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I think it’s equally difficult to proof evidence that some animals have adapted through blind interaction. And the design levels at which can be seen and witnessed is very hard to say it wasn’t a thought design. these animals are one of kind in areas no where else found, how can nature just go rogue completely flip flop from other jellyfish salamander frog a whole ego system without making a decision to do so it doesn’t line up at all in my opinion.

a jellyfish that doesn’t die unless it’s eaten or disease get it, it will just start over and over what other animal can do that none only one.


Axolotl’s can grows back spines any limb 1/3 the heart and it’s brain, without scar tissue and perfectly like the one it lost


science thinks the underbelly of the glass frog is for helping in camouflage yea they don’t know period.


A whole ego system around one island no where on earth is like this, yea while the continents are moving and changing the landscape of every continent.

 
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Blind interaction adaptation I think has a lot more to prove about how nature can design things without any thought about it.
 
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The barrel eye fish, ok this is one wild fish, nature decided this or blindly decided this fish needs tree top eyes in a aquarium type skull, yea ok.

 
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The barrel eye fish, ok this is one wild fish, nature decided this or blindly decided this fish needs tree top eyes in a aquarium type skull, yea ok.

Do I have to explain how evolution works, there is no one choosing to become something else or evolve some kind of new ability to be better able to survive, that happens through a process called natural selection.
Nature doesn't decide anything, the organism's population changes through genetic drift, mutations gene duplication and it causes the organism to have new traits which their parents might not have, evolution is heavily driven by heredity where changes compound over time and eventually even form new species. Some changes can be observed in a very short time for example, in geographical isolation. a species which can not interbreed because of mountains, valleys, or other obstacles becomes less alike and can no longer interbreed to form fertile offspring. If/when they meet again. Note in evolution you can not outgrow your ancestry, dog will always be a dog it will never give birth something else that is from another order say a cat or a lizard.

If you need materiel on evolution: here is a playlist with sources in the description.

And here is the systematic classification broken down in video format. if you want to read about it try here.
 
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Do I have to explain how evolution works, there is no one choosing to become something else or evolve some kind of new ability to be better able to survive, that happens through a process called natural selection.
Nature doesn't decide anything, the organism's population changes through genetic drift, mutations gene duplication and it causes the organism to have new traits which their parents might not have, evolution is heavily driven by heredity where changes compound over time and eventually even form new species. Some changes can be observed in a very short time for example, in geographical isolation. a species which can not interbreed because of mountains, valleys, or other obstacles becomes less alike and can no longer interbreed to form fertile offspring. If/when they meet again. Note in evolution you can not outgrow your ancestry, dog will always be a dog it will never give birth something else that is from another order say a cat or a lizard.

If you need materiel on evolution: here is a playlist with sources in the description.

And here is the systematic classification broken down in video format. if you want to read about it try here.

the immortal jellyfish there’s no other creature that does that at all, do you have any information on animals reverting back to as it was first born and doing it over and over again?


Natural selection is making a selection that doesn’t happen without a choice to do it
 
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The glass frog biologist have not a clue as to why it’s underbelly is see through. who needs to see the organs of the frog a snake no the snake don’t care.
 
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If you believe life started at a point in time in history no matter how long ago, what did that life select from what to get started what was the gene drift in the beginning of life. can’t start with just one thing that popped into exist from thin air and started drifting. even one thing has to come from something
 

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No, Agnostic is a compromise word that atheist that are afraid use.
Agnostic - definition
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Atheist - definition
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
 
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Evolution is basically in steps drift selection etc, or what ever, but the problem with evolution it only goes back to so far to where they only say something like quantum fluctuations started the first atoms, well that’s flawed for even that quantum material is made of something to fluctuate what is beyond quantum material. it only can goes back but so far because nothing can’t make something
 
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They Had me scratching for sec on the virtual particles thing but I wasn’t listening real close and yea after looking back on the virtual vids, sure enough it’s takes particles in the physical or in a quantum field to create virtual particles thus universe from nothing is a stretch.

 
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Evolution is basically in steps drift selection etc, or what ever, but the problem with evolution it only goes back to so far to where they only say something like quantum fluctuations started the first atoms, well that’s flawed for even that quantum material is made of something to fluctuate what is beyond quantum material. it only can goes back but so far because nothing can’t make something
I didn't post those sources above for nothing, you have to read them or at least watch them to understand the principles of evolution, claims like "What did that life select from what to get started what was the gene drift in the beginning of life "
Evolution is not a theory to explain how life came to be on Earth, but how it diversifies. You show clear lack on understanding of what evolution is and what it is meant to explain.

Abiogenesis, or informally the (origin of life) is the theory of how life as we know started and it has many hypothesise, There is no single, generally accepted model for the origin of life. Scientists have proposed several plausible hypotheses, which share some common elements. While differing in the details, these hypotheses are based on the framework laid out by Alexander Oparin in early 1900s basically stating that all life began from from single self replicating cell.

If you have a bone to pick with the scientific hypothesises presented point out what are your points of contention and I will try to clarify.
 
