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I have tried the literalist approach .Which is if it makes any sense don't search for the hidden eternal, gospel understanding. Forget about the signified prescription for rightly diving parables which without Jesus spoke not. . hiding the unseen understanding.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Three times when doing the will of the father Jesus asked for help and did not receive it from the disciples .You can dismiss it . But I don't think it was for nothing just to fill the page.
If you look at the catholic version of the Passion of Christ. Mary is walking around during that work in the garden giving the devil an evil eye as if she had a part in the work of the father and Son. God will not share that glory with mankind. No help was given by the disciples.
Nothing escapes the will of the father. The same will that worked in the disciples put to sleep . Jesus even asked Peter stay awake I am suffering I need your support. The work is reckoned after two . The disciples did no work to secure salvation.
I try to follow the inspired and signified understanding. The literalist must stay far from it as in. They say. Don't look to the signified understanding, walk by sight..
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he "sent" and "signified" it by his angel unto his servant John:
Jesus did not ask three times for the disciples to pray with or for Him.
In Matt 26:36-38 and Mark 14:34, Jesus asked Peter, James, John to watch with Him while He prayed. He then went a little further into the garden and prayed. When He returned to the three, He found them sleeping and He spoke to Peter (Matt 26:40-41, Mark 14:37-38) and asked "could you not watch with me one hour" .
Jesus then left the three to again be alone while He prayed to Father. When He returned to the three, He again found them sleeping, but He did not say anything to them (Matt 26:43-44, Mark 14:40).
Jesus again left the three while He prayed to Father. He again found the three sleeping when He returned to them. At that point, He told the three to sleep on (Matt 26:45, Mark 14:41).
What Jesus did three times was to pray to Father to ask that the cup pass from Him and each time the reply was that the cup could not pass and Jesus' response was "not My will, but Thy will".
You have absolutely no Scripture (chapter and verse) which states that God "worked in the disciples put to sleep".
Just stick to what is written. There is no indication that God "worked in the disciples put to sleep".
So according to you, when someone sticks to what is written in Scripture, that is walking by sight?
Some of us prefer to follow the example of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... "it is written" ...
We all know the the redemption of mankind rests solely on the Lord Jesus Christ and His doing the will of the Father. Even if Peter, James, John had stayed awake to watch (Matt 26:38, Mark 14:34) as Jesus prayed, we would still understand that redemption rests solely in the Lord Jesus Christ.
No, you are wrong....I said no one bowed down and worshipped him in respect to the flesh, that seen, the temporal. When accused of being good master he replied; only God not seen is good. Call no one on earth teaching Master. One is our teacher in heaven. No man could serve both the temporal flesh. . and the unseen eternal Spirit. Two teaching authorities
The Son of man, Jesus would never stand in the holy unseen place of the glory of God. When he without a picture ID or DNA sample left. Some did know him by faith but never in respect to what the eyes see( faithless). . We know him no more that way. The one time outward promised "demonstration" is over.
Why crucify him over and over? Some are thinking about building another abomination of desolation .A temple made with human hands as if the veil was not rent. .
Those that did witness his flesh. . which he said profits for nothing. They bowed down to the prompting of the unseen Spirit that worked in them. We walk by faith . Faith to faith as it is written .The unseen understanding to the unseen, also called "face to face" walking in the knowledge of God. God does not have a literal face of a man or Lamb.
He is not a man or a lamb. Simply the Spirit of truth.
Read the previous post, #375. It's right there in black and white.
Context is important even here. If you ignore what happened in the discussion previously, your post is going to seem disconnected and irrelevant. Unfortunately, that is exactly the case with many of your posts. Please, do your homework.
You are denying that Jesus was worshiped. The Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus was worshiped. You are wrong, and no amount of indecipherable gobbledegook is going to make you right.
You stubbornly cling to beliefs that are demonstrably wrong. You base your assertions on these beliefs. You have been told repeatedly that you are wrong, and you have been shown the Scripture that proves you are wrong. Your position on this matter is heretical.
Hi thanks for the reply.
I am not denying God who alone is our good Lord and master (one is) was not worshiped by faith (the unseen work) .But I am denying he was worshipped according to what the eyes see the temporal flesh. God is not a man as us.
Jesus as the Son of man would never stand in the Holy unseen place of glory, as our one source of faith. We can serve one master.
Either we understand after the flesh seen the temporal. . . or our living God not seen. He as God alone works in every believer as the power we have in these earthen bodies of death not of us.(2 Corinthians 4:7)
Luke 18:17-19 King James Version (KJV) Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Remember when he was approached by Thomas the doubter, He required Jesus perform something like the faithless Jews below.
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Made Jesus into a circus seal.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Jesus revealed to Thomas in private, rebuking him because that he had no faith by which he could believe the father in heaven.
