Many Christians are habitually refusing to admit error

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

UnitedWithChrist

Well-known member
Aug 12, 2019
3,739
1,928
113
#41
what cult you belonged too? you went from that one to cult of calvinism? o_O
A free-will, or Arminian, Judaizer cult.

So, two strikes against them :)

By the way, I'd appreciate it if you used the word Reformed.

And..in case I haven't mentioned it, I believe it is idolatry to worship free will like many do. Ultimately it is their free will that they attribute to their salvation, not God.

That is why I am Reformed. Reformed people are aware that they owe all the glory for their salvation to God, and they have nothing to boast about, including their wisdom for making a libertarian free-will choice.

Here's a song for you, bud....it shows how sickening free willers are, and how much they glorify themselves in their salvation.

 
Jun 10, 2019
4,304
1,659
113
#42
I think you strive for perfection and as well has to see it in others from them to be accepted into your circle.
 

UnitedWithChrist

Well-known member
Aug 12, 2019
3,739
1,928
113
#43
So a person A who had to divorce a person B because the other party was unfaithful not once but three times, you say you cannot learn from person A.

Knowing the reasons is important not the title three times divorced.
I think I mentioned exceptional circumstances.

That would be exceptional. The exceptions don't define the rule, though. Three percent of abortions are due to legitimate health risks, but this doesn't justify all abortions. I am speaking in terms of generalizations. Scripture provides generalizations, too..for instance, the Bible teaches against lying, but Rahab's lie to protect the spies actually was praiseworthy.
 
Jun 10, 2019
4,304
1,659
113
#44
I think I mentioned exceptional circumstances.

That would be exceptional. The exceptions don't define the rule, though. Three percent of abortions are due to legitimate health risks, but this doesn't justify all abortions. I am speaking in terms of generalizations. Scripture provides generalizations, too..for instance, the Bible teaches against lying, but Rahab's lie to protect the spies actually was praiseworthy.
I hear ya, though I think Jesus learned most about life while eating and drinking wine with the people.
 
Sep 29, 2019
394
170
43
#45
One of the strangest phenomena of modern Christendom is that many Christians refuse to admit it when they are in error, and their errors are pointed out to them. They refuse to say “I am sorry, I was clearly mistaken, and I need to depart from that error, and hold on to the truth”. This would apply to either doctrine or practice, especially today, when so many false beliefs are floating around and being promoted.

This reflects the Bible truth that they are “wise in their own eyes”. But God is not impressed, since that is an evidence of evil: Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. (Proverbs 3:7).

What I have noticed is that just like the evil Democrats in the USA, who always double down on their lies and mischief, many Christians simply double down on their erroneous beliefs, and try to give rebuttals to the truth, instead of acknowledging it, and welcoming it with open arms.

What this really shows is (a) underlying pride and (2) a refusal to submit to the written Word of God. Which means a refusal to submit to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That is a very serious matter: Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.(Acts 7:51) This was a problem for the unbelieving Jews, but it is also a problem for stiff-necked Christians.

All Christians should understand that when Bible truth is presented with supporting Scriptures (quoted in proper context), that it is God’s truth which has been presented. Not someone’s mere opinion. Which means that the response must be appropriate within a heart and soul which has been surrender to God and Christ.

So when someone simply refuses to embrace the truth, and perversely chooses to insist on a lie, it means that the flesh is in control, possibly Satan is in control, but the Holy Spirit is not in control. Which means that the fear of the LORD is absent (as seen in Proverbs 3:7).

This should be regarded as a very serious problem, if the shoe fits. Every person should be asking themselves some very sharp and pointed questions before they express their beliefs, or insist on maintaining their errors:

1. Am I truly saved, and have I surrendered my heart, mind, soul, and will to God completely? If a person is not really saved, then the Holy Spirit is not really their divine Teacher.

2. Am I a novice in the understanding of Scripture, and I am simply learning the truth at this point? Those who are sincerely learning will not insist on false beliefs.

3. Do I really know – from the Bible itself -- what is the truth concerning this subject? Unless one has diligently and carefully studied the Word (without allowing the opinions or doctrines of men to take control) one can easily go into error.

4. Is my belief about a certain matter consistent with (1) the character of God and Christ, (2) all Gospel truth, and (3) all Bible truth? The Bible never contradicts itself, and every doctrine is consistent with every other doctrine. God never contradicts Himself.

5. Am I honest enough (with myself and others) to honestly admit when I am mistaken, and then reject what is inconsistent with the Word of God? This is where the rubber meets the road, and unless we are totally committed to honesty and Bible truth, we will always try to justify our false beliefs. And ultimately become unteachable, and spiritually blind. And that is called “wilful blindness” (for which there is no remedy).
I don't think we can tell someone else what the truth is, for that is a discovery that each person must make. It takes effort, time, study, contemplation and prayer to find our way. If you tell someone what you think the truth is that can lead to resentment at the pushiness involved, or laziness, in that the person accepts something they have not worked for. He who seeks will find.....but finding doesnt happen without seeking.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,615
13,863
113
#46
I don't think we can tell someone else what the truth is, for that is a discovery that each person must make. It takes effort, time, study, contemplation and prayer to find our way. If you tell someone what you think the truth is that can lead to resentment at the pushiness involved, or laziness, in that the person accepts something they have not worked for. He who seeks will find.....but finding doesnt happen without seeking.
Clearly you don't have children, and don't work as a teacher. If you are either, I pity those under your care.
 
