Schools

[Roughsoul1991]

What were your experiences and if you have children what do you choose for your children?

Homeschool, boarding school, public school, private school, charter school, special school? Co-ed or single sex?

What do you look for in a school...values, affordibility, curriculum? Proximity? What do you expect a school to teach your children?

Have you ever had to leave a school? Or ever been expelled?

My kids are 5,4, and 1. The oldest is in Kindergarten public school, the 4 year old in Pre K public school.

We decided to home school once they learn the basics like reading, writing, talking, and simple math. Our church community group home schools. They tell us its actually quite easy and the kids do a great job. They have 5 natural kids and 2 foster kids.

 

[Lanolin]

My kids are 5,4, and 1. The oldest is in Kindergarten public school, the 4 year old in Pre K public school.

We decided to home school once they learn the basics like reading, writing, talking, and simple math. Our church community group home schools. They tell us its actually quite easy and the kids do a great job. They have 5 natural kids and 2 foster kids.

Do both parents home school or is it up to one or the other how does it work? Does one of you work from home or both? Why not just have the school at church surely during the week the building is not always being used?

 

[calibob]

My kids are 5,4, and 1. The oldest is in Kindergarten public school, the 4 year old in Pre K public school.

We decided to home school once they learn the basics like reading, writing, talking, and simple math. Our church community group home schools. They tell us its actually quite easy and the kids do a great job. They have 5 natural kids and 2 foster kids.

I thoroughly believe in home or private schooling. However I hav encountered some problems with each. A single parent working for near minimum wage. And an older High school education without algebra or biology. cant afford private schools and don't have enough education to teach kids well enough to pass college entrance exams. I was raised in the 60's and taught by teachers who were eggheads in the 40's or a few that went to school under the GI bill in the late 40's & 50's. It would get me into the military but not college. The military was my access to college 2 years of assistance. but the bills kept comming and I was married with children. I dropped out and got a job as a California certified tune up and emissions controls technician. Then fell down some stairs. I couldn't work on my feet. I never took algebra or biology. How was I supposed to teach my children enough to go to college or afford private schools for them?

To get ahead of China again we must be able to educate 100% of our children better than the upper 10% of them do. My daughter makes $13 per hr. That's more than I ever made. She has 3 kids and a bad back. She can't work in her chosen medical field. She's a call center operator from home. It's public school for my grandchildren. GED's are not even accepted by the military any more. How do we get back on top again?

 

[Lanolin]

I thoroughly believe in home or private schooling. However I hav encountered some problems with each. A single parent working for near minimum wage. And an older High school education without algebra or biology. cant afford private schools and don't have enough education to teach kids well enough to pass college entrance exams. I was raised in the 60's and taught by teachers who were eggheads in the 40's or a few that went to school under the GI bill in the late 40's & 50's. It would get me into the military but not college. The military was my access to college 2 years of assistance. but the bills kept comming and I was married with children. I dropped out and got a job as a California certified tune up and emissions controls technician. Then fell down some stairs. I couldn't work on my feet. I never took algebra or biology. How was I supposed to teach my children enough to go to college or afford private schools for them?

To get ahead of China again we must be able to educate 100% of our children better than the upper 10% of them do. My daughter makes $13 per hr. That's more than I ever made. She has 3 kids and a bad back. She can't work in her chosen medical field. She's a call center operator from home. It's public school for my grandchildren. GED's are not even accepted by the military any more. How do we get back on top again?

Sorry...but what has China got to do with anything? Why are you trying to get ahead of China? What did China ever do to you? They have billions of people. They always going to be ahead of everyone its just basic demographics. Im chinese descent, so, do I not count as 'our children'?

 

[Lanolin]

What I do know of academia in china is that chinese culture has a tradition of scholarship. Why because the Chinese written language is complex and there are so many characters to learn.

Teachers are respected on China and they value learning. Other countries and cultures seem to dismiss education. But this was not always so, in the cultural revolution many of the teachers were sent to the countryside to be 're-educated' why because of the differences and wide gaps between rich and poor. Still today the ticket and the key to learning is your ability to read, write and do maths.

One of my mums cousins said she didnt know any english when growing up BUT she could do maths because maths is universal. She learned english later but fooled her teachers quite a bit before she had to really use it. The thing with languages is research shows if you know another language it also improves your maths skills. So americans, why not actually learn some chinese. Then you'll know what the chinese are talking about. And what you are eating lol. Theres a whole culinary language you are missing out on cos mcdonalds isnt cutting it

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Do both parents home school or is it up to one or the other how does it work? Does one of you work from home or both? Why not just have the school at church surely during the week the building is not always being used?

