Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Actually not a modern misunderstanding, the correct understanding.... your undersanding is the faulty Roman Catholic understanding

- 2Cor 6:17-18 <<<<< what is in view here,

Connect this to the audience at the time and to whom it was written, in other words use proper hermeneutics.

Amen!

 

[dcontroversal]

Could change one's mind also refer to renewing the mind?

Romans 12 renewing the mind is a process of transformation over time and possible because of the spiritual birth

 

[Lightskin]

The word "believe" = the Greek word pisteuo = Strong's definition = " Pisteuo means NOT just to believe!"= Wakeup!

What works did you do today to maintain your salvation?

 

[Pisteuo]

Romans 12 renewing the mind is a process of transformation over time and possible because of the spiritual birth

For those who begin the salvation journey correctly. Not for those who just "believe."

 

[dcontroversal]

true that.

David -->Bathsheba, Uriah <--man after God's own heart, speaks of his salvation in the present tense....and no one will ever convince me he was a lost man!

 

[Pisteuo]

What works did you do today to maintain your salvation?

I respond to the call of the Father each and every day the same, a new and hopefully better surrendered life. Anything good that comes from the life I've freely given to Him is not me doing it, but the Spirit of Christ inside me doing it. If I do something opposite of good in God's eyes, that's not me doing that either, but sin dwelling in me doing it.

So true NT saving Faith, pisteuo, a continually surrendered life to Him, gives the Spirit of Christ power to overcome what the Greek describes as trench warefar between The Spirit of Christ and the sinful nature warring inside us for our souls. We are merely onlookers, with only the choice of who we are surrendering our lives to. If we aren't surrendering ourselves to Christ, we are automatically surrendering to our sinful natures.

This all takes courage and endurance, which takes work and effort. Not added to the finished work of Christ, just fulfilling pisteuo or saving Faith.

If we don't start the salvation journey with the surrendered life, there is no warfare inside us. The sinful nature is getting the surrendered life.

 

[dcontroversal]

So king david is in hell? And abraham?

David came to mind instantly...the blanket false statements are beyond ridiculous....

 

[dcontroversal]

I’ve often wondered whether we will cry as we witness God’s wrath upon unbelievers or if we will experience a sense of justice seeing God’s justice being carried out.

I think it will be a sad day of tears as we see friends, family, co-workers and the lost being dragged weeping, wailing, begging, cursing, pleading to the pit to be cast.........and then....God will wipe away all tears and the memory of the wicked!

 

[Pisteuo]

Just like the priests under the penalty of death had to fill the oil to overflowing, and trim the wicks every day. Such it is with a life of Faith , a life of pisteuo. We must choose to faithe into Him every day.

 

[Pisteuo]

I respond to the call of the Father each and every day the same, a new and hopefully better surrendered life. Anything good that comes from the life I've freely given to Him is not me doing it, but the Spirit of Christ inside me doing it. If I do something opposite of good in God's eyes, that's not me doing that either, but sin dwelling in me doing it.

So true NT saving Faith, pisteuo, a continually surrendered life to Him, gives the Spirit of Christ power to overcome what the Greek describes as trench warefar between The Spirit of Christ and the sinful nature warring inside us for our souls. We are merely onlookers, with only the choice of who we are surrendering our lives to. If we aren't surrendering ourselves to Christ, we are automatically surrendering to our sinful natures.

This all takes courage and endurance, which takes work and effort. Not added to the finished work of Christ, just fulfilling pisteuo or saving Faith.

If we don't start the salvation journey with the surrendered life, there is no warfare inside us. The sinful nature is getting the surrendered life.

This is also an exact description of being in a state of sangtification, or how we are sperated out.

 

[VCO]

What does the phrase "Saviour, Jesus Christ" mean to you?

I means you have already received HIM AS LORD and Master, or HE is not your Savior.

 

[Lightskin]

If I do something opposite of good in God's eyes, that's not me doing that either, but sin dwelling in me doing it.

For someone who preaches works salvation, the above words are a total cop out.

 

[Pisteuo]

For someone who preaches works salvation, the above words are a total cop out.

I don't preach works salvation, as adding to Grace as you need to make me out to be. I bear witness to the fact true NT saving Faith, pisteuo, takes work and effort, courage and endurance separate from Grace. Grace, through pisteuo!

 

[VCO]

None of us care to read anything you write anymore. We have determined that you are spewing or regurgitating the False Prophet from Stanford University.

By the way, you have earned at trip to my Permanent IGNORE LIST.

You have GOT TO APPRECIATE our Last Resort, our Permanent IGNORE LIST. PEACE AT LAST. ABSOLUTELY NONE OF HIS POSTS SHOW UP ON MY SCREEN NOW.

 

[Pisteuo]

I means you have already received HIM AS LORD and Master, or HE is not your Savior.

We don't receive Him, He recieves us!

 

[UnderGrace]

I respond to the call of the Father each and every day the same, a new and hopefully better surrendered life. Anything good that comes from the life I've freely given to Him is not me doing it, but the Spirit of Christ inside me doing it. If I do something opposite of good in God's eyes, that's not me doing that either, but sin dwelling in me doing it.

So true NT saving Faith, pisteuo, a continually surrendered life to Him, gives the Spirit of Christ power to overcome what the Greek describes as trench warefar between The Spirit of Christ and the sinful nature warring inside us for our souls. We are merely onlookers, with only the choice of who we are surrendering our lives to. If we aren't surrendering ourselves to Christ, we are automatically surrendering to our sinful natures.

This all takes courage and endurance, which takes work and effort. Not added to the finished work of Christ, just fulfilling pisteuo or saving Faith.

If we don't start the salvation journey with the surrendered life, there is no warfare inside us. The sinful nature is getting the surrendered life.

So when you die, if there is some part of yourself you have not surrendered, or you die in a moment of non surrender.....do you forfeit salvation?

 

[UnderGrace]

I’ve often wondered whether we will cry as we witness God’s wrath upon unbelievers or if we will experience a sense of justice seeing God’s justice being carried out.

I myself will only cry.

And it is only by His Grace that even still, I would desire mercy if it were possible.

 

[mailmandan]

We don't receive Him, He recieves us!

John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.

 

[UnderGrace]

John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.

Amen.

We (well you more than me ) just keep coming with the God's word and hopefully eyes can be opened!!

 

[Pisteuo]

So when you die, if there is some part of yourself you have not surrendered, or you die in a moment of non surrender.....do you forfeit salvation?

A half measure avails nothing. It's not about perfection, it's about a genuine surrendered life. We know and God knows if we are truly surrendering to Him.

Christ perfects the surrendered life a molds it into whatever He wants.

That is why pisteuo is three specific things.
1) a Continually surrendered life.
2) based upon the belief that He will accept the surrendered life.
3) sustained ( maintained) by a life inspired by such surrender. Daily decisions that support the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.

This is what pisteuo is, what true saving Faith is. The English language doesn't have a word to translate all three aspects of pisteuo. Belief is only one third of pisteuo. Taken on it's own is error.

The English language should have had the words faithe,faither, and faithing for the translators.