Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[NayborBear]

News flash

you do not sow peace by attackimg people,who,disagree with you, fail to understand what they are saying, then get mad when they try to tell you that, and then go on a mission to try to destroy them

I reckon when God "sends" one, or even "many" a strong delusion? It is really strong. I'd give up on this one Lord. Please help me!
When he goes about crowing that "he/they win!" "he/they win!" Like playing chess with that proverbial pigeon, that lights on the chessboard, knocks over all the pieces, all over the board, and struts around acting like he won? It's not they who won God! It's the "lie" that's won! So be it! It's just hard for me to "let them go around" in their further perpetuating the "same delusion" they have been sent!
I post in love, and at times, in righteous indignation, about what being "born again of the Spirit" is like, and the "understanding of scripture" Your light shines on them. I can only testify and bare witness to this, in trying to "plant seeds." I cannot take it in, for them, and cause it to grow! That is for the individual, and You, God to do, if it is according to Your will and Good Pleasure.
I pray for the strength to let this one go
I know it's not the person, but the spirit of anti christ, with whom we wage war against.
I pray he/they "see the error", and overcome!
In the Name of Jesus Christ I pray this:
Amen and Amen

 

[gb9]

I reckon when God "sends" one, or even "many" a strong delusion? It is really strong. I'd give up on this one Lord. Please help me!
When he goes about crowing that "he/they win!" "he/they win!" Like playing chess with that proverbial pigeon, that lights on the chessboard, knocks over all the pieces, all over the board, and struts around acting like he won? It's not they who won God! It's the "lie" that's won! So be it! It's just hard for me to "let them go around" in their further perpetuating the "same delusion" they have been sent!
I post in love, and at times, in righteous indignation, about what being "born again of the Spirit" is like, and the "understanding of scripture" Your light shines on them. I can only testify and bare witness to this, in trying to "plant seeds." I cannot take it in, for them, and cause it to grow! That is for the individual, and You, God to do, if it is according to Your will and Good Pleasure.
I pray for the strength to let this one go
I know it's not the person, but the spirit of anti christ, with whom we wage war against.
I pray he/they "see the error", and overcome!
In the Name of Jesus Christ I pray this:
Amen and Amen

yes, strong delusion like thinking the Law is divided into parts ( it's not), gentiles have to keep it ( never commanded to), and keeping the Sabbath has something to do with salvation through faith in Christ. ( no N.T. command to do so).

and, there is no such thing as a renewed Covenant.

yep, believing in these judeaizer talking points is strong delusion indeed.

 

[NayborBear]

yes, strong delusion like thinking the Law is divided into parts ( it's not), gentiles have to keep it ( never commanded to), and keeping the Sabbath has something to do with salvation through faith in Christ. ( no N.T. command to do so).

and, there is no such thing as a renewed Covenant.

yep, believing in these judeaizer talking points is strong delusion indeed.

Romans 11
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

So just keep "boasting against the branches!"
Yer doing pretty well at it!
Don't stop on my account!

 

[mailmandan]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the thing is, if we are so wrong, and we have all our beliefs about the Law all wrong, then why not engage in a interaction debate?

why does mr. gardener hide behind the ignore feature and toss out insults?

now, it could be that when one has no counter point, they just throw out accusations , and insults.....

He has been doing that since he got here

they all refuse to talk about how we are obedient, and what it looks like, they preach obedience, but when someone wants to talk about how it is done outside the law. This is what you get,

paul wrote the book of Galatians because judiasers were trying to add the law to grace, paul, considered this so dangerous, he said thise who teach it should be damned, but these people ignore it and try to act like it is not there,