Both can help. With my community group family the husband works for the state full time and the wife works as a nurse part time for the hospital. Also their 2 oldest kids help the younger kids.

Homeschooling is nowadays a whole lot easier. Most of it is online. You choose a homeschooling curriculum that you want your kids to know and you have to include state requirements just like grade school. They usually include social programs too like local homeschoolers get together to play sports or field trips.

Either the child does the work online through the curriculum, or some programs even have homeschooling networks with a teacher. Or often churches do get together to offer homeschooling programs.

Honestly we need to be advocating for our churches to do this. It makes no sense to keep sending our kids to be indoctrinated away from God.

Some churches do have school programs much like how early education was done with 1 teacher and a class of students of different ages. The older kids help the younger and the younger kids grow much smarter being around more older people. My Grandmother was a missionary in South Korea and here in the US teaching English through her church.

For us I make enough so my wife is a stay at home mother. But like I said above. Homeschooling is so much easier now than decades ago due to technology and the growing popularity among Christians. You no longer have to be a teacher to homeschool. The curriculum online does the teaching like your kids favorite learning games. And if that isnt enough some offer online teachers and tudors.

It is really just something you have to research and find others who are already doing it. And then get every question answered.

 

[Lanolin]

Yes I imagine there would be gaps in homeschool knowledge and then private school the cost would be a barrier. I wish people wouldnt knock public schools, I work in one. Its not perfect but you do learn things your parents couldnt teach you, and can take the exact same subjects that you could at a private school without paying horrendous fees.

Children know when their parents are struggling and often they know maybe only one, the eldest can afford to go to college. The other option is winning scholarships. If you dont apply you miss out so its worth applying.

However with acholarship students they do encounter social barriers because the ones whos parents paid tend to look down on the scholarship students. Its subtle but its there.

 

[Lanolin]

What the churches could be doing more of is empowering parents to become teachers or providing learning facilites. Some already have play centres and daycares. What about moving into school age programs and and not just school holidays?

I dont know the solution but the thing is to have more christian principals in schools, cos they take direction from having good leadership, sometimes a school stands and falls on its principal. Or get involved with the board of trustees. Make it absolutely transparent who they are because they are the ones making desisicons that affect everyone who attends that school.

 

[Lanolin]

I wouldnt say kids are being indoctrinated away from God in public schools, maybe some classrooms they dont have exposure to the Bible but its never actually taken away from them.

If you are providing spiritual leadership for your children they can face that test even when they are in a public school and there ARE christian groups in public school believe it or not they are volunteer. If the Principal is ok with it they even have it during class time.
And if yOU advocare in the school you choose to have christian values taught then it doesnt just benefit your own children but everyone elses. Because actually there are parents who are open to having good values taught they just happen to be christian values.

It doesnt make sense to silo your children away and then close them off, maybe in some instances it works but its not always feasible and only directly benefits your child.

 

[Lanolin]

Regarding online learning its true you can learn a lot online and at your own pace but I wouldnt make it the mainstay of homeschool. The thing is children are social creatures and they can learn in groups and need to interact with children different from themselves. At school they can do this unless parents are being subtly racist and thinking I only want to send my child to a white (or whatever colour) school and only be around people who look like them.

And the other thing is MORE christian teachers are needed. Why are there christians not training to be teachers? It was Jesus profession, he actually gave up his carpentry job to teach! And he did it full time!

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I thoroughly believe in home or private schooling. However I hav encountered some problems with each. A single parent working for near minimum wage. And an older High school education without algebra or biology. cant afford private schools and don't have enough education to teach kids well enough to pass college entrance exams. I was raised in the 60's and taught by teachers who were eggheads in the 40's or a few that went to school under the GI bill in the late 40's & 50's. It would get me into the military but not college. The military was my access to college 2 years of assistance. but the bills kept comming and I was married with children. I dropped out and got a job as a California certified tune up and emissions controls technician. Then fell down some stairs. I couldn't work on my feet. I never took algebra or biology. How was I supposed to teach my children enough to go to college or afford private schools for them?

To get ahead of China again we must be able to educate 100% of our children better than the upper 10% of them do. My daughter makes $13 per hr. That's more than I ever made. She has 3 kids and a bad back. She can't work in her chosen medical field. She's a call center operator from home. It's public school for my grandchildren. GED's are not even accepted by the military any more. How do we get back on top again?

How was I supposed to teach my children enough to go to college or afford private schools for them?

