Prayer of the Arminian, Charles Spurgeon
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Hardly. God's mercy on display.
Here you go...get past the first 10 mins...
Great message from http://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/56-2
Here you go...get past the first 10 mins...
Great message from http://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/56-2
Who has knowledge of the scriptures? Is it the one that avoids explaining scriptures that he does not know how to explain or is it the one who gives an explanation for every scripture that is presented to him? You have been secured with a heavenly home, I have no doubt, but you suffer from a lack of knowledge of the scriptures and are going about trying to establish your own righteousness by your good works. You stand in need of being taught the truth of the gospel.
The gospel is the good news, in the fact that it explains to the child of God how he has been secured a heavenly home by the finished work of Christ on the cross. The gospel was not intended by God to eternally save all of mankind and that is why Jesus instructed his Apostles to go and preach the gospel to the lost sheep (his elect) of the house of Israel (Jacob whose name God changed to be called Israel, Gen 32:28), not the nation of Israel. Most of God's children are babes in Christ and do not fully understand the gospel and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness by their good works, as are most on this forum. There is a great need for the gospel to be taught to God's elect who have a lack of knowledge of the gospel. There is a deliverance to the child of God when he understands the full knowledge of the gospel. The inspired scriptures were not designed by God to eternally save souls, but was designed to instruct his children how he wants them to live their lives here on earth.
Since you brought up Israel, the very fact that all Israel was elect, yet all Israel was not saved proves that the Calvinistic nonsense about election has no basis in fact.
If an elect nation -- elected by God - fails to be elected for salvation, it means that no one is elected for salvation or damnation.
If an elect nation -- elected by God - fails to be elected for salvation, it means that no one is elected for salvation or damnation.
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Election is a fact of Scripture. Its everywhere and undeniable....
Rom 9
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.” That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
"for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.” Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”
Rom 9
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.” That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
"for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.” Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”
A related question:
Was Judas doomed to damnation from the moment of his conception?
Somebody had to fulfill the prophecies, and it was him. Evidently he was foreordained to perdition.
John 17
“While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled."
Was Judas doomed to damnation from the moment of his conception?
Somebody had to fulfill the prophecies, and it was him. Evidently he was foreordained to perdition.
John 17
“While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled."
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Rom 11
Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? “Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE.” But what is the divine response to him? “I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL.” In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? “Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE.” But what is the divine response to him? “I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL.” In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
This is not exactly related but simply shows that God elects INDIVIDUALS for specific purposes. He also elected Saul of Tarsus (the persecutor of Christ) to become Paul the apostle of Christ. He also chose the other eleven very specifically to fulfil their ministries.
Yes, God knew Judas Iscariot before he was born (just as He knew Pharaoh, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and every *monster* that walked this earth). He allowed these evildoers to be born, to exist, and to do their evil deeds. But God did not cause them to do evil. That evil was within them, just as it was in Cain (who was of that Wicked One). Were these evil me possessed by Satan or by evil spirits? More than likely. But first they chose evil over good.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (John 3:19,20)
Yes, God knew Judas Iscariot before he was born (just as He knew Pharaoh, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and every *monster* that walked this earth). He allowed these evildoers to be born, to exist, and to do their evil deeds. But God did not cause them to do evil. That evil was within them, just as it was in Cain (who was of that Wicked One). Were these evil me possessed by Satan or by evil spirits? More than likely. But first they chose evil over good.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (John 3:19,20)
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how does that even begin to apply to limited atonement?
how do you reconcile the fact that the Bible states that hell was not created for people, but that it was created for the devil and his angels?
this completely negates the Calvininism position that God has created people to throw into hell
Calvinism creates a god of whimsy and cannot reconcile those beliefs with what the Bible actually states
yes God obviously selected certain people and still does, but in what way shape or form, do we learn that means he chooses a whole bunch of people to burn in hell...creates them with the sole purpose of sending them to hell?
nowhere
that is one of the particularly unbiblical concepts produced by Calvin's deceived mind
how do you reconcile the fact that the Bible states that hell was not created for people, but that it was created for the devil and his angels?
this completely negates the Calvininism position that God has created people to throw into hell
Calvinism creates a god of whimsy and cannot reconcile those beliefs with what the Bible actually states
yes God obviously selected certain people and still does, but in what way shape or form, do we learn that means he chooses a whole bunch of people to burn in hell...creates them with the sole purpose of sending them to hell?
nowhere
that is one of the particularly unbiblical concepts produced by Calvin's deceived mind
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