its quite sad actually

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I reckon when God "sends" one, or even "many" a strong delusion? It is really strong. I'd give up on this one Lord. Please help me!
When he goes about crowing that "he/they win!" "he/they win!" Like playing chess with that proverbial pigeon, that lights on the chessboard, knocks over all the pieces, all over the board, and struts around acting like he won? It's not they who won God! It's the "lie" that's won! So be it! It's just hard for me to "let them go around" in their further perpetuating the "same delusion" they have been sent!
I post in love, and at times, in righteous indignation, about what being "born again of the Spirit" is like, and the "understanding of scripture" Your light shines on them. I can only testify and bare witness to this, in trying to "plant seeds." I cannot take it in, for them, and cause it to grow! That is for the individual, and You, God to do, if it is according to Your will and Good Pleasure.
I pray for the strength to let this one go
I know it's not the person, but the spirit of anti christ, with whom we wage war against.
I pray he/they "see the error", and overcome!
In the Name of Jesus Christ I pray this:
Amen and Amen

If you love a person, you try to figure out what they believe, you dont continually ignore it, continually twist what they say, then demand you know what they believe mote than they do

you don’t attack them, slander them, falsly accuse them

sorry man, but your defenitions of love is skewed

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 11
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

So just keep "boasting against the branches!"
Yer doing pretty well at it!
Don't stop on my account!

See,

he did not say you can sin, or not continue in goodness, yet you falsly accuse him

you should be ashamed.

 

[gb9]

See,

he did not say you can sin, or not continue in goodness, yet you falsly accuse him

you should be ashamed.

remember, they narrowly define sin as transgressing the Law, which is part of it, but they do not recognize sin as missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so.

maybe they should meditate on the actual definition of what sin is, they might understand why we do not take it lightly , but see our hopelessness, and need for a savior...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

remember, they narrowly define sin as transgressing the Law, which is part of it, but they do not recognize sin as missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so.

maybe they should meditate on the actual definition of what sin is, they might understand why we do not take it lightly , but see our hopelessness, and need for a savior...

Thats why just looking at the law is so dangerous, ypu look to the letter, and think you are ok because you do not do this and that, and you fail to see how sinful you really are

thats also why you get so mad when people suggest it, because i think deep down inside, you know it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

James 2: 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point,he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.”Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
james makes it quite clear here

it is one thing to keep aspects of the law, and live a righteous life, but if i keep all of the law, yet break on, i am guilty of the law and called a transgressor.

whoever trangresses the law, is cursed by the law

in this aspect. No one can keep the law. Because no one is sinless.
instead of focusing on law. We need to focus on God and others, to produce fruits of the spirit, otherwise we are on a fruitless walk which will get us no where

 

[SimpleGardner]

I reckon when God "sends" one, or even "many" a strong delusion? It is really strong. I'd give up on this one Lord. Please help me!
When he goes about crowing that "he/they win!" "he/they win!" Like playing chess with that proverbial pigeon, that lights on the chessboard, knocks over all the pieces, all over the board, and struts around acting like he won? It's not they who won God! It's the "lie" that's won! So be it! It's just hard for me to "let them go around" in their further perpetuating the "same delusion" they have been sent!
I post in love, and at times, in righteous indignation, about what being "born again of the Spirit" is like, and the "understanding of scripture" Your light shines on them. I can only testify and bare witness to this, in trying to "plant seeds." I cannot take it in, for them, and cause it to grow! That is for the individual, and You, God to do, if it is according to Your will and Good Pleasure.
I pray for the strength to let this one go
I know it's not the person, but the spirit of anti christ, with whom we wage war against.
I pray he/they "see the error", and overcome!
In the Name of Jesus Christ I pray this:
Amen and Amen

Greetings NayborBear,

It is interesting to observe how the Anti-God's Order types are so scornful among other things. It is a universal consistent effort to come against those who Love and obey God.

Fortunately the hour is at hand and the Righteous Judge is at the door.

So many spiritual illnesses are easily observable...so many characteristics consistent with carnality.

One of the dead giveaways is the claim which I have heard many times; "I follow Paul"!

Paul says this is the sign of a "carnal Christian"!
1Co 3:1-8 KJV
(1) And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
(2) I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
(3) For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
(4) For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
(5) Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
(6) I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
(7) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
(8) Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Their "carnality" is on display for us all to see and while we desire to show them they have refused to see! The "doctrines of demons" and "strong delusions" which they have embraced has locked them into their "carnality" all the while they think they are "above all".