It may not of worked out for you back then because homeschooling was much more dependent on the knowledge and willpower of the parents. But now with modern technology and the growing popularity. It has become much easier to where you do not need to be a teacher. Of course the parents help out where they can but the courses often have teacher or tudors assistants.

To get ahead of China again we must be able to educate 100% of our children better than the upper 10% of them do. My daughter makes $13 per hr. That's more than I ever made. She has 3 kids and a bad back. She can't work in her chosen medical field. She's a call center operator from home. It's public school for my grandchildren. GED's are not even accepted by the military any more. How do we get back on top again?

Our fall in academics can be linked to many different variables. To mention a few would be overcrowded classrooms, fall in morality and home discipline, less parent support, the rise in progressive education, the rise in secular education, more dedication to sports than education, or failed curriculums like common core math. I'm sure there is more and these areas can be studied in great detail. Public schools drastically starting changing in the 1960s. Ironically that is when the Supreme Court began its attack on God in schools.

Before this public schools would be like Christian seminary schools. This 1804 school book was a teaching on the beatitudes in scripture. https://books.google.com/books?id=BkEXAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

Or this 1908 Elementary spelling book designed by Noah Webster the founding father.

Starting page 29,34,39, 42 you see the use of words in sentences that include Bible knowledge about God.

https://books.google.com/books?id=T...nepage&q=The elementary spelling book&f=false

Sadly the Supreme court began to ignore all the past rulings and past beliefs but began to just make laws off of personal opinion.

But back on point. Yes the military is trying to keep up technologically and surpass our enemies. So the knowledge needed now is becoming more important. The future of warfare is going to be more smart bombs, drones, gadgets and robotic technology. I also know recruiters can work with people who doesn't have a GED. But that isnt promised.

Way back to the top in most problems is to address the culture. As one of my threads explains the more we run from God the more illogical the people become. Instead of being able to focus on academics and arts we instead focus on discipline, crime, and the full weight of a Godless society. The rise and fall of Civilizations always ends up this way. A Civilization will peak out in academics and arts and over time become self absorbed. And eventually this selfishness becomes its downfall back into the fire of war, disease, and anarchy. The very thing the Civilization's first ancestors fought to do away with but the great, great, great grandchildren end up doomed to return to those very ashes that the ancestors rose from.

We must learn from our past and not always be ready to progressively leave it behind.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

What the churches could be doing more of is empowering parents to become teachers or providing learning facilites. Some already have play centres and daycares. What about moving into school age programs and and not just school holidays?

I dont know the solution but the thing is to have more christian principals in schools, cos they take direction from having good leadership, sometimes a school stands and falls on its principal. Or get involved with the board of trustees. Make it absolutely transparent who they are because they are the ones making desisicons that affect everyone who attends that school.

The school board of education has great impact of public schools. Anyone can run for these seats and are usually not hard to get if you campaign for it. Also parent involvement makes a huge difference. Your a tax paying citizen and pay for public education so your voice matters. Getting the whole church to have a voice at these meetings makes a big difference too.

But yes getting Christian's into these schools can help but currently as for my country our laws tie the hands of Christian teachers. So really until we fight to change the laws then we really should be taking our kids out of government schooling.

 

[Lanolin]

From what i know of american politics, this from a former first lady michelle Obama claimed that children in the uS are so obese that they fail to meet the requirement to enter the military.

That was HER worry! Thus they would not have enough in their armies and so they couldnt go and invade other countries or defend themselves, not that anyone really wants to attack and take over america which is in their imagination people have go their own home countries to worry about rather than bother trying to take on someone elses.

Now if someone actually wanted to leave their homeland and live somewhere else what they did was emigrate and america welcomed them with open arms. Or they used to. Why americans keeps thinking people want to attack them and then take over is beyond me. People are people most just want to have somewhere decent to live without fear.

The US military werent exactly spreading peace and love if their actions in the past are anything to go by. What a compete waste of time trying to think of better ways to bomb people.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I wouldnt say kids are being indoctrinated away from God in public schools, maybe some classrooms they dont have exposure to the Bible but its never actually taken away from them.

If you are providing spiritual leadership for your children they can face that test even when they are in a public school and there ARE christian groups in public school believe it or not they are volunteer. If the Principal is ok with it they even have it during class time.
And if yOU advocare in the school you choose to have christian values taught then it doesnt just benefit your own children but everyone elses. Because actually there are parents who are open to having good values taught they just happen to be christian values.

It doesnt make sense to silo your children away and then close them off, maybe in some instances it works but its not always feasible and only directly benefits your child.