Then the commandment giving Thomas the faith came. And after Thomas answered, haven been given the faith. . said unto our God not seen , My Lord and my God. Again, not in respect to what the eyes see but that in which the spirit in the beleiver reveals, the hearing of faith..
John 20:26-28 King James Version (KJV) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
It would be like Peter in Mathew 16 . When Jesus asked Peter. Who do you think I man? Not what do others .You could say as private witness two walking together in agreement. The Father revealed to Peter as a labor of His love, and Peter inspired of God not seen replied ; you are the Christ. . . finishing the agreement .
Men are still worshipping that manner of spirit having a living faith after dead men. Just as if there was a doctrine called Apostolical Succession. A law of venerable men. Flesh and blood venerating corrupted flesh and blood.
Therefore by that oral tradition of men taking away the understanding of all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura ) We defend it, it as it is written defends us as the armor of God..
The faith of Christ comes by hearing God (Not seen) Not looking at corruptible flesh as a snap shot.
From my perspective one simply has to look outdoors. .. its being revealed. Even the whole world sees a dying, corrupted creation they are without excuse . Judgement or movement begins with the church. We as new creatures walk by faith, the unseen invisible God and glorify him as invisible. We do not glory in the flesh .Even the Son of man, Jesus of his own replied it could not profit.
I would offer mankind is created in, not "after" God's image. The image is not found in man's nature or being but rather outside of him in God, the source of the spirit breath of life..
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Romans 1:18-23
So according to you, when someone sticks to what is written in Scripture, that is walking by sight?
Some of us prefer to follow the example of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... "it is written" ...
We all know the the redemption of mankind rests solely on the Lord Jesus Christ and His doing the will of the Father. Even if Peter, James, John had stayed awake to watch (Matt 26:38, Mark 14:34) as Jesus prayed, we would still understand that redemption rests solely in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes solely in the Spirit not seen .The one source of Christian faith .Not after the imaginations of our own fleshly hearts. But a labor of his love that works in us . .working to both will and do His good pleasure (Imputed righteousness) As it is written as someone that sticks to what is written in Scripture.( Sola scriptura) The reforming, restoring authority in any generation.
Jesus prayed, we would still understand that redemption rests solely in the Lord Jesus Christ in respect to his unseen Holy Spirit. . not his flesh. No power comes after what the eyes see.. . . corrupted flesh and blood. Holiness is reserved for the unseen eternal
Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
The one time demonstration is over.
Please provide the Scripture reference wherein Christ prayed that " we would still understand that redemption rests solely in the Lord Jesus Christ in respect to his unseen Holy Spirit". Thank you.
Romans 1:3-5 does not state that Jesus' flesh was corrupted.
The fact that the "one time demonstration" is past history to us, does not mean that we remain completely ignorant, and count as unnecessary, the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ came in the flesh to redeem mankind.
I choose to embrace all Scripture which reveals my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. This includes prophecy concerning His coming ... everything written concerning His life and His earthly ministry ... His continuing ministry as High Priest in the heavenly holy of holies ... His gathering the believers to be with Him forevermore ... His coming in the future as King of kings and Lord of lords.
That you want to blithely ignore a very pivotal aspect of His life and His earthly ministry is your prerogative.
But do not denigrate those of us who choose to honor and respect that aspect of the Lord Jesus Christ which you choose to ignore.
Do not be an accuser of the brethren and infer that we do not walk in faith or that we walk by sight just because you choose to remain ignorant of the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ.
So much irrelevance and so little understanding. You need help. Your position is heresy.
Every man has a heresy as a opinion. I am waiting for the other straight forward question. Do you need help?
Well if we have the history then we are not ignorant. And the demonstration was necessary as a promise. But what the eyes see profited for nothing nada zip .
What the Holy Spirit of Christ performed as not seen did profit . Its where the power to believe God "not seen" comes from.
2 Corinthians 5:6 (For we walk by faith, (the eternal) not by sight (the temporal)
A few verses later it is shown as a object lesson
2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now" henceforth know we him no more.
God is not a man as us. He is the Spirit of Truth that uses human atributes to understand Him who has no form. Not known after the rudiments of this corrupted creation..A pagn oral tradition of man .
God is not a man as us .and neither is there a fleshly infallible mediator set between God and man as a infallible umpire (daysman) .
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. . . . (The eternal not seen)
No one is choosing to dishonor and disrespect that aspect of the Lord Jesus Christ which you choose to ignore as not profiting..
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word, "heresy".
I told you in post #387 where to find the question I had asked. Please at least attempt to do your own homework.
Again I said no one bowed to down and worshiped him according to, in respect of what the eyes see . Flesh. 1+1 =1. Two attributes One God who is eternal Spirit and not a man as us. . . . a corrupted spirit..
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
He said it profits for nothing. The demonstration is over. Its up to us to get over it in the twinkling of the eye .