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Agnostic - definition
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Atheist - definition
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Yes, but I am an Atheist to your God, just as I am an atheist to many other Gods out there Allah, Zues,Odin, Vishnu, Shiva, and so on ...
But I am open to the idea that there is a God and he/she/it can be known.

So to clarify, I disbelieve or lack belief in the existence of Jesus as God in the same way I lack belief in other Gods I stated names of above.

This would also make you an atheist to the same G/gods that I lack belief in except for Jesus.
 

Magenta

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Yes, but I am an Atheist to your God, just as I am an atheist to many other Gods out there Allah, Zues,Odin, Vishnu, Shiva, and so on ...
But I am open to the idea that there is a God and he/she/it can be known.

So to clarify, I disbelieve or lack belief in the existence of Jesus as God in the same way I lack belief in other Gods I stated names of above.

This would also make you an atheist to the same G/gods that I lack belief in except for Jesus.
Wrong. I have noticed while scanning through some of your recent posts that you give false definitions for words. Anyone who believes in God is by definition a THEIST. Rejecting false gods does not make a THEIST an atheist as you claim. Theist definition: a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. One does NOT have to accept all proposed gods in order to be a Theist.
 
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Do I have to explain how evolution works, there is no one choosing to become something else or evolve some kind of new ability to be better able to survive, that happens through a process called natural selection.
Nature doesn't decide anything, the organism's population changes through genetic drift, mutations gene duplication and it causes the organism to have new traits which their parents might not have, evolution is heavily driven by heredity where changes compound over time and eventually even form new species. Some changes can be observed in a very short time for example, in geographical isolation. a species which can not interbreed because of mountains, valleys, or other obstacles becomes less alike and can no longer interbreed to form fertile offspring. If/when they meet again. Note in evolution you can not outgrow your ancestry, dog will always be a dog it will never give birth something else that is from another order say a cat or a lizard.

If you need materiel on evolution: here is a playlist with sources in the description.

And here is the systematic classification broken down in video format. if you want to read about it try here.
I did I’ve look at many models of evolution, I have no problem with a beginner creating a seed and water and letting the results flourish or any other life on earth or in the universe, that doesn’t X out a creator.

a hypothetical view is just that hypothetical what the guy Alexander Oparin said in early 1900s basically stating that all life began from from single self replicating cell is completely bogus nothing can start from nothing, even a self replic cell can’t start from nothing that is just deliberately wanting to X out a creator with no real theory.
 
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I have no problem with in the beginning God created the heaven and earth, AKA hydrogen and helium most people don’t look at that way. I have no problem with a creator creating a sun that will supernova and those raw elements being the building block of life that doesn’t X a creator in my view. for hypothesis let’s say we live a infinite life would anyone ever do anything quickly. I don’t think so I would let a 1000 yrs go by and watch one blade of grass grow.
 
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If people believe there is mathematics in developing life, people didn’t start the developed life people have only figured out the learned mathematics behind developing life.
 
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We probably all have seen one of the people from the title in action at some point in our lives, we seen people perform seemingly un-explainable feats
Yet under closer examination all of them abide the laws of physics and have a natural explanation. There was zero magic tricks performed under a scientific setting that proved to be unexplained by what we know about the natural world. James Randi a "magician" by trade, but a sceptic of the spiritual had issued a 1 million prize to anyone who could prove in a scientific setting that such forces exist, yet no one was able to claim it for last 60 years.

If demons, evil spirits , fallen angels , ghosts and other unseen forces are real why have we never been able to observe a single instance since the invention of the camera.

And if they are not real how can we believe in faith healing and other acts recorded in the bible as something more then just metaphors and myth stories like Zues and other god's leading up to that time ?

I don't know about that other stuff but I love watching magicians!!! It's just innocent fun...
 
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They Had me scratching for sec on the virtual particles thing but I wasn’t listening real close and yea after looking back on the virtual vids, sure enough it’s takes particles in the physical or in a quantum field to create virtual particles thus universe from nothing is a stretch.

Universe from no thing,
Wrong. I have noticed while scanning through some of your recent posts that you give false definitions for words. Anyone who believes in God is by definition a THEIST. Rejecting false gods does not make a THEIST an atheist as you claim. Theist definition: a person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. One does NOT have to accept all proposed gods in order to be a Theist.
Seems like you really hate the word Atheist, it just means not convinced of the existence of some God or Gods, In my case I'm not convinced of your God.
 
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I did I’ve look at many models of evolution, I have no problem with a beginner creating a seed and water and letting the results flourish or any other life on earth or in the universe, that doesn’t X out a creator.

a hypothetical view is just that hypothetical what the guy Alexander Oparin said in early 1900s basically stating that all life began from from single self replicating cell is completely bogus nothing can start from nothing, even a self replic cell can’t start from nothing that is just deliberately wanting to X out a creator with no real theory.
He never said something comes from nothing, he stated life began from the first self replicating cell.
 

Magenta

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Seems like you really hate the word Atheist, it just means not convinced of the existence of some God or Gods, In my case I'm not convinced of your God.
Seems like you really hate defining words properly. Good luck with that.

A Theist is NOT an atheist no matter how ridiculously you want to define it.