According to what school you are talking about because students are attacked for their faith all the time across our country in the US. Reason I know is because I get connected to Christian news sites and religious liberty organizations. The worst cases are in colleges.

They are not solo or closed off. Obviously from public education yes but not the social side. Our kids can not be the light if they are not first taught how to be the light. If you throw them in the dark expecting them to be the light against 30+ hours of secular ideas then like it is documented that most kids leave the faith once they get away from the parents.

 

[Lanolin]

The school board of education has great impact of public schools. Anyone can run for these seats and are usually not hard to get if you campaign for it. Also parent involvement makes a huge difference. Your a tax paying citizen and pay for public education so your voice matters. Getting the whole church to have a voice at these meetings makes a big difference too.

But yes getting Christian's into these schools can help but currently as for my country our laws tie the hands of Christian teachers. So really until we fight to change the laws then we really should be taking our kids out of government schooling.

Well keep fighting to get the laws changed, you have lawyers who are christians right? Hard to believe, but there are actually some christian lawyers. Wasnt Barack Obama a lawyer? Before he was elected president?

 

[Lanolin]

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According to what school you are talking about because students are attacked for their faith all the time across our country in the US. Reason I know is because I get connected to Christian news sites and religious liberty organizations. The worst cases are in colleges.

They are not solo or closed off. Obviously from public education yes but not the social side. Our kids can not be the light if they are not first taught how to be the light. If you throw them in the dark expecting them to be the light against 30+ hours of secular ideas then like it is documented that most kids leave the faith once they get away from the parents.

thats why you advocate chrstian values to be taught in schools. If you fail to do this you are failing the next generation.
Plus dont you have minsitries that go into schools? Bibles in schools? Dont you treat public schools as your misson fields? Why waste money sending missionaries overseas when you need them right in your own schools.

Thing is in america its anarchy everyone gets attacked for being different not just their faith. African american churches were bombed because white supremacists didnt like black americans having the same rights as they did

 

[Roughsoul1991]

From what i know of american politics, this from a former first lady michelle Obama claimed that children in the uS are so obese that they fail to meet the requirement to enter the military.

That was HER worry! Thus they would not have enough in their armies and so they couldnt go and invade other countries or defend themselves, not that anyone really wants to attack and take over america which is in their imagination people have go their own home countries to worry about rather than bother trying to take on someone elses.

Now if someone actually wanted to leave their homeland and live somewhere else what they did was emigrate and america welcomed them with open arms. Or they used to. Why americans keeps thinking people want to attack them and then take over is beyond me. People are people most just want to have somewhere decent to live without fear.

The US military werent exactly spreading peace and love if their actions in the past are anything to go by. What a compete waste of time trying to think of better ways to bomb people.

Kids are obese but the military isnt having recruitment problems so that isn't a real worry.

But bombs are off topic. Every country has enemies who want them dead or their resources. This has been human nature sense time began. Good and evil will always divide the world. And this is probably the only reason we haven't seen WW3 is because of the invention of the atomic bomb. Everyone has a button and if anyone pushes that button then a counter strike would happen and thus killing the world. Smarter weaponry is wise to survival or else you will become a slave to which ever country has the ability to wipe you out.

 

[Lanolin]

Children brought up in christian schools and homeschooled also leave faith once they get away from their parents theres actually no guarantee that they will stay in the faith that was taught to them. Because some people regard christian schooling as indoctrinating anyway. Ask catholics. They set up an entire system are the evangelical christians just trying to replicate what the catholics did. Sometimes it seems all catholic schooling does is produce lapsed catholics.

Just saying. You need something more and thats the gospel and being born again.

 

[Lanolin]

Kids are obese but the military isnt having recruitment problems so that isn't a real worry.

But bombs are off topic. Every country has enemies who want them dead or their resources. This has been human nature sense time began. Good and evil will always divide the world. And this is probably the only reason we haven't seen WW3 is because of the invention of the atomic bomb. Everyone has a button and if anyone pushes that button then a counter strike would happen and thus killing the world. Smarter weaponry is wise to survival or else you will become a slave to which ever country has the ability to wipe you out.

False premise you should read what you written . Every country has enemies? I beg to differ. You need to face the real enemy and thats satan not nations.

Nations of every tribe and tongue are in revelation following the king of Kings.

 

[Lanolin]

Sorry americans but you actually bomb your own people so who are you to talk. WW3 is already happening because the oceans are dying therough the amount tof plastic junk people are dumping there, and using up all the chemicals produced in ww2 for warefare as pesticides and herbicides.