Is unconditional election biblical?
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does it bother you so much that people choose Christ that you continue to deny it?
you are not the one who decides
God does not respect one person over another
God is the Savior of all who believe and as scripture states, He does want ALL to come to Him
that is His plan, from the beginning, and no amount of saying otherwise is going to change that
you are not the one who decides
God does not respect one person over another
God is the Savior of all who believe and as scripture states, He does want ALL to come to Him
that is His plan, from the beginning, and no amount of saying otherwise is going to change that
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All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will never cast out
(John 6:37)
- everyone who the Father gives to Him come to Him
- everyone who hears the Father and learns from Him comes to Him
- no one who comes to Him is ever cast out?
does not everyone who hears the Father learn from Him?
is not everyone given to Him by the Father?
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something about what Jesus says sounds irresistible & secure:
everyone given to Him comes.
everyone who hears the Father and learns from Him comes.
no one who comes is cast out, ever
there's no 'everyone who is given to Him comes, if they also choose for themselves to' clause here??
if it's the Spirit that causes the ear to hear and the heart to learn, then it's not me that opens my ears, not me that opens my heart.
doesn't sound like it's me choosing, but God ordaining - the Father gives me to the Son, and the Father draws me by His Spirit, and the Father opens my heart and ears to hear Him and learn from Him, and i come to the Son - no "if" but "all the Father gives will come"
this all sounds like God's work, where does it come down to me deciding for myself to be drawn, to hear, to learn, to come?
this seems to line up with John 6
everyone given to Him comes.
everyone who hears the Father and learns from Him comes.
no one who comes is cast out, ever
there's no 'everyone who is given to Him comes, if they also choose for themselves to' clause here??
if it's the Spirit that causes the ear to hear and the heart to learn, then it's not me that opens my ears, not me that opens my heart.
doesn't sound like it's me choosing, but God ordaining - the Father gives me to the Son, and the Father draws me by His Spirit, and the Father opens my heart and ears to hear Him and learn from Him, and i come to the Son - no "if" but "all the Father gives will come"
this all sounds like God's work, where does it come down to me deciding for myself to be drawn, to hear, to learn, to come?
this seems to line up with John 6
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John 6:63-65
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."
the Lord says, some of you do not believe, and that is why He told us that no one can come to Him unless it is granted by the Father.
Why does it follow from the fact that some do not believe that to come to Him is something that must be GRANTED by the Father?
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."
the Lord says, some of you do not believe, and that is why He told us that no one can come to Him unless it is granted by the Father.
Why does it follow from the fact that some do not believe that to come to Him is something that must be GRANTED by the Father?
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Were all Gentiles unable to believe in God before something happened? Were all Jews able to believe? Are they now? Does it say anywhere in scripture that someone or some class of people were/are unable to believe?
Is there anything in the letter to the Philippians believers that mentions them being Gentile? Or indicates that Paul is writing about some difference between Gentiles and Jews? It reads to me like he's personally addressing a specific group of individuals, not commenting on ethnic classes in a general way.
Is there anything in the letter to the Philippians believers that mentions them being Gentile? Or indicates that Paul is writing about some difference between Gentiles and Jews? It reads to me like he's personally addressing a specific group of individuals, not commenting on ethnic classes in a general way.
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not even close
make up your minds...either grace is irresistable or the Holy Spirit draws people
do you not understand how the Holy Spirit works?
my post:
drawing is the work of the Holy Spirit
now ask yourself why the Holy Spirit would have to DRAW someone to Jesus if God had already decided His irresistable grace would suffice
you cannot reconcile TULIP with the truth of the gospel
and God is not giving out trophies for it either
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maybe try to answer about what I referred to instead of trying to make it sound like I did not refer to scripture when I absolutely did
last time we had a little conversation, you stated you just want to talk about scripture ...so go for it
now is your chance
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