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UnderGrace said:
Agree, but the gentile was never under the law correct?
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Indirectly.......is the best way to see it in my view......I.E....Gentiles are still condemned under the curse of death applied unto Adam because of our fallen nature which is condemned by that internal application of the guilt found in the law if that makes sense

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law,
 
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mailmandan said:
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Indeed @mailmandan

Theology Fail!!

The law cannot be infused into grace!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Indirectly.......is the best way to see it in my view......I.E....Gentiles are still condemned under the curse of death applied unto Adam because of our fallen nature which is condemned by that internal application of the guilt found in the law if that makes sense

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law,
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So then .... to adopt the law as a gentile is working even more backwards if such a thing were possible.
 
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Have a dear friend that sees me as his son getting a pace maker today in St. Lukes Hospital in St. Louis today at 930...gonna head that way (about 1.5 hour drive one way) in a few minutes....names Al....he was like...pray for me haha! I asked the nurses if we could schedule a tongue ectomy hahahahahaaa
 
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You know you really have to be careful with these gifs. A few weeks ago I was going to post a gif of a cat drinking hot coffee with the steam. Upon closer inspection I realised it was a cat smoking weed. Luckily I didn't post it because I was going to caption it " a great way to start the day" :eek:
 
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Ruby123 said:
You know you really have to be careful with these gifs. A few weeks ago I was going to post a gif of a cat drinking hot coffee with the steam. Upon closer inspection I realised it was a cat smoking weed. Luckily I didn't post it because I was going to caption it " a great way to start the day" :eek:
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Hahaahha we would have laughed at it....... ;)
 
dcontroversal said:
Have a dear friend that sees me as his son getting a pace maker today in St. Lukes Hospital in St. Louis today at 930...ginna head that way (about 1.5 hour drive one way) in a few minutes....names Al....he was like...pray for me haha! I asked the nurses if we could schedule a tongue ectomy hahahahahaaa
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You seem to like numbers, facts and figures :) I noticed that hahaha
 
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gb9 said:
yes, I do put God's Word first. I have been over many verses and Bible facts with you ( such as Leviticus 26 making it 100% clear that the Covenant that contained the Law and the 10 Commands was made ONLY with those who came out of Egypt).

but, you do not care. the greek word ( the language that the N.T. is written in) does NOT divide the Law into multiple parts. one word, one law.

why should I keep telling this when you only care about studying your own thoughts , and not look at these facts??
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Because I only ever see your words, Not His.
 
mailmandan said:
Amen! Sadly, I have witnessed numerous misguided teachers of the law do just that and the end result is salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
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Yes, indeed...... BDF has been a real eye opener for me.
Agree, it is sometimes very subtle... other times more blatant.
 
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dcontroversal said:
No one has ever received forgiveness through the blood of animals....Hebrews states clearly it was impossible for the blood of goats and cattle to bring FORGIVENESS OF SINS.....you have a lot to unlearn and relearn.....them offering blood was them LOOKING forward to that which would come.......and there are MANY pictures, types and shadows found in the O.T. pointing to CHRIST!
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Sorry, atonement.
 
gb9 said:
yes, I do put God's Word first. I have been over many verses and Bible facts with you ( such as Leviticus 26 making it 100% clear that the Covenant that contained the Law and the 10 Commands was made ONLY with those who came out of Egypt).

but, you do not care. the greek word ( the language that the N.T. is written in) does NOT divide the Law into multiple parts. one word, one law.

why should I keep telling this when you only care about studying your own thoughts , and not look at these facts??
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Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.


Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

1 Timothy 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.


Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day and stood up for to read.

Luke 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 
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John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
James 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Proverbs 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.
 
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