Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you believe Christ is in you? Yes you do. Do you believe all things are possible with Christ? Yes you do. Then how can you make the statement you can't obey the law? And if your reply is "you can't do it perfectly" then my question is What sins of ours did Jesus die to give us remission of?

Are you perfect? I am not

so how can you sit their and say you obey the law? When only one small screw up makes you guilty of the whole law

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

forgive me for not wanting to be a self righteous person who claims to do what he has not done

yes christ is in me, my flesh is also, i do not folow christ 100% i want to, but like paul, i do not always do what i want. And as john said, i am not a decieved person who thinks he is without sin

i pray you are not one either

 

[gb9]

I never said the law was done away.

do you people ever listen?

its like we go in circles, it seems maybe you start to understand what we are saying, then it falls apart and you prove you have not heard a word

and that is why I do not post much in this thread any more, just going in circles , covering the same ground, sometimes almost word for word......

 

[NayborBear]

Nope

its self righteousness, your trying to obey a law by your own power unable to even fulfill its requirement.

instead of doing what god commands and set your mind on the things above and love others (the law of love)

you need to study Galatians, paul laid it all out for you

Jeremiah 2
29 Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the Lord.
30 In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword(tongue/words) hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.
31 O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been a wilderness unto Israel? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee?

Galatians 1
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
Galatians 2
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

The "circumcision" is not of the flesh! But, of one's heart, soul, BY strength OF MIND!

You, my friend, have much to learn!

I, on the other hand, have much to love!

Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

You would be much the wiser, should you heed more of Isaiah's advice.
Instead of remaining "over inebriated" with love!

 

[NayborBear]

Actually the NT teaches that it was necessary for the priesthood laws to change because the priesthood changed. It is now under the order of Melchizedek and not the order of Aaron. Heb 7

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Isn't this verse the same as saying that animal sacrifice was replaced by the sacrifice of Jesus, once and for all-meaning no more sacrificing was necessary?

Just as this verse falls on deaf ears!
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

This is what happens to those who use "the great commission" TO A "FAULT!"

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Yes, and i have been saying it all along

and what did god say?

he gave moses the law, THEN told them (us). We must obey every word or we are cursed, he told us through james if we keep the whole law, yet fall in just one minor point we are guilty of all

again, you have the laws mixed up.
you can not follow the law. No one can, only christ did.

God also said the re is a blessing for obedience (and a curse for disobedience) with sin atonement built into the law. SO God knew people would sin. The issue with ancient Israel was not just "sin" they worshipped pagan gods and ddi human sacrifice year after year. Not ever person but many did this.

I don't have the laws mixed up I used the words of Jesus and the prophets they clearly state what law. God's law mediated by Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jeremiah 2
29 Wherefore will ye plead with me? ye all have transgressed against me, saith the Lord.
30 In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword(tongue/words) hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.
31 O generation, see ye the word of the Lord. Have I been a wilderness unto Israel? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee?

Galatians 1
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
Galatians 2
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

The "circumcision" is not of the flesh! But, of one's heart, soul, BY strength OF MIND!

You, my friend, have much to learn!

I, on the other hand, have much to love!

Isaiah 28
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

You would be much the wiser, should you heed more of Isaiah's advice.
Instead of remaining "over inebriated" with love!

You have alot of self righteousness

i have my savior and my Lord will see, maybe not in this lifetime, but you will see

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God also said the re is a blessing for obedience (and a curse for disobedience) with sin atonement built into the law. SO God knew people would sin. The issue with ancient Israel was not just "sin" they worshipped pagan gods and ddi human sacrifice year after year. Not ever person but many did this.

I don't have the laws mixed up I used the words of Jesus and the prophets they clearly state what law. God's law mediated by Jesus.

Dude i am about sick of your refusal to listen

is it really that hard for you to understand what i am saying?

yes thete is a blessing for obedience, i never said oherwise.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I never said the law was done away.

do you people ever listen?

its like we go in circles, it seems maybe you start to understand what we are saying, then it falls apart and you prove you have not heard a word

I never said you said that so right back at you. Rather I gave my lline of reasoning for why God;s Law is not only valid but what law it is. Showing it's validaty was vital for my reason is believeing what I do.

I will explain:

This shows the law is not done away

If the law is not done away

Matthew 5:17-18, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

This shows in the new covenant the law is written on the heart, combine the fact the the word "torah" is used with Jesus saying the law will not pass untill haven and earth do and all is fulfilled:

the torah is written in the heart and mind:

Jer 31: 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

8451.torah: direction, instruction, law

Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Definition: direction, instruction, law​

It begins to become clear that it is not some new law, I just gave 2 stong witnesses to this fact. Here we see John calling them love, and Jesus saying in the pre-end and end times BECAUSE lawlessness love will grow cold. He said this and it is very clear, combine this with many verses that call the law love and read the law without a hardened heart and again it is clear, as in Matt 22:37-40 say love God and neighbor and ALL ofthe commands hang on these.