Sep 29, 2019
394
170
43
#47
Clearly you don't have children, and don't work as a teacher. If you are either, I pity those under your care.
I was of course talking about adults of sound mind telling other adults of sound mind. Children will be brought up hopefully with the best teaching available from the culture around them, but most importantly the value of questioning and finding things out for themselves.
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#48
Some people can’t help being overweight they might have a condition since birth but that doesn’t mean they can’t be a fitness trainer

this is too funny

seriously

it is



sounds like going for counselling to a marriage counsellor that has been divorced a few times
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#49
If I am having marital problems, am I going to seek advice from an elder who has been married to his wife over 50 years, or am I going to seek advice from a man who has been divorced multiple times? Who is the faithful one who has endured his marriage, and hasn't bailed out during hardships?
this is funny too

suffering is not God's intended relationship for marriage either

I'm not condoning divorce but I am not advocating that a man or woman should stay with an insufferable person just for how it looks
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#50
I would like to know how those who believe they have all their ducks lined up, proceed with those in deception

Deception is probably the most difficult thing to deal with, both for the deceived and the one trying to help them

oh

and

puhleezze with the scripture ... so many use scripture like a poisoned dart rather than trying to illustrate truth

(not applying that last to the op)
 
Jun 10, 2019
4,304
1,659
113
#51
this is too funny

seriously

it is



sounds like going for counselling to a marriage counsellor that has been divorced a few times
Guess you never heard of what’s dubbed as the FTO gene,

or hypothyroidism which cause the metabolism to be slow. yes new born babies can have these and other defects that cause being over weight. it can be a life long battle to maintain their weight.
 
Jun 10, 2019
4,304
1,659
113
#52
Probably everything is a laugh to you 7keys
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#53
Guess you never heard of what’s dubbed as the FTO gene,

or hypothyroidism which cause the metabolism to be slow. yes new born babies can have these and other defects that cause being over weight. it can be a life long battle to maintain their weight.

of course I have heard of it

but to be honest, having frequented gyms (including a pro gym) most of my adult life and continuing in a good exercise program, I cannot remember one single overweight trainer

you were simply making a point with another poster ;)
 

UnitedWithChrist

Well-known member
Aug 12, 2019
3,739
1,928
113
#54
this is funny too

suffering is not God's intended relationship for marriage either

I'm not condoning divorce but I am not advocating that a man or woman should stay with an insufferable person just for how it looks
Actually, I think suffering IS part of the marital relationship.

Marriage is meant to be a reflection of the loving union that Jesus has for the Church.

And he suffered for the Church.

Too many have forgotten (or never knew) that marriage is a model related to Jesus and the Church.

He didn't bail out on the Cross either.

Suffering is an integral part of the Christian life in general, let alone the family/marital relationship.
 
Jun 10, 2019
4,304
1,659
113
#55
of course I have heard of it

but to be honest, having frequented gyms (including a pro gym) most of my adult life and continuing in a good exercise program, I cannot remember one single overweight trainer

you were simply making a point with another poster ;)
And you simply looking in the gym, that is not the only place for personal fitness training is needed.
 
Jun 10, 2019
4,304
1,659
113
#56
Actually, I think suffering IS part of the marital relationship.

Marriage is meant to be a reflection of the loving union that Jesus has for the Church.

And he suffered for the Church.

Too many have forgotten (or never knew) that marriage is a model related to Jesus and the Church.

He didn't bail out on the Cross either.

Suffering is an integral part of the Christian life in general, let alone the family/marital relationship.
No I haven’t I’ve never been married, sure You have wise crack for that?
 

Whispered

Well-known member
Aug 17, 2019
4,551
2,230
113
www.christiancourier.com
#57
I have always provided Scripture for any position I have taken.
Thank you. But that was not my question.
You said:
Nehemiah6 said:
Scripture is always the final arbiter of the truth. And it should become obvious to any third party as to who has solid scriptural support and who does not.



I asked.
Have you ever not?

Perhaps I worded my question poorly. Please permit me to rephrase in light of your answer to that post above.
Have you ever not been supported in your position by the scriptures?
Sure, as I have witnessed in discussions with others, we can excerpt a scripture to support what we're saying. That's easy.
However, the point should be, does the scripture in context of the passage where it is contained support your position?
 
H

Hamarr

Guest
#58
Is this a stealth Bible translation thread?
 
7

7seasrekeyed

Guest
#59
Probably everything is a laugh to you 7keys

guess again :rolleyes:
And you simply looking in the gym, that is not the only place for personal fitness training is needed.
hey listen...who brought up personal trainers?

you are all over the place and honestly, I am very very far from the personal comments you seem to want to engage in

lovely rabbit trail though :sneaky: