Not By Works
- Thread starter dcontroversal
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
1. This is a bad analogy because the man has confident expectation for sex and not a girlfriend; he already has one
2. Biblically speaking, there's no such thing as premarital sex; sex itself is marriage. A man shall leave his parents and be enjoined to a woman and these two shall be one flesh. They don't become one flesh after exchanging vows and Paul says, the one who enjoins his body to a prostitute has become one flesh with the prostitute.
3. This is not me asking, but Paul:
Rom 8:24..... Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
Do you have anything against what Paul said?
2. Biblically speaking, there's no such thing as premarital sex; sex itself is marriage. A man shall leave his parents and be enjoined to a woman and these two shall be one flesh. They don't become one flesh after exchanging vows and Paul says, the one who enjoins his body to a prostitute has become one flesh with the prostitute.
3. This is not me asking, but Paul:
Rom 8:24..... Who hopes for what they already have? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
Do you have anything against what Paul said?
Ha! You greatly misunderstand me friend. I in no way believe that "knowledge is salvation."
Those who have heard me preach & teach over the years would get quite a chuckle out of that "gnostic" statement!
What Jesus said is "Eternal Life" is to know Him and the Father.
An apparent misunderstanding in the "Christian" Religion today, is that many believe that "salvation" = "Eternal Life."
They are not synonymous. "Salvation" should lead to "Eternal Life" but they are quite different ends of the spectrum.
Those who have heard me preach & teach over the years would get quite a chuckle out of that "gnostic" statement!
What Jesus said is "Eternal Life" is to know Him and the Father.
An apparent misunderstanding in the "Christian" Religion today, is that many believe that "salvation" = "Eternal Life."
They are not synonymous. "Salvation" should lead to "Eternal Life" but they are quite different ends of the spectrum.
-
1
- Show all
"Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous." - 1John 3:7
Imputed righteous gets us started on the Path. But in that Day, we will be judged by actual righteousness.
If we are not actually "practicing righteousness", doing those "righteous deeds" which is what will "clothe us" in that Day, we will not be counted "righteous" in God's sight. (see Rev 19:8)
I posted earlier part one of this teaching on the "Righteousness" that God requires of those who will inherit the Kingdom.
Next is part 2
Imputed righteous gets us started on the Path. But in that Day, we will be judged by actual righteousness.
If we are not actually "practicing righteousness", doing those "righteous deeds" which is what will "clothe us" in that Day, we will not be counted "righteous" in God's sight. (see Rev 19:8)
I posted earlier part one of this teaching on the "Righteousness" that God requires of those who will inherit the Kingdom.
Next is part 2
-
1
- Show all
"...God judge or reward anyone by their confessed belief, their doctrine or statement of faith. He judges and rewards all men according to our works. " This might be a fine statement for God rewards believers according to his works. Remember salvation(made free from sin)/ eternal life is a gift.
Romans 6:22-23
22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
"Of a Truth, our eternal destiny in determined by our obedience and our behavior in this life."
This is not a true statement with no biblical support.
Romans 6:22-23
22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
"Of a Truth, our eternal destiny in determined by our obedience and our behavior in this life."
This is not a true statement with no biblical support.
Exactly! And the Lord is speaking to His people here, not the world.
Jesus says again to God's people in the Gospel's -
‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
- Matt 15:8-9
The doctrines and traditions of men tell us that 'faith alone' makes one worthy, yet the Scripture declares we must be "righteous" in our behavior if God will call us "righteous" in that Day.
Jesus says again to God's people in the Gospel's -
‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
- Matt 15:8-9
The doctrines and traditions of men tell us that 'faith alone' makes one worthy, yet the Scripture declares we must be "righteous" in our behavior if God will call us "righteous" in that Day.
-
1
- Show all
The entire Bible supports that Truth.
I gave only a handful of passages above. Have you read them? I know many haven't heard them from their 'pastor' or 'priest' but God, Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles declared them, so I take the Word of God above the wishful thinking of man.
John 5:28-29 alone is sufficient for me to stand upon what I believe and have been teaching for years now.
"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." - John 5:29-29
No verse can cancel out what Jesus declares here. Period. The Word cannot be broken.
What we do matters tremendously, and determines our place in Eternity.
God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael
I gave only a handful of passages above. Have you read them? I know many haven't heard them from their 'pastor' or 'priest' but God, Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles declared them, so I take the Word of God above the wishful thinking of man.
