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Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants (Heb. nĕphiyl), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants (Heb. nĕphiyl): and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deuteronomy 2:10-11 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants (Heb. rapha' ), as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:20-21 (That also was accounted a land of giants (Heb. rapha' ): giants (Heb. rapha' ) dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
The giants in Numbers were nephilim and, according to the verse, the sons of Anak were nĕphiyl.
In Deuteronomy, the word used is not nĕphiyl ... it is rapha' . Whether rapha' or nĕphiyl, they are related. Scripture does not indicate how they are related, but we know from Numbers sons of Anak are referred to as nĕphiyl and in Deuteronomy, the zamzummims were as tall as the Anakims (sons of Anak) and the zamzummims are referred to as rapha' .
nĕphiyl = nephilim
rapha' = rephaim
Og was a rapha' ... Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants (rapha' ); behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
In 2 Samuel we have another record of rapha' :
2 Samuel 21:
18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant (rapha' ).
19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant (rapha' ).
21 And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him.
22 These four were born to the giant (rapha' ) in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
Deuteronomy 2:10-11 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants (Heb. rapha' ), as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:20-21 (That also was accounted a land of giants (Heb. rapha' ): giants (Heb. rapha' ) dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
The giants in Numbers were nephilim and, according to the verse, the sons of Anak were nĕphiyl.
In Deuteronomy, the word used is not nĕphiyl ... it is rapha' . Whether rapha' or nĕphiyl, they are related. Scripture does not indicate how they are related, but we know from Numbers sons of Anak are referred to as nĕphiyl and in Deuteronomy, the zamzummims were as tall as the Anakims (sons of Anak) and the zamzummims are referred to as rapha' .
nĕphiyl = nephilim
rapha' = rephaim
Og was a rapha' ... Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants (rapha' ); behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
In 2 Samuel we have another record of rapha' :
2 Samuel 21:
18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant (rapha' ).
19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant (rapha' ).
21 And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him.
22 These four were born to the giant (rapha' ) in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
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Angels did not drown in the flood. nĕphiyl drowned.
nĕphiyl were the offspring resulting from when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them.
the children are referred to as nĕphiyl and they all drowned in the flood.
The angels that sinned, were cast down to hell, and delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment (2 Peter 2:4).
Jude 1:6 tells us that the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
nĕphiyl were the offspring resulting from when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them.
the children are referred to as nĕphiyl and they all drowned in the flood.
The angels that sinned, were cast down to hell, and delivered into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment (2 Peter 2:4).
Jude 1:6 tells us that the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
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And confirmed with triple redundancy in Scripture. Doctrine doesn't get any sounder than that. Alister Begg is a Sethite theory man. Incredible really. And when you hear his preaching on the matter it is quite obviously tip-toeing, side-stepping, and soft-shoeing around the blatant truth of the matter.
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Thanks .
Can a non human messenger as angel literally drown? Or do they have a appointed time and have been here from the day they were created ?
Scripture identifies them as neither male nor female and they do not marry . It would seem that kind could not drown until it is cast into the sea on the last day to represent the unclean, natural man . It would seem they will be here until the last day just as the law .
Can a non human messenger as angel literally drown? Or do they have a appointed time and have been here from the day they were created ?
Scripture identifies them as neither male nor female and they do not marry . It would seem that kind could not drown until it is cast into the sea on the last day to represent the unclean, natural man . It would seem they will be here until the last day just as the law .
Yes the Bible is one cohesive book. Remove a verse from Mathew remove if from the book of law (the Bible) add one to James add to the book of the law . (no theories in the Bible)
I would not hesitate to call them chapters. A chapter book. books as chapters.
One Shepard as the author and finisher of our new born again faith
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.Eccl 12:11
To protect the integrity in Revelation he has sealed off the possibility of adding with seven seals sealed till the end of time . And in Deuteronomy 4:2 another safeguard to protect His integrity . Do not add or subtract from a word, singular, it can change the authors intent. Plagiarism a form of Blasphemy
Book of Jubilees and Book of Enoch. True Pharisees trying to protect a law of the fathers a false zeal for knowing God. Writings developed during a 400 year silent period. Corrupt Judaism.
They are the same manner of spirit that went after Paul after his conversion and they claimed all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) was heresy so that they might keep the private revelations as interpretations of men .
There were no silent periods for them like the Catholic today there are many mystics claiming thus says the Lord I saw Him there or One named Mary in another place. Receiving private revelations as private interpretations of men. they refuse to abide in either warning Deuteronomy 4 or that of the Revelation 22 It would seem God has sent a strong delusion . The gospel light is needed in those areas
2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
I would not hesitate to call them chapters. A chapter book. books as chapters.
