Let us see how well that turns out for you in a few years when the Messiah appears.
Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Let us see how well that turns out for you in a few years when the Messiah appears.
The yoke is the circumcision of the flesh specifically, which is no longer required under the new covenant, not the entire Torah itself. Why is this so difficult for you people to understand? If you continue on this path soon enough you will find out the hard way that indeed the Torah was still binding, and wailing you will have wished you had listened to me.
Nope; he already failed that one; according to his own words, he doesn't tithe.
Oh, my wonderment didn't last long!
I understand why you believe Christians are under the Law: Jesus, during his walk on planet Earth, never told anyone to stop keeping the law of Moses. For a long time Christian Jews continued keeping the law and the Council of Jerusalem only took place some 20 years after the cross.
It is Gods love that brings His children to him, not persuasion or fear. It is obvious you don't believe in the work Jesus was sent to do and all He accomplished by His sacrifice because you keep the bondage to death and sin from the OT instead of the ministry of Love and Forgiveness that Jesus shed His blood to seal. You can't be married to 2 people at the same time. That is adultery. All the laws that were to be "brought" from the law of Moses are found in the NT.
I am not saying "they are abolished" as far as to follow them spiritually, or the need to study them for wisdom and knowledge and edification and warning but most of all to bring us to Christ. But, since that day NOT THE COVENANT we are "under". Not a jot or tittle are we to take away as it is Gods Truth and man has no right to touch its perfectness and glory. But they are "obsolete" as far as the "Law" we are under. We are "under GRACE". God wants our love. When you love God you love the Word. The Word makes you see and get to know God. Your love returning to God compels you obey. It isn't out of fear "because you burn forever". It is out of love, wish, want, desire, need.
It is the physical act of "man shall not dress as a woman" covered in the verse below, just as love your brother as yourself, covers righteous weights and quantities and interest to a brother.
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient
Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity whisperers,
Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful
Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.
God sent us out into the world. He knows we must live in the world. Just live it Holy and with Love.
Why was a new covenant needed? Because the law was followed "by the letter of it", not through the love is was to produce, just as it seems you do now.
We are to strive to walk a Holy life in obedience to His ways. That obedience is now under Grace, as death has been defeated. We can only come to a full understanding of what is Holy to God through the OT and the NT together. The law can't be abolished, but we can move forward to a better way under Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
I asked you some questions. Will you be answering them? I will ask them one more time
What do these verses mean to you?
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross
Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
(The Perfect Glorious Law, it failed at nothing, man not so much, but the realization of the glorious ness? of the law makes me want to know all I can about it)
Your first statement is just a pure insult. Your last statement is a pure lie, (not saying there are not Kenites running around) as we are not in Satans Tribulation right now. The way you have it is a person could die with the mark of the beast today. But no one has partaken of the HIS SYSTEM because the beast has not received the deadly wound, and Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Coming to deceive the whole world. Super natural powers, lying wonder, putting on the big show of Deception. The world will know when Satan arrives, no secrets there. That is when you best have on the full gospel armor so that you know what to do, what not to do, what to say, what not to say, who to listen to...
God sent his people out to war all the time. You don't think they just girded up their loins and walked up to the enemy do yo? The nuns are ready to throw down on evil. I guess it is all in how you perceive it.
Indeed it will, hence the millennial temple in Ezekiel that speaks of offerings.
@gaviriachristian
Hi, welcome to CC!
Would you be interested in having a respectful sustained discussion about whether Christians are to keep the laws that Moses wrote down in the wilderness? And if so how they are to keep them?
If you are interested, then I would begin here. For me, this verse settles the question.
Galatians 5: 18. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Hi, welcome to CC!
Would you be interested in having a respectful sustained discussion about whether Christians are to keep the laws that Moses wrote down in the wilderness? And if so how they are to keep them?
If you are interested, then I would begin here. For me, this verse settles the question.
Galatians 5: 18. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
The Torah is still binding, and through the Torah we have the knowledge of sin. If you discard the knowledge of sin you can never truly repent from sin. And yes, paper money and fiat currency is indeed the mark of the beast. God has chosen to condemn the world through money in this last generation, and whoever wishes to be delivered must get rid of all money to lift the curse of the mark of the beast, for all who possess paper money and fiat currency will be thrown into the lake of lava per the curse in Revelation.
This is true, not because the Torah is discarded, but because anyone who receives the airflow of God is freed from sin, and in this way, is caused to obey the Torah, perfectly, which is why it is written, "and I will put my airflow in you and cause you to walk in my statutes". And this is why someone who is led by the airflow is no longer under the written Torah, for a man that is no longer under sin can no longer be under a Torah that reveals what sin is. But as long as you continue to sin, you are still a slave to sin, and are therefore still under the written Torah, and accused by it, and cursed by it, and condemned by it. But never is there a point where the Torah is discarded, whether being led by the airflow, or being a slave to sin, for "you shall not steal" and "you shall not murder" will always remain binding in either context.
This clearly contradicts Paul's teaching in Galatians 3:
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced[b] so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
Unless the temple of which Ezekiel spoke was the one rebuilt by the decree of Cyrus, as described in Ezra.
The "works of the Torah" means circumcision of the flesh and weekly shabbath rest, which are no longer required to be observed under the new covenant, not setting aside the entire Torah. There is a difference between obeying the Torah through belief in Yeshuah, where "works of the Torah" such as those two examples are no longer necessary to be observed to receive the airflow of God, and completely discarding the entire Torah, which is torahlessness, which is worse than disbelief in Yeshuah, which is one reason why worse wrath is coming upon the Gentiles who claim to be believers than the Jews who disbelieve in Yeshuah but at the very least have the Torah.
The second temple built on Mount Moriah is not the temple of Ezekiel by any stretch of the imagination. The temple of Ezekiel will be built on Mount Zion, when it rises as the tallest of all the mountains on the earth, at the second coming of the Messiah. And a river of water will flow from this temple to the east to the Dead Sea, and cause it to become living. A river of lava will also flow from Mount Zion to the north to Jerusalem, and form into a lake of lava outside the southern wall of Jerusalem, in the Valley of Hinnom, which is what Gehenna means. There the nations will be thrown to die an agonizing death.
Wow. Is there anything else you'd like to add to Scripture while you're on a roll? I'll go with what the text actually says, which is "works of the law". Paul didn't limit it to circumcision and sabbath observance.
Your view on the wrath against unbelieving gentiles is completely without biblical foundation.
if circumcision is not required how do you choose what is required from torah and what isnt?
some parts of torah are done away with but not all? seems confusing. i think its easy. what commands new testament repeats are for the church. simple.