John 5:28-29 alone is sufficient for me to stand upon what I believe and have been teaching for years now.
"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." - John 5:29-29
No verse can cancel out what Jesus declares here. Period. The Word cannot be broken.
What we do matters tremendously, and determines our place in Eternity.
God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael
U
Wrong, wrong, wrong!!
Our eternal destiny is based on the work and promises of Christ Jesus.
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:13-14
No one, absolutely no one, has yet to answer this question ....maybe you will be the first, but not likely
How many works of righteousness save us, how much good behaviour saves us?
...I want a metric, a numeric value because in Jesus we have 100% perfect
Our eternal destiny is based on the work and promises of Christ Jesus.
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:13-14
No one, absolutely no one, has yet to answer this question ....maybe you will be the first, but not likely
How many works of righteousness save us, how much good behaviour saves us?
...I want a metric, a numeric value because in Jesus we have 100% perfect
-
3
-
1
-
1
- Show all
U
The entire Bible supports that Truth.
I gave only a handful of passages above. Have you read them? I know many haven't heard them from their 'pastor' or 'priest' but God, Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles declared them, so I take the Word of God above the wishful thinking of man.
John 5:28-29 alone is sufficient for me to stand upon what I believe and have been teaching for years now.
"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." - John 5:29-29
No verse can cancel out what Jesus declares here. Period. The Word cannot be broken.
What we do matters tremendously, and determines our place in Eternity.
God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael
I gave only a handful of passages above. Have you read them? I know many haven't heard them from their 'pastor' or 'priest' but God, Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles declared them, so I take the Word of God above the wishful thinking of man.
John 5:28-29 alone is sufficient for me to stand upon what I believe and have been teaching for years now.
"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." - John 5:29-29
No verse can cancel out what Jesus declares here. Period. The Word cannot be broken.
What we do matters tremendously, and determines our place in Eternity.
God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael
Those who have done good have believed on/trusted in Him for the gift of eternal life, a present secure possession for those who have trusted Christ Jesus for it based on HIS work.
-
3
-
1
- Show all
How many? All. We were created for them so we must do all.
Ezek 18:
20...... The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
21“But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
24“But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
25“Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die. 27But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. 28Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die. 29Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?
Ezek 18:
20...... The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
21“But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
24“But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
25“Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die. 27But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. 28Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die. 29Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?
-
1
- Show all
U
"Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous." - 1John 3:7
Imputed righteous gets us started on the Path. But in that Day, we will be judged by actual righteousness.
If we are not actually "practicing righteousness", doing those "righteous deeds" which is what will "clothe us" in that Day, we will not be counted "righteous" in God's sight. (see Rev 19:8)
I posted earlier part one of this teaching on the "Righteousness" that God requires of those who will inherit the Kingdom.
Next is part 2
Imputed righteous gets us started on the Path. But in that Day, we will be judged by actual righteousness.
If we are not actually "practicing righteousness", doing those "righteous deeds" which is what will "clothe us" in that Day, we will not be counted "righteous" in God's sight. (see Rev 19:8)
I posted earlier part one of this teaching on the "Righteousness" that God requires of those who will inherit the Kingdom.
Next is part 2
It is a complete offense!!
-
1
-
1
- Show all
The entire Bible supports that Truth.
I gave only a handful of passages above. Have you read them? I know many haven't heard them from their 'pastor' or 'priest' but God, Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles declared them, so I take the Word of God above the wishful thinking of man.
John 5:28-29 alone is sufficient for me to stand upon what I believe and have been teaching for years now.
"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." - John 5:29-29
No verse can cancel out what Jesus declares here. Period. The Word cannot be broken.
What we do matters tremendously, and determines our place in Eternity.
God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael
I gave only a handful of passages above. Have you read them? I know many haven't heard them from their 'pastor' or 'priest' but God, Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles declared them, so I take the Word of God above the wishful thinking of man.
John 5:28-29 alone is sufficient for me to stand upon what I believe and have been teaching for years now.
"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." - John 5:29-29
No verse can cancel out what Jesus declares here. Period. The Word cannot be broken.
What we do matters tremendously, and determines our place in Eternity.
God's Wisdom and Understanding to all,
Michael
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
So that those who believeth in him have everlasting life, it follows then that are they who do good things in God's sight. But for those who believeth not which followed evil will be to eternal damnation as they get resurrected.