I know I know not THAT law! lol, but Jesus said nothing would pass from that law untill all is fulfilled nad heaven and earth passed.

neither have happened YET.

1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Matthew 24:9-12, " 9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.

Here we see the law called liberty in a Psalm and by James, and James goes as far to quote a few laws DIRECTLY from the OT/Torah, and James calles it "the law of liberty"

Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"

James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”

James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”

oh wait same law

These are just a few examples, I could post many more. But the main issuse that I believe you agreee with is that we should follow Jesus and His teachings.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I read the verses

They do not refute what i am saying,

you can not obey the law man, look not in!

THEN you will be an obedient servant who obeys gods commands by loving as he loves,

keep looking to he law you will fail, period!

Of course all men will sin.

What then is the option?

To focus on Jesus, ask for repentance and seek to walk as He did in obedience?

or

To start making sure one breaks the law every day so they are not considered a nasty self righteous law keeper?


Of course there are a million other ways to look at it, my point is because people will sin does that mean the line between good and evil must be destroyyed? No.

My friend the Spirit of God WRITES the LAW on the HEART and MIND. If one has the Spirit they will love and do the law. I know "but not THAT law" except it is THAT law, God's law. Jesus said nothing would pass from it and it is written it is THAT law written on the heart. Jer 31 and Heb 10.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Um, paul did not contradict himself

that would make the bible null and void

your also missing how people are obedient.

self righteousness will be rejected by God man.

Is all obedience "Self righteousness?"

 

[seed_time_harvest]

and that is why I do not post much in this thread any more, just going in circles , covering the same ground, sometimes almost word for word......

Yes I don't think anyone on here has had an eye-opening moment from someone Illuminating a scripture to the point that the reader changed their mind from the way they were thinking to a new way of thinking but we like to discuss things

 

[Grandpa]

Dude i am about sick of your refusal to listen

is it really that hard for you to understand what i am saying?

yes thete is a blessing for obedience, i never said oherwise.

There would be a blessing for obedience to the law if you could be obedient to it. But if you could be obedient to it then that would make you Righteous, through your own work at the law, and Blessed by your own work at the law.

But that is not how we are Righteous or how we are Blessed.

Ephesians 1:3-9
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Dude i am about sick of your refusal to listen

is it really that hard for you to understand what i am saying?

yes thete is a blessing for obedience, i never said oherwise.

ok, well you only mentioned a curse for disobedience, so I thought it valid to pint out there is also a blessing for obedience. Again I never said you denied that, just that you did not mention it. Also this is aBible discussion, I am llowed to have a different view and I do post many verses showing why I believe what I do, you past number of replies have not touched on the verses I post much if at all, so I don;t see why you are so bothered. I suppoert my view wit hthe word and if you do not address those verses how can you tell me I don't listen, especiialy when you are getting sick of things that I never said?

 

[Marcelo]

Which ordinances are you referring to?

For example:

To wear tefillin on the head -- Deut. 6:8

 

[Marcelo]

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

This is what Christians are supposed to do.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

For example:

To wear tefillin on the head -- Deut. 6:8

that is man made tradition. just like this:

Mark 7:5-8, " 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” 6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ 8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

This is what Christians are supposed to do.

I agree, but try breaking any of the commandments and still be keeping these 2. that is why He said;40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Also why do you continually cut out the majority of my post and only give a one liner on a selected part of what I post. That is not conducive to an open discussion, so many times I have honestly posted things I thought out and tried to present and they go ignored and picked apart. There are still many questions we talked about that you still have not given a reply to or any reasoning to. I thought we are having an real discussion on the matter?

 

[DeighAnn]

Are you perfect? I am not

What sins does Jesus forgive us for?

 

[Marcelo]

that is man made tradition. just like this:

Mark 7:5-8, " 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” 6 And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ 8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”

Do you mean the ordinance below was a man made tradition?

To wear tefillin on the head -- Deut 6:8

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Do you mean the ordinance below was a man made tradition?

To wear tefillin on the head -- Deut 6:8

Duet 6:8 is real. Tying a physical box with the law cut up is a man made tradition devoid of what the word says and means.

That is like ifthe words says "love your neighbor" but man goes, well this guy does not live directly next to me so I don;t have to love him. Im saying it is a twisting of the word; the physical use of tying the law to the body. Very foolish tradition. The verse is about doing it and understanding it.

Deuteronomy 6:8, “and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Deuteronomy 11:18, “And you shall lay up these Words of Mine in your heart and in your being, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.”