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Not By Works
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My PM's are open. But your's aren't. That's why I asked you to PM me.. lol
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Wow, I really am getting a headache now and I really do not get headaches ever.
This is just sad, sad, sad how people nullify the work of the cross.
This is just sad, sad, sad how people nullify the work of the cross.
Ha! Actually quite the opposite!
I've stood against the 'name it & claim it', 'blab it & grab it', 'Simon says" salvation for nearly 2 decades now! My teaching has brought such heat against me by those who don't want to be held accountable for their unrepentant sins when they stand before Christ and His Elect in that Day. You're welcome to see what has gotten me the banishment from 3 other "Christian" forums already, due to my supposed "works salvation" and anti-OSAS teaching.
Pressing on to Maturity
Or what has become my most controversial teaching to date -
On Psalm 32 (where I speak on the Elect, the Priesthood of God who will become Christ's "co-heirs")
Enjoy!
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Actually your looking at it wrong
he saved isreal from slavery to an enemy
thats not the same as being saved from the debt of my sin.
You want to earn salvation
here is what you must do, be perfect from the time your bronk until the time you die
if you can not do that, your cursed, the curse is death (spiritual)
die in that state, you will remain in that state, its a place called hell
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Or how About this
he who believes has life, he who does not believe shall not see life but the wrath of god abides in him.
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That is widely taught, in spite of Scripture.
Glad you brought up Romans 8! I've done much in depth study and teaching on Romans 8, and in fact spent 6 months teaching at our church on that single chapter alone.
Looking at each of the terms above, even briefly, we find that there is so much more to our Journey than most have been 'taught' in the assemblies today.
For any who might be curious - Romans 8:29-30 (Study)
God's wisdom and understanding to all.
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You can forfiet your rewards, but you cant forfeit your adoption.Amen. See we DO agree.
We've been "saved" by what Jesus alone did.
NOW.... what are we doing with that "salvation"?
Indeed if we "walk worthy", remain "faithful", "overcome", and "endure til the end". we will inherit the promises of God in Rev 2 & 3.
May we be among those who do not "neglect so great a salvation", and "shrink back", lest we forfeit our inheritance.
Amen.
you cant earn grace, thus you can never unearn it, else it is no longer grace,
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Again, you're looking at modern English understanding.
I've heard some awful 'preaching' on "adoption" and "inheritance" that is completely contrary to the written Word.
I must stick with what the Bible declares.
Heck, even Paul knew he could be "disqualified" if he didn't "walk worthy" of his calling.
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That is widely taught, in spite of Scripture.
Glad you brought up Romans 8! I've done much in depth study and teaching on Romans 8, and in fact spent 6 months teaching at our church on that single chapter alone.
Looking at each of the terms above, even briefly, we find that there is so much more to our Journey than most have been 'taught' in the assemblies today.
For any who might be curious - Romans 8:29-30 (Study)
God's wisdom and understanding to all.
Wrong again....
The "endure faithful" is not to gain spiritual/eternal life/salvation
Justified means saved, declared righteous there is no work we do to add to that standing nor is there any work that can undo it.
You again misunderstand Phil 3:12 which is not about gaining eternal life
For Paul knew even that his predestination, calling and justification were not the end. But he needed to stay the course, fight the good fight and endure faithful til the end, to be raised to that First Resurrection of the saints who will be glorified with Christ.
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Again he was not addressing his eternal salvation.
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Another great misunderstanding is what our Eternal destiny is.
And as a disciple of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, this is my Hope.
The 'heaven & hell' thing is relatively new. The Bible doesn't teach that.
Now, there IS a GOAL to which the Elect have been called. And it, as Paul clearly states, we must "attain to ."
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Yep disqualified from being an apostle and leading people to christ
not from getting to heaven
paul knew he could never be good enough to ever earn salvation
you do not understand paul very well
you more resemble the judaisers paul spent his lifetime trying to fight because they were trying to add works to grace,
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I know of no one tried to save their body At least not in any christian church i ever attended
we have come to god and he saved our souls
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Wow, what cult did you come from?.
Another great misunderstanding is what our Eternal destiny is.
And as a disciple of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, this is my Hope.
The 'heaven & hell' thing is relatively new. The Bible doesn't teach that.
Now, there IS a GOAL to which the Elect have been called. And it, as Paul clearly states, we must "attain to ."
paul,said to be absent from the body was to be present with the lord
he could not make this claim if his future was not already determined