Do not weep for these...they have taken a stand against the will of God with full knowledge of their decision. They simply have lingering guilt that they cater to by making a show of "false piety" to assuage their guilt. They embrace the lies over the truth.

 

[NayborBear]

Thats why just looking at the law is so dangerous, ypu look to the letter, and think you are ok because you do not do this and that, and you fail to see how sinful you really are

thats also why you get so mad when people suggest it, because i think deep down inside, you know it

As long as your "doctrinal equations" teach: "salvation by grace through faith alone"= "Spiritual Maturity?"

Y'all are NEVER gonna "Overcome the Lie!"

Salvation is all y'all want? Salvation is all your going to receive! Whilst y'all walk around "Spiritually?" DEADER THAN A HAMMER!
That's all y'all preach! Because that's all y'all been taught! And, as long as y'all keep denying, and rejecting the "spiritual principles" and disciplines, contained in the "law of Moses?" (spiritually offering: love offerings, wave and heave offerings, offering of first fruits....these are done "in yer head", in private, in your closet. So that God shall reward you in public?)
Recognizing the "efforts of spiritual sacrificing's" Needed to become "Spiritually Mature?"
"Deader than a hammer", is all your going to mature to!


As long as y'all think the Father's sacrificing of Jesus Christ is all ya need?

Pray tell? Who does THESE "sacrifices?" Jesus?
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

I guess the "ye" MUST be Jesus doing the sacrificing FOR y'all! Right?

I guess "understanding mysteries" of Paul, er Peter, er Jude, er James, er the Parables of Jesus Christ Himself, or God Himself in the O.T. are not NEEDED for y'alls salvation.

Just a curious question:
Who TOLD y'all you don't need to understand "the MYSTERIES of the Kingdom" anyway?

I contend it's the SAME one who told Eve that she would not SURELY die!

 

[NayborBear]

Greetings NayborBear,

It is interesting to observe how the Anti-God's Order types are so scornful among other things. It is a universal consistent effort to come against those who Love and obey God.

Fortunately the hour is at hand and the Righteous Judge is at the door.

So many spiritual illnesses are easily observable...so many characteristics consistent with carnality.

One of the dead giveaways is the claim which I have heard many times; "I follow Paul"!

Paul says this is the sign of a "carnal Christian"!
1Co 3:1-8 KJV
(1) And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
(2) I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
(3) For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
(4) For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
(5) Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
(6) I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
(7) So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
(8) Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Their "carnality" is on display for us all to see and while we desire to show them they have refused to see! The "doctrines of demons" and "strong delusions" which they have embraced has locked them into their "carnality" all the while they think they are "above all".

Do not weep for these...they have taken a stand against the will of God with full knowledge of their decision. They simply have lingering guilt that they cater to by making a show of "false piety" to assuage their guilt. They embrace the lies over the truth.

I know SG! It just breaks my heart, yanno?

Many are "called!"

Few are "chosen!"

The "first" shall be "last?"

The "last" shall be "first!"

Just becomes "tiresome" yanno? Trying to plant seeds. To come to an understanding, that God would probably be better served, should I sit on some park bench in some park, and feed "pigeons!"

Well? Perhaps God wouldn't be better served. But the "pigeons" would!

 

[gb9]

As long as your "doctrinal equations" teach: "salvation by grace through faith alone"= "Spiritual Maturity?"

Y'all are NEVER gonna "Overcome the Lie!"

Salvation is all y'all want? Salvation is all your going to receive! Whilst y'all walk around "Spiritually?" DEADER THAN A HAMMER!
That's all y'all preach! Because that's all y'all been taught! And, as long as y'all keep denying, and rejecting the "spiritual principles" and disciplines, contained in the "law of Moses?" (spiritually offering: love offerings, wave and heave offerings, offering of first fruits....these are done "in yer head", in private, in your closet. So that God shall reward you in public?)
Recognizing the "efforts of spiritual sacrificing's" Needed to become "Spiritually Mature?"
"Deader than a hammer", is all your going to mature to!