One Shepard as the author and finisher of our new born again faith
The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.Eccl 12:11
To protect the integrity in Revelation he has sealed off the possibility of adding with seven seals sealed till the end of time . And in Deuteronomy 4:2 another safeguard to protect His integrity . Do not add or subtract from a word, singular, it can change the authors intent. Plagiarism a form of Blasphemy
Book of Jubilees and Book of Enoch. True Pharisees trying to protect a law of the fathers a false zeal for knowing God. Writings developed during a 400 year silent period. Corrupt Judaism.
They are the same manner of spirit that went after Paul after his conversion and they claimed all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) was heresy so that they might keep the private revelations as interpretations of men .
There were no silent periods for them like the Catholic today there are many mystics claiming thus says the Lord I saw Him there or One named Mary in another place. Receiving private revelations as private interpretations of men. they refuse to abide in either warning Deuteronomy 4 or that of the Revelation 22 It would seem God has sent a strong delusion . The gospel light is needed in those areas
2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Although obviously not sure, I am of the belief that demons differ from fallen angels. I think they are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim and raphaim.
Because they were not created by God, their spirit does not return to Him, and they will have no resurrection at all, but just simply occupy the abyss. Whatever that place is, they surely don't want to go there.
Isaiah 26:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 O Lord our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
Because they were not created by God, their spirit does not return to Him, and they will have no resurrection at all, but just simply occupy the abyss. Whatever that place is, they surely don't want to go there.
Isaiah 26:13-14 King James Version (KJV)
13 O Lord our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
People have been so programmed since youth to have a certain idea of what Angels are, or should be, they simply cannot get to the unequivocable truth that angels had sex ON EARTH, NOT in Heaven, with human women, resulting in a hybrid race of beings, as clearly stated in Jude and I would argue Genesis and elsewhere.
WHY ARE THE ANGELS IN CHAINS RIGHT NOW? The Sethite crowd has no answer to that. Jude flat out tells us it is because of a sexual sin.
Our Bible study group went from about 5 people on board, to almost 25 out of about 30 on board, after studying this Scripture, that is virtually ignored by most Churches.
I think this issue will have huge ramifications related to the anti-christ, and therefore is more than just an interesting pursuit.
WHY ARE THE ANGELS IN CHAINS RIGHT NOW? The Sethite crowd has no answer to that. Jude flat out tells us it is because of a sexual sin.
Our Bible study group went from about 5 people on board, to almost 25 out of about 30 on board, after studying this Scripture, that is virtually ignored by most Churches.
I think this issue will have huge ramifications related to the anti-christ, and therefore is more than just an interesting pursuit.
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Normally I am disinclined to the fantastic (which in no way says that the fantastic is impossible, just less likely). I usually find the more mundane answer to be more plausible. However, I can see how Job, using the words "sons of God" as reference to angels, and how the comparison made in Jude gives good reason to come to this conclusion. I now consider this a plausible answer.
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Great Hollywood drama special effects department . But provides nothing in regard to any gospel message .What's the gospel warning ? Beware of entertaining tall people? Angels are not shift changers. They cannot take on literal form any more than could Satan in the garden
The antichrists are here. The motive of operation. . . men influenced by the god of this world Satan. . . insisting other men seen teach them and not the Holy Spirit.(1 John2:27-28)
Peter is used as a example of one the many antichrists who were there .He was forgiven of his blasphemy more than once.
Jesus said to peter get behind me Satan .You have in mind the things of men that walk after what the eyes see (no faith )
Its all about walking by faith the unseen, the generation of Christ the eternal . Not after the corrupted flesh of mankind the evil generation, the temporal
Same kind of deception in the garden putting a face on a lying spirit that has no form not created form the dust . You will not surely die.
Genesis six is simply explaining a "unevenly yoked" situation. Noah family was used to reserve the seed that Onan spilled, seeing no value in spiritual unseen matters of faith..
There is not one reason why we would give lying spirits angels a body by which they could multiply .They as spirit being are neither male nor female. Same spirit of lies that were created in the beginning are still here .No genealogy after that kind.
Where is the gospel come in in a case like that . What's the warning .Don't date tall men you might be entertaining demon?
Genesis 6:1 King James Version (KJV) And it came to pass, when men (not angel without form and gender ) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters (not angel without form and gender ) were born unto them,
When men not when lying spirits began to multiply. Angels as demons cannot. . . impossible. God creates after kinds.
Unconverted mankind is represented by daughters of men. Daughter of men as used to represent the bride. Eve the mother of us all Our father the father of a of all Sons of God. Converted mankind is represented by Sons of God as born again ones.
Genesis 6:2That the sons of God (born again believers) saw the daughters of men (natural mankind ) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants (tall people not the context, simply a observation )in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (born again believers) came in unto the daughters of men, (un converted mankind )and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men( not mighty angels) which were of old, men of renown. (Men like David the giant slayers, not angel slayer )
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man (not the wickedness of angels ) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
The antichrists are here. The motive of operation. . . men influenced by the god of this world Satan. . . insisting other men seen teach them and not the Holy Spirit.(1 John2:27-28)
Peter is used as a example of one the many antichrists who were there .He was forgiven of his blasphemy more than once.
Jesus said to peter get behind me Satan .You have in mind the things of men that walk after what the eyes see (no faith )
Its all about walking by faith the unseen, the generation of Christ the eternal . Not after the corrupted flesh of mankind the evil generation, the temporal
Same kind of deception in the garden putting a face on a lying spirit that has no form not created form the dust . You will not surely die.
Genesis six is simply explaining a "unevenly yoked" situation. Noah family was used to reserve the seed that Onan spilled, seeing no value in spiritual unseen matters of faith..
There is not one reason why we would give lying spirits angels a body by which they could multiply .They as spirit being are neither male nor female. Same spirit of lies that were created in the beginning are still here .No genealogy after that kind.
Where is the gospel come in in a case like that . What's the warning .Don't date tall men you might be entertaining demon?
Genesis 6:1 King James Version (KJV) And it came to pass, when men (not angel without form and gender ) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters (not angel without form and gender ) were born unto them,
When men not when lying spirits began to multiply. Angels as demons cannot. . . impossible. God creates after kinds.
Unconverted mankind is represented by daughters of men. Daughter of men as used to represent the bride. Eve the mother of us all Our father the father of a of all Sons of God. Converted mankind is represented by Sons of God as born again ones.
Genesis 6:2That the sons of God (born again believers) saw the daughters of men (natural mankind ) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants (tall people not the context, simply a observation )in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (born again believers) came in unto the daughters of men, (un converted mankind )and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men( not mighty angels) which were of old, men of renown. (Men like David the giant slayers, not angel slayer )
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man (not the wickedness of angels ) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Sons of God is used two ways . One in reference to angels as administering spirits not created after the rudiments of this world .No temporal breath of life. And those born of God called born again .The qualifier being as many seen or not seen that are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God the new creature .. ultimately as new creatures the bride of Christ, the church.
The Jude passage administering spirits of the gospel.
Romans 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
The Jude passage administering spirits of the gospel.
Romans 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
plagiarism..... "literary thief"
The father of plagiarism. You will not surly die as the counterfeiter.
www.dictionary.com/browse/plagiarism
Plagiarism definition, an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author: It is said that he plagiarized Thoreau's plagiarism of a line written by Montaigne. See more.
Etymology[edit]
From plagiary + -ism.
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plagiarism (countable and uncountable, plural plagiarisms)
The word Apostle "sent one" with no other meaning added. .
Not venreable ones . Abel the first apostle sent from God. The first martyr killed for brining the gospel message .
Apostolicical succssion or the idea of aporaloic time period .neither fit into the bibles definition.
There are apostles (sent ones) today just as there was in the Old testement .
The father of plagiarism. You will not surly die as the counterfeiter.
www.dictionary.com/browse/plagiarism
Plagiarism definition, an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author: It is said that he plagiarized Thoreau's plagiarism of a line written by Montaigne. See more.
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From plagiary + -ism.
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plagiarism (countable and uncountable, plural plagiarisms)
- (uncountable) Copying of another person's ideas, text or other creative work, and presenting it as one's own, especially without permission; plagiarizing.Even if it's not illegal, plagiarism is usually frowned upon.Copy from one, it's plagiarism. Copy from two, it's research.
- (uncountable) Text or other work resulting from this act.The novel was awash in plagiarism, with entire passages lifted verbatim.
- (countable) The instance of plagiarism.
The word Apostle "sent one" with no other meaning added. .
Not venreable ones . Abel the first apostle sent from God. The first martyr killed for brining the gospel message .
Apostolicical succssion or the idea of aporaloic time period .neither fit into the bibles definition.
There are apostles (sent ones) today just as there was in the Old testement .
Could be ... unless they are currently bound by chains as shown in Jude 1:6.
There may be some angels in league with satan that did not leave their first estate to be involved with the daughters of men resulting in nephilim and rephaim. Still evil spirits doing satan's bidding, and still free to roam the earth where they are involved in all sorts of havoc.
right ... nephilim / rephaim are progeny of sons of God / daughters of men. I believe some were utterly destroyed in the flood of Noah ... later irruption destroyed in the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah. The children of Israel were tasked with utterly destroying all when they went into the promised land. The task was not completed and we see some rephaim still around in time of David.
Who knows ... could be some of the evil which we see in our day and time results from rephaim still being around influencing natural man with their evil thoughts and deeds.
There may be some angels in league with satan that did not leave their first estate to be involved with the daughters of men resulting in nephilim and rephaim. Still evil spirits doing satan's bidding, and still free to roam the earth where they are involved in all sorts of havoc.
right ... nephilim / rephaim are progeny of sons of God / daughters of men. I believe some were utterly destroyed in the flood of Noah ... later irruption destroyed in the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah. The children of Israel were tasked with utterly destroying all when they went into the promised land. The task was not completed and we see some rephaim still around in time of David.
Who knows ... could be some of the evil which we see in our day and time results from rephaim still being around influencing natural man with their evil thoughts and deeds.