Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[seed_time_harvest]

Which of my thoughts, in your perspective, seem to be out of date?

I don't gauge whether or not a law is obsolete, I use Scripture.

Yes, the Law and the prophets are summed up in love.

Your post Is correct but I was trying say that by trying to stay under the old covenant they would have to keep the law under their own strength that’s one reason the law was added so that they would know what GODs perfect standard of righteousness was and no man can be perfect In his own strength.
GOD looks at the heart and because of the weakness of the flesh no man can be perfect at all times In their thoughts.

 

[NayborBear]

Here we go, another one who refuses to acknowledge what people say and twists their words into something that does not even resemble what they said or thought, you all should be ashamed!

The law requires perfection

I can not carry that lad, if i could jesus could hav stayed in heaven, and made us all earn salvation, because we could

You want me to carry your burden of serving and loving others when your weak, when you are tore down by the burden of life, of struggling with a particular sin issue, while (insert whatever problem you are having). I will be there

But to ask me to do the impossible?

And get off your lie about me not wanting to be obedient, i am sick of you self righteous people attacking others who want to grow in grace and truth and really know how to be obedient, because you want to think you follow the law

Am very interested EG.
There are very many definitions of the word/term PERFECT that is used in the Bible!
And you seem to rely pretty heavily on your definition, being the ONLY definition that should be used concerning "the law" and one's ability, or, inability, and, excuse, for NOT following "the law."
Just wondering which definition you use, concerning "the law?"

Jeremiah 2
33 Why trimmest thou thy way to seek love? therefore hast thou also taught the wicked ones thy ways.
35 Yet thou sayest, Because I am innocent, surely his anger shall turn from me. Behold, I will plead with thee, because thou sayest, I have not sinned.


(asking for a friend)

 

[Grandpa]

Here we go, another one who refuses to acknowledge what people say and twists their words into something that does not even resemble what they said or thought, you all should be ashamed!

The law requires perfection

I can not carry that lad, if i could jesus could hav stayed in heaven, and made us all earn salvation, because we could

You want me to carry your burden of serving and loving others when your weak, when you are tore down by the burden of life, of struggling with a particular sin issue, while (insert whatever problem you are having). I will be there

But to ask me to do the impossible?

And get off your lie about me not wanting to be obedient, i am sick of you self righteous people attacking others who want to grow in grace and truth and really know how to be obedient, because you want to think you follow the law

2 Peter 3:17-18
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Isn't it weird that the legalists and Judaizers quote verse 17, except they use the error of the lawless instead of wicked, but then they fail to show Peters solution in verse 18.

Verse 18 is the Solution for being led away with the error of the Lawless. The error of the Lawless/Wicked is that they think their obedience comes because of their work at the law. If that were true then Peter would have said 'But grow in your stubborn instinct to work at the law'.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Paul is saying the same thing as Peter here.

Be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage = be not led away with the error of lawlessness/wicked

Stand fast in the liberty where Christ has made us free = grow in Grace and in the Knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Here we go, another one who refuses to acknowledge what people say and twists their words into something that does not even resemble what they said or thought, you all should be ashamed!

The law requires perfection

I can not carry that lad, if i could jesus could hav stayed in heaven, and made us all earn salvation, because we could

You want me to carry your burden of serving and loving others when your weak, when you are tore down by the burden of life, of struggling with a particular sin issue, while (insert whatever problem you are having). I will be there

But to ask me to do the impossible?

And get off your lie about me not wanting to be obedient, i am sick of you self righteous people attacking others who want to grow in grace and truth and really know how to be obedient, because you want to think you follow the law

Instead of presuming Wokinluv is scheming against you, take a look at your words and honestly look to see if you left your words open to that conclusion....

There is a difference between pointing out difficult situations in others walks and outright hostility.

Please take the time to Capitalize Yahshua's name. Probably a voice to text oversight, but nonetheless everything is being brought under His dominion, including our respect.

SG

 

[NayborBear]

2 Peter 3:17-18
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Isn't it weird that the legalists and Judaizers quote verse 17, except they use the error of the lawless instead of wicked, but then they fail to show Peters solution in verse 18.

Verse 18 is the Solution for being led away with the error of the Lawless. The error of the Lawless/Wicked is that they think their obedience comes because of their work at the law. If that were true then Peter would have said 'But grow in your stubborn instinct to work at the law'.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Paul is saying the same thing as Peter here.

Be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage = be not led away with the error of lawlessness/wicked

Stand fast in the liberty where Christ has made us free = grow in Grace and in the Knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Well? Ya see Grandpa, there seems to be (at least) 2 very differing views concerning salvation and grace.
The one sees salvation by grace through faith alone. Which is at odds with those "striving" in doing "works/efforts" in obtaining the "Holy Priesthood."
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, ACCEPTABLE TO GOD by Jesus Christ.

