, on corrupted flesh ?

Ridiculous. It was always God's plan for Jesus to die on the cross. You're imagining irrelevant fantasies.

Some did know him after the flesh. The one time demonstration is over. Like Jesus said; "it is finished" then of his own free will departed and His Spirit returned to the godhead.

Irrelevant.

Today that would be impossible according to 2 Corinthians 5:16. It must be signified as sinful to do what the written law could not as a law of faith could. . quicken our soul giving us new spirit life. .

Irrelevant.

When did it stop corrupting aging 50 yrs. . . 60. . . 390. . . 1,776. . . 2,019?

Irrelevant.

Salvation is not reckoned after the flesh "what the eyes see". He came that those dead in their tresspases and sins spiritualy blind in order to reveal the unseen eternal. We walk or understand after the unseen things of God the eternal, by which he reveals it, as

it is written.

Irrelevant.

 

[Dino246]

Hi thanks for the reply. Not a salvation issue but one that questions. How can we hear eternal God not seen How does he gives us eras to hear and eyes to see the hidden things? Like fingerprints we can all offer our opinions.

This IS a salvation issue; if Jesus' flesh were corrupt, it was not an acceptable sacrifice for sins, and you, I, and everyone else who has believed on Him for salvation is actually condemned. Your opinion is irrelevant; what matters is what the Scriptures teach, which is that Jesus' flesh WAS an acceptable sacrifice.

Its the genealogy Son of man that has flesh, the temporal seen. The Son of God not seen is our high priest continually without beginning of days or end of life. He has no literal mother and father, no genealogy, as if he was a man as us.

The Son of Man IS the Son of God! You believe they are distinct, and that is a heretical belief! Mary IS the literal mother of the Son of Man, Jesus!

I will not warn you again: the next time you post heretical beliefs, I will report them. Get your theology straightened out!

I would think it was God who corrupted it ...

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

It's right there in front of you, and you don't see it!

"The earth... was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted his way on the earth." The "for" means "because". God didn't corrupt the earth; humankind did that to themselves!

 

[presidente]

No book of Enoch or Catholic council. The commandment to Adam a creature formed from the dust DNA was to be fruitful and multiple. Angels cannot multiple .

How would you know angels cannot multiply? Where does the Bible say this? The interpretation, an ancient one, that the 'sons of God' in Genesis are what we loosely call angels is ancient and many in the early church held to it. It is also consistent with the order of events laid out in Jude and II Peter 2, about the angels not staying in their proper abode before the reference to the flood.

Angels cannot take on form of shapeshifters other than special effect department Hollywood. If they could take on form ( shapeshifters ) it would of been used in the garden when the father of lies put his words on the lips of the serpent a creature that has DNA.

Where does the Bible say that angels cannot change their form? If we assumed that demons are fallen angels (what else would they be if you do not go with the more traditional interpretation of Nephelim?), and if we assume that the magicians of Egypt operated in demonic power, turning sticks into snakes is 'shapeshifting' isn't it?

If demons could shapeshift, why would you assume it would have to have been done in the garden. There is no logical reason to believe that, and the Bible does not teach this.

I am seeing a lot of unsupported assertions here.

Or with Peter in Mathew 16 When God said to Peter get behind me Satan you have in mind the things of men, not the things of shapeshifters.

Jude mentions angels being imprisoned in Tartarus, so maybe Satan/the Devil knew to stay within certain rules. This is speculation, as are your objections.

Believers as sons of God the renown multiplying with natural born mankind as daughters of men .Don't be unevenly yoked.

How would humans have had the power to become the sons of God before the Word became flesh as per John 1?

 

[presidente]

Is there any justification from the meaning of the Hebrew word for the Greek translations to go with a translation that meant 'giants'? The only connection I can see is the fact that some of the descendants of the Nephilim were giants during the conquest and the book of Enoch. But why would 'fallen one' be translated as 'giants' otherwise?

 

[Magenta]

How would you know angels cannot multiply? Where does the Bible say this?

Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Can we not safely extrapolate from this that angels do not procreate?

 

[PennEd]

GOD's design, of course: humans are born as infants and GROW to maturity. That's design, not corruption.


Ridiculous. It was always God's plan for Jesus to die on the cross. You're imagining irrelevant fantasies.


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I gotta know where you get your patience from! I like Garee. I think you do too. But I can't stomach much of his ridiculous, indescipherable, irrelevant posts.

Your persistence in calling him out in generally civil terms is admirable.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Hi thanks for the reply. Not a salvation issue but one that questions. How can we hear eternal God not seen How does he gives us eras to hear and eyes to see the hidden things?

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

God's eternal power and Godhead are revealed in that which He has created. The things we "see" with our eyes … "hear" with our ears … "smell" with our noses … "taste" with our mouths … "feel" through touch … all point to the eternal power and Godhead of the Creator.

Those who turn from God and deny Him are without excuse because everything He created points to Him. We are to observe His creation and turn to Him.

As we turn to Him with a desire to know more of Him, He will reveal more of Himself to us. The relationship between myself and God has grown stronger and stronger over the course of my life. Not because I am "better" than anyone else, but because I did not suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

Those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness deny the Creator and wander further and further from Him.

Romans 1:

22 – they profess themselves to be wise but in reality they are fools.