As long as y'all think the Father's sacrificing of Jesus Christ is all ya need?

Pray tell? Who does THESE "sacrifices?" Jesus?
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

I guess the "ye" MUST be Jesus doing the sacrificing FOR y'all! Right?

I guess "understanding mysteries" of Paul, er Peter, er Jude, er James, er the Parables of Jesus Christ Himself, or God Himself in the O.T. are not NEEDED for y'alls salvation.

Just a curious question:
Who TOLD y'all you don't need to understand "the MYSTERIES of the Kingdom" anyway?

I contend it's the SAME one who told Eve that she would not SURELY die!

find one post where e.g or I said any of this.

did you miss my post about sin, just a few back.

I think i'll just go and let you and mr. gardener argue with these non- existing people who say the things you claim ...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As long as your "doctrinal equations" teach: "salvation by grace through faith alone"= "Spiritual Maturity?"
!

well considering i have never said this, not do i promote p, teach or believe this

once again you just prove how little you know about what i believe, and further prove how it is a waste of time to even try to reason with you.
you can not reason with people who fail to even try to understand the people they are trying to have a discussion with,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Greetings NayborBear,

It is interesting to observe how the Anti-God's Order types are so scornful among other things. It is a universal consistent effort to come against those who Love and obey God.

.

dude i already reported you for calling me a drug addict, keep this nonsense up, and i will take it straight to the top.

 

[tantalon]

Matthew 5: 17-19. Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill... Or Romans 10: 4, For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes. Verse 5, gives the key to understand that righteousness was through the obedience to the commandments, until AFTER Christs resurrection. When the rich young ruler asked what good thing HE was to do to "earn" salvation, Jesus told him to keep the moral law and he would live, Matthew 19:16,17. Note verse 20 that the man had kept the law From his YOUTH UP, so he had sinned like everyone else. See also Leviticus 18: 5, Ezek. 20: 11, verse 13 and 21, Romans 10: 5 and Gal. 3: 12. Jesus sinless life on Earth was revealed when God raised his sacrificial Lamb from the dead and thereby proclaimed a new covenant, by God's Grace and faith in his provision of his Son. The reason for abolishing the first covenant was it's unprofitable weakness of mankind's flesh without the help of the Spirit. Hebrews 7: 18,19.

 

[SimpleGardner]

I know SG! It just breaks my heart, yanno?

Many are "called!"

Few are "chosen!"

The "first" shall be "last?"

The "last" shall be "first!"

Just becomes "tiresome" yanno? Trying to plant seeds. To come to an understanding, that God would probably be better served, should I sit on some park bench in some park, and feed "pigeons!"

Well? Perhaps God wouldn't be better served. But the "pigeons" would!

Also, there is a possibility that some on here are "Narcissistic". Think everyone is stupid, Think everyone is talking about them, Spoiled sports, petty, overly sensitive, like to speak rather than listen, feel justified in being mean. Perhaps "carnality" and "Narcissism" are the same!

Pidgeons!? You know, we don't have any of those here in rural America! Doves yes, pigeons, no. They are kinda interesting though. What do you feed them?

SG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Also, there is a possibility that some on here are "Narcissistic". Think everyone is stupid, Think everyone is talking about them, Spoiled sports, petty, overly sensitive, like to speak rather than listen, feel justified in being mean. Perhaps "carnality" and "Narcissism" are the same!

Pidgeons!? You know, we don't have any of those here in rural America! Doves yes, pigeons, no. They are kinda interesting though. What do you feed them?

SG

Once again, thats three times now

 

[eternally-gratefull]

find one post where e.g or I said any of this.

did you miss my post about sin, just a few back.

I think i'll just go and let you and mr. gardener argue with these non- existing people who say the things you claim ...

we have one person does this and Can not stop attacking others as being drug addicts and narcissistic,

at least naylor just falsly accuses, its getting out of hand though