Genesis 7:24 + Revelation 9:5 ??

[posthuman]

Sunday our sermon was covering Ecclesiastes 3 & 12 from the perspective of neuro-cardiac biophysics, so naturally Genesis 7:24 and Revelation 9:5 came up. ((seriously))

And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. ​

(Genesis 7:24) ​

​

And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.​

(Revelation 9:5) ​

5 months, scripturally, is 5 thirty-day periods. 150 days. exactly the amount of time the flood prevailed on the earth.

during the period described in Revelation 9, these creatures have power to inflict terrible torment on men - except specifically, not grass, any tree or green thing, or any human with the seal of God. in those days, men will seek death but not find it. ((v. 6))
150 days of this.


can anyone help me understand what the link between the flood and the locusts from the pit is?
to me it is clearly linked: 150 days is not an arbitrary or coincidental number.
if you think they are not linked, that's fine, tell me so if you like, but you're not really helping along the thread & i think you're wrong.

everything with the breath of life that moves on the earth dying vs. everything not grass, not a tree, not a green thing, not having the seal of God on its forehead, tormented but unable to die. for 150 days.
how are these connected?

thanks

 

[maxwel]

Well...

150 days is also 120 periods of 1.25 days.


So if you look at it like that, well, that's like 10 periods for each of the 12 tribes of Israel...
and 10 is the number of hours in the day if you subtract 14 which happens to be the exact sum of 9 + 5, with 9 being the square of the trinity, and 5 being the sum of 3+2 which exactly corresponds to the trinity + Adam and Eve... and Eve was a woman and everyone knows about the wrath of a "woman scorned" and scorned sounds a lot like "scorpion"... and there you have it... right back to Revelation 9:5.

You're welcome.
.

 

[GaryA]

Sunday our sermon was covering Ecclesiastes 3 & 12 from the perspective of neuro-cardiac biophysics, so naturally Genesis 7:24 and Revelation 9:5 came up. ((seriously))

And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. ​

(Genesis 7:24) ​

​

And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.​

(Revelation 9:5) ​

5 months, scripturally, is 5 thirty-day periods. 150 days. exactly the amount of time the flood prevailed on the earth.

during the period described in Revelation 9, these creatures have power to inflict terrible torment on men - except specifically, not grass, any tree or green thing, or any human with the seal of God. in those days, men will seek death but not find it. ((v. 6))
150 days of this.


can anyone help me understand what the link between the flood and the locusts from the pit is?
to me it is clearly linked: 150 days is not an arbitrary or coincidental number.
if you think they are not linked, that's fine, tell me so if you like, but you're not really helping along the thread & i think you're wrong.

everything with the breath of life that moves on the earth dying vs. everything not grass, not a tree, not a green thing, not having the seal of God on its forehead, tormented but unable to die. for 150 days.
how are these connected?

thanks

Two things tied to the same number does not mandate that they are tied to each other.

Before/Without getting into a 'number' study --- I would suggest that - at the very least - and possibly at the very most - the significance of the number applies to each thing separately.

I would not suggest comparing the two things to each other; only, if anything, look for a common significance of each thing - with regard to - and relative to - the number [only].

The "connection" you seek is very likely not anything beyond the significance of the number itself.

In other words, the significance of the number will apply to each thing separately, but not necessarily in any way that would link the two things to each other.

Or, are you actually asking:

"What common 'meaning' can be applied to each thing separately?"

 

[p_rehbein]

Well, given what they will be subjected to, I'm fairly sure they will end up looking like this:

 

[Nehemiah6]

...if you think they are not linked, that's fine, tell me so if you like...

No connection as such.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Sunday our sermon was covering Ecclesiastes 3 & 12 from the perspective of neuro-cardiac biophysics, so naturally Genesis 7:24 and Revelation 9:5 came up. ((seriously))

And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. ​

(Genesis 7:24) ​

​

And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.​

(Revelation 9:5) ​

5 months, scripturally, is 5 thirty-day periods. 150 days. exactly the amount of time the flood prevailed on the earth.

during the period described in Revelation 9, these creatures have power to inflict terrible torment on men - except specifically, not grass, any tree or green thing, or any human with the seal of God. in those days, men will seek death but not find it. ((v. 6))
150 days of this.


can anyone help me understand what the link between the flood and the locusts from the pit is?
to me it is clearly linked: 150 days is not an arbitrary or coincidental number.
if you think they are not linked, that's fine, tell me so if you like, but you're not really helping along the thread & i think you're wrong.

everything with the breath of life that moves on the earth dying vs. everything not grass, not a tree, not a green thing, not having the seal of God on its forehead, tormented but unable to die. for 150 days.
how are these connected?

thanks

"And the waters prevailed upon the earth for 150 days." - Gen.7:24

"The locusts were not given power to kill them, but only to torment them for five months, and their torment was like the stinging of a scorpion." - Rev.9:5

The only thing that these two verses have in common is the 150 days. Other than that, there is nothing linking them together.

