Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. Romans 2:26-27
...All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous... Romans 2:12-29
...All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous... Romans 2:12-29
The law was about purifying the outward man/flesh but grace and TRUTH came by JESUS which was about perfecting the spirit where the persons real motivation was located.
Paul was telling them that they were pointing the finger at the gentiles but they did the same thing.
They figured If no one seen them committing adultery then they were not guilty but GOD looks at the heart.
Paul was telling them that they were pointing the finger at the gentiles but they did the same thing.
They figured If no one seen them committing adultery then they were not guilty but GOD looks at the heart.
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You are not addressing Marcelo's point.
If you agree that not one dot has been dropped from the Law, and it is obvious you don't follow the 613 commandments of the Law of Moses, do you ask God for forgiveness for not doing them every day of your life?
And no, a blanket, "Please forgive me if I did not follow it completely" every night does not count. You have to name each of those that you failed to keep.
If not, don't kid yourself, you are not following the Law as what you think Jesus requires you to do.
If you agree that not one dot has been dropped from the Law, and it is obvious you don't follow the 613 commandments of the Law of Moses, do you ask God for forgiveness for not doing them every day of your life?
And no, a blanket, "Please forgive me if I did not follow it completely" every night does not count. You have to name each of those that you failed to keep.
If not, don't kid yourself, you are not following the Law as what you think Jesus requires you to do.
Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up. Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:10-12
The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.
And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:3-9
Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.
God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.
And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Matthew 18:3-9
Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.
God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
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I would like to know whose bible no longer contains Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy? If they are still there, then they have not passed, have they?
I can not find anywhere where we were told till heaven and earth pass they will remain as the binding law, or the "law we are under". As a matter of fact we were told in many different ways they were "for a specific people, a specific time, and would end as such". Were they all fulfilled or not, in OUR opinions, do not change those facts.
What ever they were (the law of Moses), they were only until Jesus sealed the New Covenant. If you can't grasp that by all the different ways in which God tells us, you need to fast and pray until you do. School master till Jesus, shadow till Jesus, until John till Jesus, wax old decay vanish till Jesus, and we all agree "till Jesus" or His flesh life, death and rising has happened. So if they were only "up until Jesus and Jesus has been, then they can no longer be in effect".
To argue with someone who is under the impression that the Law of Moses is running concurrently with the New Covenant, you will never get anywhere.
Maybe what Jesus was saying was "nothing can pass from the law because within it are the details of me and what I am about and what I came to do, and what the gifts you will receive really mean. How the work I will do sets you free from the work that used to be required. How the penalty I will pay sets you free from paying it, how the death I die will defeat the death you were once bound to by bringing in the New Covenant made with my blood".
God is not the author of confusion. He would not bring in a New Covenant that conflicted with the old if they were to both be in force at the same time. We either follow after righteous or confusion.
If you follow the law of love, you follow a "law". Past that, is just YOUR personal choice of what "law" or "commands" you choose, all the rest, some, or not one more of those commands written in the New Covenant.
What is love?
2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it
I would like to know whose bible no longer contains Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy? If they are still there, then they have not passed, have they?
I can not find anywhere where we were told till heaven and earth pass they will remain as the binding law, or the "law we are under". As a matter of fact we were told in many different ways they were "for a specific people, a specific time, and would end as such". Were they all fulfilled or not, in OUR opinions, do not change those facts.
What ever they were, they were only until Jesus sealed the New Covenant. If you can't grasp that by all the different ways in which God tells us, you need to fast and pray until you do. School master till Jesus, shadow till Jesus, until John till Jesus, wax old decay vanish till Jesus, and we all agree "till Jesus" or His flesh life, death and rising has happened.
Maybe what Jesus was saying was "nothing can pass from the law because within it are the details of me and what I am about and what I came to do, and what the gifts you will receive really mean. How the work I will do sets you free from the work that used to be required. How the penalty I will pay sets you free from paying it".
God is not the author of confusion. He would not bring in a New Covenant that conflicted with the old if they were to both be in force at the same time. We either follow after righteous or confusion.
If you follow the law of love, you follow a "law". Past that, is just YOUR personal choice of what "law" or "commands" you choose, all the rest in the New Covenant, some, or not one more.
What is love?
2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Does anyone read this as an "end of the law"? If so you need to take some reading lessons. It is an end of righteousness through the law, not an end of following law.
We are the cause of divisions in the Word by saying somethings apply or don't apply because you are or are not one thing or the other, (except for the elect). Be a Christian or You are none of His. Those are the 2 choices. God does not like division. We all are taught by the same Bible.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject
141 hairetikos
causing division
disposed to form sects, sectarian, heretical, factious
a factious person, specializing in half truths and misimpressions "to win others over" to their personal opinion (misguided zeal) - while creating harmful divisions
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God (And from that moment on NO longer gentiles, but a Christians, like all Christians made into one body)
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
John 17:21 That they all may be one as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed
2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
We should learn from the ways that Paul taught
1 Corinthians 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1 Corinthians 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law
1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1 Corinthians 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
Paul clearly states he is under the law to Christ.
Do not turn from God’s efforts to fulfill the law in our hearts and minds, for if you do you will become lawless and accursed.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ neverthless I live yet not I, but Christ liveth in me and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Christ came in the full volume of the book. Christ gave commands. If Christ be in you, then you have those commands in you, and you follow those commands. If you do not, Christ is not in you. But don't forget for a second, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO EVER BE "MADE RIGHTEOUS" BY THE FOLLOWING OF THE LAWS/COMMANDS, YOU HAVE BEEN MADE RIGHTEOUS BY CHRIST. So why are you going to follow them if not to be made righteous or to be justified? YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THEM BECAUSE CHRIST IS IN YOU. If you do not follow them it is because Christ is not in you. You can't have Christ in you who follows them perfectly if you follow them NOT AT ALL. Super simple.
I can not find anywhere where we were told till heaven and earth pass they will remain as the binding law, or the "law we are under". As a matter of fact we were told in many different ways they were "for a specific people, a specific time, and would end as such". Were they all fulfilled or not, in OUR opinions, do not change those facts.
What ever they were (the law of Moses), they were only until Jesus sealed the New Covenant. If you can't grasp that by all the different ways in which God tells us, you need to fast and pray until you do. School master till Jesus, shadow till Jesus, until John till Jesus, wax old decay vanish till Jesus, and we all agree "till Jesus" or His flesh life, death and rising has happened. So if they were only "up until Jesus and Jesus has been, then they can no longer be in effect".
To argue with someone who is under the impression that the Law of Moses is running concurrently with the New Covenant, you will never get anywhere.
Maybe what Jesus was saying was "nothing can pass from the law because within it are the details of me and what I am about and what I came to do, and what the gifts you will receive really mean. How the work I will do sets you free from the work that used to be required. How the penalty I will pay sets you free from paying it, how the death I die will defeat the death you were once bound to by bringing in the New Covenant made with my blood".
God is not the author of confusion. He would not bring in a New Covenant that conflicted with the old if they were to both be in force at the same time. We either follow after righteous or confusion.
If you follow the law of love, you follow a "law". Past that, is just YOUR personal choice of what "law" or "commands" you choose, all the rest, some, or not one more of those commands written in the New Covenant.
What is love?
2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it
I would like to know whose bible no longer contains Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy? If they are still there, then they have not passed, have they?
I can not find anywhere where we were told till heaven and earth pass they will remain as the binding law, or the "law we are under". As a matter of fact we were told in many different ways they were "for a specific people, a specific time, and would end as such". Were they all fulfilled or not, in OUR opinions, do not change those facts.
What ever they were, they were only until Jesus sealed the New Covenant. If you can't grasp that by all the different ways in which God tells us, you need to fast and pray until you do. School master till Jesus, shadow till Jesus, until John till Jesus, wax old decay vanish till Jesus, and we all agree "till Jesus" or His flesh life, death and rising has happened.
Maybe what Jesus was saying was "nothing can pass from the law because within it are the details of me and what I am about and what I came to do, and what the gifts you will receive really mean. How the work I will do sets you free from the work that used to be required. How the penalty I will pay sets you free from paying it".
God is not the author of confusion. He would not bring in a New Covenant that conflicted with the old if they were to both be in force at the same time. We either follow after righteous or confusion.
If you follow the law of love, you follow a "law". Past that, is just YOUR personal choice of what "law" or "commands" you choose, all the rest in the New Covenant, some, or not one more.
What is love?
2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Does anyone read this as an "end of the law"? If so you need to take some reading lessons. It is an end of righteousness through the law, not an end of following law.
We are the cause of divisions in the Word by saying somethings apply or don't apply because you are or are not one thing or the other, (except for the elect). Be a Christian or You are none of His. Those are the 2 choices. God does not like division. We all are taught by the same Bible.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject
141 hairetikos
causing division
disposed to form sects, sectarian, heretical, factious
a factious person, specializing in half truths and misimpressions "to win others over" to their personal opinion (misguided zeal) - while creating harmful divisions
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Acts 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God (And from that moment on NO longer gentiles, but a Christians, like all Christians made into one body)
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word
John 17:21 That they all may be one as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us that the world may believe that thou hast sent me
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed
2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
We should learn from the ways that Paul taught
1 Corinthians 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1 Corinthians 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law
1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1 Corinthians 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
Paul clearly states he is under the law to Christ.