23 – they engage in idolatry in their foolishness.

24 – because they are fools and idolatrous, God gives them over to uncleanness.

25 – when God gives them over to uncleanness, they worship and serve the creation more than the Creator (who is blessed forever).

26 – when they worship and serve the creation more than the Creator, they dishonor their own bodies through their lusts (over-desires). Women change the natural use into that which is against nature. (In the Greek, the word "use" is defined as "use (as in a sexual sense)".

27 – in dishonoring their own bodies, men leave the natural use (same meaning as in vs 26) of the woman and they burn in their lusts one toward another. Because of their sexual deviance, they receive in themselves the adequate results of their error.

28 – because they engage in abhorrent behavior, they do not like to retain God in their knowledge which results in God giving them over to a reprobate mind to continue in their repulsive activities.

29 – 32 – because they have reprobate minds, they engage in the horrid behaviors described in these verses.

Like fingerprints we can all offer our opinions.

See above … that is straight Scripture.

Its the genealogy Son of man that has flesh, the temporal seen. The Son of God not seen is our high priest continually without beginning of days or end of life. He has no literal mother and father, no genealogy, as if he was a man as us.

Since the Lord Jesus Christ is not "a man as us", why do you continue to insist that His flesh was corrupt as ours?

He could not serve as High Priest if there was any corruption in Him.

He could not offer Himself without blemish and without spot if there was any corruption in Him.

You really need to understand exactly what is revealed in the OT offerings and the service of the High Priest. You might just come away with the understanding that there was absolutely no corruption in the Lord Jesus Christ. You would understand why there could be no corruption in Him. He had to be spotless in order to offer Himself to the Father. If there were any spot or blemish (corruption) in Him, His offering would have been an abomination to God (Deut 17:1).

Don't blame God for Adam's sin. It was Adam who "corrupted the whole creation".

I would think it was God who corrupted it when mankind disobeyed his voice......

Do you believe God's creation would have remained uncorrupted if Adam had not disobeyed? (a simple yes or no will do ... I do not need another tirade from your "eternal unseen").

hearing the voice of a stranger death came.

It was not through "the hearing of a stranger death came". Death came because Adam did not obey God.

It is not a sin to be tempted. It is sin when we are drawn away of our own lusts and enticed; when lusts conceives, sin is the result (James 1:13-15).

Temptation in and of itself is not sin. The Lord Jesus Christ was in all points tempted like as we are yet without sin (Heb 4:15).

According to James 1:12, we are blessed when we endure temptation and yet do not sin.

Faith that came form hearing God departed .

No faith did not depart. Read Hebrews 11 … by faith Abel … by faith Enoch … by faith Noah, etc., etc.

 

[presidente]

Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Can we not safely extrapolate from this that angels do not procreate?

The angels in heaven do not marry. Were the 'sons of God' who did these things in heaven?

Jude said,
"6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. "


The II Peter 2 version of the argument follows the sequence of events in Genesis
- the sons of God and the daughters of men.
- the flood
- the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Compare to these verses from II Peter 2

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Jude and II Peter are extremely similar, also.

 

[garee]

How would you know angels cannot multiply? Where does the Bible say this? The interpretation, an ancient one, that the 'sons of God' in Genesis are what we loosely call angels is ancient and many in the early church held to it. It is also consistent with the order of events laid out in Jude and II Peter 2, about the angels not staying in their proper abode before the reference to the flood.

Seeing God does create after kinds. Other than spirit ministers have no DNA by which they could shape shift. Like the Hollywood kind. ?

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

Not this part of the earlier church.it does not hold messengers as beings with no form, magically talking on form.

Even Satan in the garden as a lying minster put his lies on the tongue a of a created being. Just as he did with Peter. There is not two Peters one cloned, the other the pattern .

The wrong kind of sons of God. The suffix of God as believers. They mingled with daughter of men .Of men being the suffix mankind that denotes flesh and blood. The word of God simply informs us the were unevenly yoked .Putting the seed Christ in jeopardy. They were men of renown son of God . Renown is in used in in respect to fallen mankind not fallen angels that have no form for a ministering spirts of the gospel. They represent God's spirits of truth .Not subject to salvation.

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, (not angel) for that he (men) also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.(not angels) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men (not angels) which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6

Numbers 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown

Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Those who opposed the will of God that worked in the renown, David. Had they own hero's like Goliath . He seemed like a grasshopper to God's renown David. Got that little stone sunk into his forehead right between the eyes God gave him a shove and he fell on his face

No sons of angels? Son of men and sons of God, yes. No Satan Juniors one of a kind

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


Philippians 2:15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;


1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we (as messengers) should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.


1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

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The angels in heaven do not marry. Were the 'sons of God' who did these things in heaven?

Jude said,
"6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. "

The II Peter 2 version of the argument follows the sequence of events in Genesis
- the sons of God and the daughters of men.
- the flood
- the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Compare to these verses from II Peter 2

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Jude and II Peter are extremely similar, also.

Hmm, yes, angels in chains, angels cast into hell, delivered unto chains of darkness reserved unto judgement does not sound like they are free to go about taking on human form to copulate with humans. In fact NOWHERE in Scripture are we told that any angel at any time or any place took on human form aside from carrying out the explicit will of God.