We walk by faith the unseen eternal.
Sure you are. You have gone so far as to claim that the physical life and earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ " profited for nothing nada zip " because people could see Him with their eyes.
These are your words in Post #394:
"But what the eyes see profited for nothing nada zip ."
So you are unable to provide even one Scripture reference (chapter & verse) wherein Christ prayed that " we would still understand that redemption rests solely in the Lord Jesus Christ in respect to his unseen Holy Spirit" as requested in Post #391?
Got it.
Actually, it is you who chooses to ignore a very pivotal aspect of the life of the Lord Jesus Christ and you who deems it as "not profiting".
And I would appreciate it if you would provide the post submitted by me wherein I stated that there was any aspect of my Lord Jesus Christ which we can "choose to ignore" and/or that was "not profiting".
Also, check out Colossians 1:21-22
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight
If the Lord Jesus Christ had any spot or blemish (i.e. if there was any corruption in His flesh), Christ's offering would have been an abomination to God and God would not have accepted His offering, which means reconciliation has yet to take place and we are still alienated from God and enemies of God.
Sure you are. You have gone so far as to claim that the physical life and earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ " profited for nothing nada zip " because people could see Him with their eyes.
These are your words in Post #394:
"But what the eyes see profited for nothing nada zip ."
So you are unable to provide even one Scripture reference (chapter & verse) wherein Christ prayed that " we would still understand that redemption rests solely in the Lord Jesus Christ in respect to his unseen Holy Spirit" as requested in Post #391?
Got it.
Actually, it is you who chooses to ignore a very pivotal aspect of the life of the Lord Jesus Christ and you who deems it as "not profiting".
And I would appreciate it if you would provide the post submitted by me wherein I stated that there was any aspect of my Lord Jesus Christ which we can "choose to ignore" and/or that was "not profiting".
You did not say his corrupted flesh that aged as in the wrath of God being reveled from heaven did not profit. You are saying it did profit for more that a one time promised demonstration of the unseen work of the Holy Spirt of truth .
What the eyes did not see 'called walking by faith, profited as payment of sin .
The proper 20/20 prescription for rightly dividing must be used. Can't serve two masters .The things of men seen, the temporal, and that not seen, the things of God the eternal
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Which master will a person serve? The things seen of men or the inviable things of God. Again no man can serve two masters
God is not a man as us. He is the Spirit of truth not seen. I did not say His Spirit life profits for nothing as far as redemption. The flesh did not profit as payment of sin. It profited as a one time demonstration of the lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world .The six days he did perform it when he was working.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
What the eyes see profited for nothing nada zip as to the power needed to believe. No such thing as holiness of the corrupted flesh .
That's a Catholic hope by which they crown a queen of heaven.
Salvation is not reckoned after his birth(what the eyes see) but after the unseen Spirit of holiness. .No power is attributed to the flesh
Romans 1:3-4 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
In the corrupted earthen body of death not in respect to. .The flesh he inherited from his mother.Salvation is not in respect to what the eyes see. But through the unseen Spirit. God is not a man as us.
God does not have flesh to offer. He offered the suffering of his soul and spirit, in jeopardy of His own Spirit Life. God is not a man as us with a corruptible body and spirit. He is eternal invisible Spirit .
Some have changed the hidden glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like the flesh of the corruptible son of man.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.18-23
The one time demonstration must of been in respect to sinful flesh typified as corrupted (what you see).This is in order to do what the letter of the law could not do. It kills the unseen Spirit of Christ heals. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, (what the eyes see) but after the Spirit. (what the eyes do not see) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, (the temporal things seen) but after the Spirit. (the eternal things not seen) For they that are after the flesh(what the eyse see) do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. (not seen) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ(unseen) he is none of his. Roman 8 1-9
Did the Son of man have the Spirit of truth living in Him
The Son of man, Jesus like us had the Spirit of Christ as the power to believe God in his dying,earthen body of death. Some did know him while in the flesh .But he has given us clear instruction we known that way no more forever more. He did not become a man as us. It remained us seen God like no other.
2 Corinthians 4:7 King James Version (KJV) But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Not of the Son of man and his temporal earthen body of death. The one time demostration is over. Can you get over it or must you walk by sight after the temporal ?
2 Corinthians 5:16 King James Version (KJV) Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now henceforth" know we him no more.
Garee, you keep saying that the flesh profits "nothing".
Yet Scripture tells us that without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins (Hebrews 9:22). If the crucified flesh of Jesus "profits nothing", then His blood profits nothing either, and we are still in our sins.
Matthew 26:28 "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Colossians 1:19-20 "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."
Hebrews 10:10 "And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
Hebrews 10:19 "Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus"
Please, for the sake of your eternal soul, repent of your foolish heresy and your stubbornness, and humbly submit to sound instruction.