Concerning which "Holy Priesthood?"
The "Priesthood" of Jesus Christ? Nope!
The "Priesthood" after the order of Melchizedek?
Yes! Of Course!

 

[Grandpa]

Your post Is correct but I was trying say that by trying to stay under the old covenant they would have to keep the law under their own strength that’s one reason the law was added so that they would know what GODs perfect standard of righteousness was and no man can be perfect In his own strength.
GOD looks at the heart and because of the weakness of the flesh no man can be perfect at all times In their thoughts.

How come we can't write that down as self-evident?

How many times does it take for a person to bang their heads against the wall before they look for a different solution?


It looks like "a lot". Maybe 4000yrs worth? 2000yrs after the Solution is given to mankind seems like maybe mankind has some issues...

 

[DeighAnn]

So you think you can keep this command, this requirement?

Moses -

Deuteronomy 27:26
Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

That is from the OLD COVENANT, and what happened to the old? It was a shadow of what was to come? Yes, Our Lord and Saviour Jesus, who DIED on the CROSS, removing the curse, freeing us from the condemnation, by bringing in the NEW. The first one had to go away for the one from JESUS to come in. So why are you quoting ANY LAWS given to MOSES when JESUS DIED TO BRING US LIFE. Quit trying to bind people to something that NO LONGER IS TO BE UNDER. IT WAXED OLD AND DECAYED.

The "JOTS AND TITTLES REMAIN. But for what purpose? The education, the illumination, tools needed to bring others to Christ, ETC. all are JUST AS VALID BUT NOT TO BE UNDER as an invaluable work to use TO TEACH, not to tell others to follow perfectly or die. YOU KNOW THAT is no longer true. You know it was temporary. You know we are no longer under it. You know our sins are forgiven so we do not have to be perfect. What laws do we have now? They are located in the New Covenant. IT IS WRITTEN. HAVE YOU NOT READ?

 

[DeighAnn]

only way to be justified by the law is to keep it 100% and because we cant and wont ever do it only Jesus did thats why nobody is justified by the works of law.

I looked back over the posts and can't find ANY that said they were looking to be justified by the law. Could you please give me the post number.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

notice- Law. singular.

the Law is one Covenant. not divided , as the judeaizers say...

They cant keep it, then get mad and attack people who acknowledge that we can’t do what is required,

It takes more humility to admit a failure than to pump yourself in the chest and think you do something you can,t

 

[Marcelo]

That is a strawman argument. I never said to sacrifice animals:



I said Jesus was the true sacrifice that the sacrificial law was made for. Was it not?

Law keepers in general say the sacrifice of animals was replaced with the sacrifice of Jesus. So, animal sacrifice was removed from the Law and that means ALL has already been fulfilled.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Am very interested EG.
There are very many definitions of the word/term PERFECT that is used in the Bible!
And you seem to rely pretty heavily on your definition, being the ONLY definition that should be used concerning "the law" and one's ability, or, inability, and, excuse, for NOT following "the law."
Just wondering which definition you use, concerning "the law?"

Jeremiah 2
33 Why trimmest thou thy way to seek love? therefore hast thou also taught the wicked ones thy ways.
35 Yet thou sayest, Because I am innocent, surely his anger shall turn from me. Behold, I will plead with thee, because thou sayest, I have not sinned.


(asking for a friend)

Well what did moses, paul and james say.

Deuteronomy 27:26
Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Does all mean all? Or does it mean some? If some, which ones have to be kept? And why did moses say all, and paul declair he understood what moses said, by saying all?

Did moses and paul mess up?

Oh, and lets not forget james

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

So, does perfect mean perfect? According to these mighty men of God, perfect means perfect, 1 strike, your out!

 

[DeighAnn]

And i said, people whomtry to follow the law today are no different. They also THINK they follow the law

They knew Gods laws, but implemented their own. Today we don't try an make any, we try and follow the ones given.

 

[SimpleGardner]

How come we can't write that down as self-evident?

How many times does it take for a person to bang their heads against the wall before they look for a different solution?


It looks like "a lot". Maybe 4000yrs worth? 2000yrs after the Solution is given to mankind seems like maybe mankind has some issues...

Funny! But not really....To love/fear YHWH only and keep His commandments only! Ecc 12:13 This what it has been from the beginning, and ever will be! And yet, from the beginning the echo from the voice of the adversary has been, "surely it isn't so!". Oh yes, the words may vary, but the call to abstain from obedience has always been the charge of the adversary against men. The more he can convince against the clear words of God Himself the more he has helped God sort out the souls who love/obey Him from those who desire to find a way not to.

SG

 

[Marcelo]

Marcelo said: Do you guys in your church put adulterers to death? It's the Law!

Leviticus 20:10

"'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death".

I would neve usurp the role of Jesus:

John 5:22-23, " 22 “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son, 23 that all should value the Son even as they value the Father. He who does not value the Son does not value the Father who sent Him."

Matt 13:41-43, “The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.”