Do not turn from God’s efforts to fulfill the law in our hearts and minds, for if you do you will become lawless and accursed.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ neverthless I live yet not I, but Christ liveth in me and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Christ came in the full volume of the book. Christ gave commands. If Christ be in you, then you have those commands in you, and you follow those commands. If you do not, Christ is not in you. But don't forget for a second, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO EVER BE "MADE RIGHTEOUS" BY THE FOLLOWING OF THE LAWS/COMMANDS, YOU HAVE BEEN MADE RIGHTEOUS BY CHRIST. So why are you going to follow them if not to be made righteous or to be justified? YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THEM BECAUSE CHRIST IS IN YOU. If you do not follow them it is because Christ is not in you. You can't have Christ in you who follows them perfectly if you follow them NOT AT ALL. Super simple.
OrI showed verses that showed GOd's people do follow His law, so either Paul is wrong OR MOST peoples intrepratation of "not under the law" is wrong.
If it is viewed as it is not to be followed Im saying it is wrong.
If the spirit writes it on the heart and mind how can it be that one should ignore it"
I don't know that is your view but if you think it means that then I hold firm if you hold a different view then im all ears.
1 John 2:3-7, " 3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Revelation 21:10-14, " 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
and about Galatians, yes I ahve studied it deepley, read it many many times. ALl of Pauls writings I ahve read over and over for years. I know them well.
Maybe you should study chapetr 2
Galatians 2:4-14, " 4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— 5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6 And from those who seemed to be influential (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—those, I say, who seemed influential added nothing to me. 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. 11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. 13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
If it is viewed as it is not to be followed Im saying it is wrong.
If the spirit writes it on the heart and mind how can it be that one should ignore it"
I don't know that is your view but if you think it means that then I hold firm if you hold a different view then im all ears.
1 John 2:3-7, " 3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Revelation 21:10-14, " 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
and about Galatians, yes I ahve studied it deepley, read it many many times. ALl of Pauls writings I ahve read over and over for years. I know them well.
Maybe you should study chapetr 2
Galatians 2:4-14, " 4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— 5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6 And from those who seemed to be influential (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—those, I say, who seemed influential added nothing to me. 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. 11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. 13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
AHh ok now you fiunally represent my question, I asked about "focus"
But you still did not answer if its ok to focus on what the Father and Jesus say we must do.
Well it does say they keep God's commands.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
My focus is on Jesus.
Johnn 10:27-30, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord.”
John/ 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."
Can't follow the shepherd without focusing on Him IMO.
and yes I seek to follow His teachings, H says the law is not gone, but that it's key componets are love
See Matt 22:37-40.
But you still did not answer if its ok to focus on what the Father and Jesus say we must do.
Well it does say they keep God's commands.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
My focus is on Jesus.
Johnn 10:27-30, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord.”
John/ 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."
Can't follow the shepherd without focusing on Him IMO.
and yes I seek to follow His teachings, H says the law is not gone, but that it's key componets are love
See Matt 22:37-40.
If the law is not done away
Matthew 5:17-18, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
and the torah is written in the heart and mind:
Jer 31: 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
8451.torah: direction, instruction, law
I know I know not THAT law! lol, but Jesus said nothing would pass from that law untill all is fulfilled nad heaven and earth passed.
neither have happened YET.
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 24:9-12, " 9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"
James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”
James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”
oh wait same law
Matthew 5:17-18, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
and the torah is written in the heart and mind:
Jer 31: 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
8451.torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Definition: direction, instruction, law
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Definition: direction, instruction, law
I know I know not THAT law! lol, but Jesus said nothing would pass from that law untill all is fulfilled nad heaven and earth passed.
neither have happened YET.
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 24:9-12, " 9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
Psalm 119:44-45, "That I might guard Your Law continually, Forever and ever; That I might walk in liberty, For I have sought Your orders;"
James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”
James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”
oh wait same law
i was trying to get u to read these verses.
Revelation 21:10-14, " 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Galatians 2:4-14, " 4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— 5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6 And from those who seemed to be influential (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—those, I say, who seemed influential added nothing to me. 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. 11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. 13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
Revelation 21:10-14, " 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Galatians 2:4-14, " 4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— 5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. 6 And from those who seemed to be influential (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—those, I say, who seemed influential added nothing to me. 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. 11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. 13 And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
Ok, if you look at my posts to him is is not addressing most of what I say, nice way to turn the tables, I posted fully thought out replies and he replied with one line questions, but I still replied to him explaining myself.
Also yes I actually ask for guidance and mercy everyday I suppose, who would be so haughty as not to?
Also yes I actually ask for guidance and mercy everyday I suppose, who would be so haughty as not to?
Strange, you cannot see that you are not following the law at all? The role of the law is supposed to make you come to the end of yourself and run to Jesus, and he will free you from the Law.
You are either married to the Law or to Jesus. You are not supposed to try to keep the Law and run to Jesus every time you fail to do so. That is marrying both, and that is committing adultery. Romans 7:3
You are either married to the Law or to Jesus. You are not supposed to try to keep the Law and run to Jesus every time you fail to do so. That is marrying both, and that is committing adultery. Romans 7:3
nonesense. people ask a question on one topic and move the goal poat in accusation.
nonsense.
the vast majority of my posting is about following Jesus. the law has been brought up and i have been asked particular things concerning it, but you have nice way to accuse.
I hold a view that Jesus is the only way,
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
that His teaching are the ones to follow,
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
and He is our perfect example.
John 13:15, “For I (Jesus) gave you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”
also I do my best with all the strength God gives to follow His law, whe n I sin I ask for mercy, Jesus is the high priest and mediates all law,
Correct me if I am wrong; You are the one who admittedly say you do not follow Jesus because His teachings are not for you, yet I am the one who gets accused.
nonsense.
the vast majority of my posting is about following Jesus. the law has been brought up and i have been asked particular things concerning it, but you have nice way to accuse.
I hold a view that Jesus is the only way,
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
that His teaching are the ones to follow,
Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
and He is our perfect example.
John 13:15, “For I (Jesus) gave you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”
also I do my best with all the strength God gives to follow His law, whe n I sin I ask for mercy, Jesus is the high priest and mediates all law,
Correct me if I am wrong; You are the one who admittedly say you do not follow Jesus because His teachings are not for you, yet I am the one who gets accused.
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In the 4 Gospels, he was only talking to the Lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus raised Paul to reach you, a Gentile. There are at least 14 times where that was mentioned in the scripture.
You are not following Jesus if you are not following Paul, his messenger.
In view of John 13:20, if we are to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour today, we must receive Him through the messenger He sent, and we must believe the gospel His messenger preached.
Jesus raised Paul to reach you, a Gentile. There are at least 14 times where that was mentioned in the scripture.
You are not following Jesus if you are not following Paul, his messenger.
In view of John 13:20, if we are to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour today, we must receive Him through the messenger He sent, and we must believe the gospel His messenger preached.
Do you believe Christ is in you? Yes you do. Do you believe all things are possible with Christ? Yes you do. Then how can you make the statement you can't obey the law? And if your reply is "you can't do it perfectly" then my question is What sins of ours did Jesus die to give us remission of?
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He saeds His disciples out to all nations teach what He taught them;
eXCEPT THAT CNTRADICTS WHAT jESUS SAID:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
AND he sent all His disciples to all pople, Gentiles included:
Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Yet here you are telling me His words are gone and not for gentiles.
John 5:31-32, “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. “There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true.”
Deuteronomy 19:15, “One witness does not rise up against a man concerning any crookedness or any sin that he commits. At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses a matter is established.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
eXCEPT THAT CNTRADICTS WHAT jESUS SAID:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
AND he sent all His disciples to all pople, Gentiles included:
Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Yet here you are telling me His words are gone and not for gentiles.
John 5:31-32, “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. “There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true.”
Deuteronomy 19:15, “One witness does not rise up against a man concerning any crookedness or any sin that he commits. At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses a matter is established.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
I think that bottom line that shows the law is still valid. and yes, I do think the lawis to be followed, especially when written on the heart and mind. Heb 10:16-17
The question would be for who?
1 ohn 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
These (His) people:
Revelation 1:1-2, " 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”
John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
The question would be for who?
1 ohn 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”
These (His) people:
Revelation 1:1-2, " 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”
John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
lol I was eating dinner while typing that! Here is a re post with less typos!
Except your statement contradicts what Jesus said.
He sends His disciples out to all nations to teach what He taught them; that is Gentiles included:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Yet here you are telling me His words are gone and not for gentiles.
Also one can not testify of themselves, and there is a Duet 13 test.
John 5:31-32, “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. “There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true.”
Deuteronomy 19:15, “One witness does not rise up against a man concerning any crookedness or any sin that he commits. At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses a matter is established.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Except your statement contradicts what Jesus said.
He sends His disciples out to all nations to teach what He taught them; that is Gentiles included:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Yet here you are telling me His words are gone and not for gentiles.
Also one can not testify of themselves, and there is a Duet 13 test.
John 5:31-32, “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. “There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true.”
Deuteronomy 19:15, “One witness does not rise up against a man concerning any crookedness or any sin that he commits. At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses a matter is established.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”