The event of the flood took place in the ancient past, where the sounding of the 5th trumpet is a future event. The 150 days mentioned (5 months), is just the amount of time that God is going to allow the 5th trumpet to take place.

Those sealed in their foreheads who will be exempt from the stings of these demonic locusts, is referring to the 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel who are sealed in Rev.7.

The fact that these demonic locusts are commanded not to not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree and the fact that they have as king over them the angel of the Abyss, is indicative of intelligence.

 

[jb]

if you think they are not linked, that's fine, tell me so if you like...

There is absolutely NO linkage whatsoever, and trying to make one fit is at the very least twisting Scripture!

 

[posthuman]

There is absolutely NO linkage whatsoever, and trying to make one fit is at the very least twisting Scripture!

150 days is totally arbitrary random number? Totally purposeless coincidence they are the same?
Judgement of the whole earth by water and by fire completely unrelated events with no crossover themes?

OK. Thanks for your input.

 

[posthuman]

Matthew 24:37
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

 

[posthuman]

Why aren't the green things harmed in Revelation 9, and why aren't the things in the sea harmed in Genesis 7?

 

[PennEd]

Sunday our sermon was covering Ecclesiastes 3 & 12 from the perspective of neuro-cardiac biophysics, so naturally Genesis 7:24 and Revelation 9:5 came up. ((seriously))

And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. ​

(Genesis 7:24) ​

​

And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.​

(Revelation 9:5) ​

5 months, scripturally, is 5 thirty-day periods. 150 days. exactly the amount of time the flood prevailed on the earth.

during the period described in Revelation 9, these creatures have power to inflict terrible torment on men - except specifically, not grass, any tree or green thing, or any human with the seal of God. in those days, men will seek death but not find it. ((v. 6))
150 days of this.


can anyone help me understand what the link between the flood and the locusts from the pit is?
to me it is clearly linked: 150 days is not an arbitrary or coincidental number.
if you think they are not linked, that's fine, tell me so if you like, but you're not really helping along the thread & i think you're wrong.

everything with the breath of life that moves on the earth dying vs. everything not grass, not a tree, not a green thing, not having the seal of God on its forehead, tormented but unable to die. for 150 days.
how are these connected?

thanks

While you're digging, you might want to check out what happened after the 150 days. Namely, the 40 days the Ark rested atop Ararat before they could exit.

I am convinced the raven in this verse is synonymous with satan:
Genesis 8:6-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 So it came to pass, at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made. 7 Then he sent out a raven, which kept going to and fro until the waters had dried up from the earth.

Notice how the raven DOESN'T return to the Ark, but keeps going to and fro. So where did the raven land and what did it eat? I propose the bodies of the dead.
1 Peter 5:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Job 1:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 And the Lord said to [a]Satan, “From where do you come?”

So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”


It appears from the text Noah sent out the Dove at the same time as he sent out the raven. I think we all can figure out that the Dove represents the Lord, in the form of the Holy Spirit.

Very interestingly, seven days AFTER he sent the birds out the 1st time, he sent out the Dove again and she brings back a symbol of Peace on the Earth with the olive branch.

Wonder how that "7" can relate to what happens during the 7 yr Trib in Rev?

 

[Grandpa]

Matthew 24:37
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

This is what happens when you see things that other people don't see.

2 Corinthians 7:5-10
5 For, when we were come into Macedonia, our flesh had no rest, but we were troubled on every side; without were fightings, within were fears.
6 Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming of Titus;
7 And not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your fervent mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the more.
8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.


What are the causes of these Godly sorrows? When you are "in" the sorrows it appears you are not saved "yet".

But when you come out of them you find out they are what "worketh repentance to salvation".

No one wants to go through the 150 days of scorpions or flood. But when you come through it you are better off than when you went in...


Not sure if this relates but it seems to... to me.