Matthew 3:12

His winnowing fork is in His hand to clear His threshing floor and to gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."


Matthew 8:12

But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Matthew 13:50

and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

You didn't answer my question, but it is obvious that you guys in your church don't put adulterers to death. Stoning of adulterers has been removed from the Law and that means ALL has already been fulfilled.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 Peter 3:17-18
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Isn't it weird that the legalists and Judaizers quote verse 17, except they use the error of the lawless instead of wicked, but then they fail to show Peters solution in verse 18.

Verse 18 is the Solution for being led away with the error of the Lawless. The error of the Lawless/Wicked is that they think their obedience comes because of their work at the law. If that were true then Peter would have said 'But grow in your stubborn instinct to work at the law'.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Paul is saying the same thing as Peter here.

Be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage = be not led away with the error of lawlessness/wicked

Stand fast in the liberty where Christ has made us free = grow in Grace and in the Knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

When you think your righteous, and the law does not condemn you, you have no fear, and you can not see how wicked you really are.

Its also why you attack grace so secretly, because deep in your heart, you know your wrong, but your pride is to deep, so like the pharisee did jesus and his followers, you go after them.

 

[ChristWhoLivesInMe]

Do you guys in your church put adulterers to death? It's the Law!

Leviticus 20:10

"'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death".

[QUOTE="Marcelo, post: 4036744, member: 235404"]Jesus was talking about the law of Moses, not God's law. He was talking about it because the Pharisees were accusing Him of attempting to destroy the Law.[/QUOTE]

First you say the law of Moses is not the law of God ("Jesus was talking about the law of Moses not God's law. But then later you say:

"Law of Moses" is short for "The law of God given to the Hebrews through Moses".

I find that confusing. Are you saying that "God's law" is the Ten Commandments?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Instead of presuming Wokinluv is scheming against you, take a look at your words and honestly look to see if you left your words open to that conclusion....

Dude, i know what i wrote, i think i know it better than you or wokinluv do, since i am the one who wrote it, and i am the one who believes what i believe,

When will you stop telling people what they are saying and start listening to what they say?

There is a difference between pointing out difficult situations in others walks and outright hostility.

Please take the time to Capitalize Yahshua's name. Probably a voice to text oversight, but nonetheless everything is being brought under His dominion, including our respect.

SG

Who is yeshua? You mean God? Jesus! The son of man. He has an english name, stop mocking him by calling him some name one language calls him, his name is known by all nations and all languages, and he is proud of every one of them?

You think you respect him? You cheapen his law, you water it down, you refuse to acknowledge his demand and requirement and attack those who bow to his law and are trained by it, and humbly recieve his grace

You lost the right to correct people the minute you started bearing false witness against them

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is from the OLD COVENANT, and what happened to the old? It was a shadow of what was to come? Yes, Our Lord and Saviour Jesus, who DIED on the CROSS, removing the curse, freeing us from the condemnation, by bringing in the NEW. The first one had to go away for the one from JESUS to come in. So why are you quoting ANY LAWS given to MOSES when JESUS DIED TO BRING US LIFE. Quit trying to bind people to something that NO LONGER IS TO BE UNDER. IT WAXED OLD AND DECAYED.

The "JOTS AND TITTLES REMAIN. But for what purpose? The education, the illumination, tools needed to bring others to Christ, ETC. all are JUST AS VALID BUT NOT TO BE UNDER as an invaluable work to use TO TEACH, not to tell others to follow perfectly or die. YOU KNOW THAT is no longer true. You know it was temporary. You know we are no longer under it. You know our sins are forgiven so we do not have to be perfect. What laws do we have now? They are located in the New Covenant. IT IS WRITTEN. HAVE YOU NOT READ?

Nope

Jesus said not one jot or tittle of that law will pass until heaven and earth pass

That still is in effect today.

Thats why paul, under the new covenant, said whoever (like you people) tries to put themselves under law are cursed.

It stands right here and now

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Greetings FTS,

"Believing" is demonstrated in obedience to that which is to be believed. In other words, if anyone believes the command to do good they will demonstrate their faith in those commands by doing them. Anyone who both knows His commands and keeps them is the "believer". Anyone who opposes His commands has no faith or believes in those commands.

Your question is good! Sadly many boast of their "unbelief".

SG

I believ this to be true, Jesus, James, Revelation all say things along these lines.

James 2:19-20, " 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?

Matthew 21:28-32, " 28 “What do you think? A man had two sons. And he went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work in the vineyard today.’ 29 And he answered, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he changed his mind and went. 30 And he went to the other son and said the same. And he answered, ‘I go, sir,’ but did not go. 31 Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.

Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Is it that hard for you to understand what Marcelo is trying to point out to you?

He is certainly not saying you said "to sacrifice animals".

RIght back at you.

unless heaven and earth pass. untill ALL be fulfilled. both.

Is that really that hard to understand?