 

[posthuman]

In other words, the significance of the number will apply to each thing separately, but not necessarily in any way that would link the two things to each other.

very useful.
we need to know the significance of 150 days, & how the significance of the number is determined is by understanding it in all the places the word of God specifies it: but it is in the union of those things that scripture speaks of what the significance of the length of time is, so it is necessarily so that their union is nonempty, IMO, therefore there is necessarily a link in these things. ((or, the scripture is randomly arbitrary and includes words of God of no significance. that's the alternative, and i don't believe it.))
we can't understand how Revelation 19 & Genesis 7 are linked until we understand both of them, and understanding both of them includes understanding what 150 days means. to understand what 150 days means we also need to understand where and how 150 days is spoken of in scripture.



so, i found this interesting today:

Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.​

And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”​

Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Now the men were about twelve in all.​

And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God.​

But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the Way before the multitude, he departed from them and withdrew the disciples, reasoning daily in the school of Tyrannus. And this continued for two years, so that all who dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks. ​

(Acts 18:24 -19:10)​

• two witnesses explain a "more accurate" gospel to Apollos.
• Apollos greatly helps those who have believed by grace.
• Paul teaches 12 disciples this "more accurate" word of the Lord
• Paul testifies to the Jews for 150 days about the things of the kingdom of God
• having been rejected, he goes instead to a people called out of all nations for two years.
  

 

[posthuman]

Well...

150 days is also 120 periods of 1.25 days.


So if you look at it like that, well, that's like 10 periods for each of the 12 tribes of Israel...
and 10 is the number of hours in the day if you subtract 14 which happens to be the exact sum of 9 + 5, with 9 being the square of the trinity, and 5 being the sum of 3+2 which exactly corresponds to the trinity + Adam and Eve... and Eve was a woman and everyone knows about the wrath of a "woman scorned" and scorned sounds a lot like "scorpion"... and there you have it... right back to Revelation 9:5.

You're welcome.
.

but Max, i'm not doing arbitrary math.
i'm not even doing math ((yet)). i'm just seeing a single, definite length of time in scripture specified in two places.
two places whose contexts both include worldwide judgement, a remnant of the ones under judgement having being sealed by God, and a segment of the total population of life on the planet being not subject to that judgement.
i'm asking if anyone sees the connection there with some kind of clarity. maybe we can do some math later once we have some 'knowns' listed and an operator or two defined

plus, Eve wasn't scorned in Genesis - even when she deserved scorn Adam chose to join her in death, and God clothed her and Adam gave her an awesome new name and God blessed her with sons. she received love

 

[maxwel]

but Max, i'm not doing arbitrary math.
i'm not even doing math ((yet)). i'm just seeing a single, definite length of time in scripture specified in two places.
two places whose contexts both include worldwide judgement, a remnant of the ones under judgement having being sealed, and a segment of the total population of life on the planet being not subject to that judgement.
i'm asking if anyone sees the connection there with some kind of clarity.

plus, Eve wasn't scorned in Genesis - even when she deserved scorn Adam chose to join her in death, and God clothed her and Adam gave her an awesome new name and God blessed her with sons.

I was just being silly.... it was late, lol.

I don't believe anything in the scripture is arbitrary or random.
However, that doesn't mean that two instances of the same number are necessarily connected.
They may be, or they may not be.
If God sometimes uses the same word in different ways, then he could also use the same number in different ways.
I think that when we find something odd in scripture, it's perfectly fine to study it out, and see what we find.

There's nothing wrong with genuine believers asking questions and digging around in scripture.

If God commands us to study his word, then it must please him when we do that.

.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sunday our sermon was covering Ecclesiastes 3 & 12 from the perspective of neuro-cardiac biophysics, so naturally Genesis 7:24 and Revelation 9:5 came up. ((seriously))

And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days. ​

(Genesis 7:24) ​

​

And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.​

(Revelation 9:5) ​

5 months, scripturally, is 5 thirty-day periods. 150 days. exactly the amount of time the flood prevailed on the earth.

during the period described in Revelation 9, these creatures have power to inflict terrible torment on men - except specifically, not grass, any tree or green thing, or any human with the seal of God. in those days, men will seek death but not find it. ((v. 6))
150 days of this.


can anyone help me understand what the link between the flood and the locusts from the pit is?
to me it is clearly linked: 150 days is not an arbitrary or coincidental number.
if you think they are not linked, that's fine, tell me so if you like, but you're not really helping along the thread & i think you're wrong.

everything with the breath of life that moves on the earth dying vs. everything not grass, not a tree, not a green thing, not having the seal of God on its forehead, tormented but unable to die. for 150 days.
how are these connected?

thanks

One thing I will point out.....IF the rapture had taken place WHY ARE THERE SAVED, SEALED MEN on the planet......ponder that.....let me think on the other....I.E. your question

 

[dcontroversal]

I have always wondered about that particular time frame and why it was exactly 5 months......