Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[wokinluv]

By doing what i have said since day one

1. Love others, out their needs above your own
2. Seeking after the things of the spirit
3. In seeking and loving, you produce fruit of the spirit, (in this case sharing each others burdens)

You cant be told how to do this by the law, you learn it by taking hods love and sharing that and using it to empower you to love each other

It's nice to read this lovely response.

Let's say that my burden is the 10
commandments, would you carry it for me? Or would you rather call me a works salvationist and insult me for taking heed and obeying those commandments which were summed up into one rule which is to "love your neighbour as yourself"? Is this a heavy burden for you to carry for me and Jesus?

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1 John 4:7-21

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You must never study the words of Yahshua EG because clearly He did NOT consider the Pharisees "Law abiding" quite the contrary! Her referred to them as hypocrites and vipers and more.

I have pointed this out to you several times when you refer to the Pharisees as "Law keepers" and yet over and over and over you continue to cite them as Godly!

Why do you need them to be seen as Godly? Is this the only way you can justify your doctrine?

SG

Yes. Have studied gods words

You, you need to learn to read, i said the pharisees thought they obeyed the law, i did not say christ said that

And i said, people whomtry to follow the law today are no different. They also THINK they follow the law

Well news flash, jesus would say the same thing about todays lawywrs he did the Pharisees

You have not changed one bit my friend, you refuse to listen, you think you know, then you come at me like you are some source of revelation and say i keep saying wrong stuff.

Again, discernment would be your friend

You want to become a modern day pharisee who THINKS they follow the law.. feel free

These are my words not once did i say they were righteous people i said they THOUGHT,,

You should be ashamed

 

[SimpleGardner]

Yes. Have studied gods words

You, you need to learn to read, i said the pharisees thought they obeyed the law, i did not say christ said that

And i said, people whomtry to follow the law today are no different. They also THINK they follow the law

Well news flash, jesus would say the same thing about todays lawywrs he did the Pharisees

You have not changed one bit my friend, you refuse to listen, you think you know, then you come at me like you are some source of revelation and say i keep saying wrong stuff.

Again, discernment would be your friend



These are my words not once did i say they were righteous people i said they THOUGHT,,

You should be ashamed

Misleading EG, misleading!

SG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I still think you have to obey the law, and when you don't it is a sin that calls for repentance not only for forgiveness but also to get it blotted out of the book. Just as important as love, it is of the mind, and we are held accountable. And to a higher standard. Satan wants us to obey "the letter of the law" as opposed to "the intent of the law". Remember that law we now judge is the law we will be judged by.

You cant obey the law

Thats the point your missing

We need to work to be righteous, and breaking the law is sin, but we cant keep the law so why try to do what you cant do,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's nice to read this lovely response.

Let's say that my burden is the 10
commandments, would you carry it for me? Or would you rather call me a works salvationist and insult me for taking heed and obeying those commandments which were summed up into one rule which is to "love your neighbour as yourself"? Is this a heavy burden for you to carry for me and Jesus?

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1 John 4:7-21

I cant carry it for you, christ can, he did,

Can you ask him to carry that burden, because you cant either

Lets carry the burden of serving and loving others, not doing something which is impossible,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Misleading EG, misleading!

SG

No what was misleading what your interpretation of what i said.

I did not say they were following the law, i said modern day lawyers want to be like them, THINKING they obey he law

But i gave up on you owning up to a mistake along time ago, i can just pray you change one day

 

[SimpleGardner]

No what was misleading what your interpretation of what i said.

I did not say they were following the law, i said modern day lawyers want to be like them, THINKING they obey he law

But i gave up on you owning up to a mistake along time ago, i can just pray you change one day

Okay...

 

[wokinluv]

I cant carry it for you, christ can, he did,

Can you ask him to carry that burden, because you cant either

Lets carry the burden of serving and loving others, not doing something which is impossible,

I cant carry it for you, christ can, he did,

This is a clear admission that you cannot follow any law even the law of Christ. Is it because(according to you)God created us so He can serve us? If you can't carry another's burden then it means that you don't really have love and if you can't follow the law of Christ, what does it make you?

Can you ask him to carry that burden, because you cant either

Jesus did not say "don't carry each other's burden because you can't." What He said thru Paul is to carry each other's burden and thereby or you will, fulfil the law of Christ.

Lets carry the burden of serving and loving others, not doing something which is impossible,

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:16-26

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

The sacrifice of animals was removed from the Law and replaced with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. That means "ALL" has already been fulfilled, because nothing could be removed from the Law until "ALL" had been fulfilled,

That is a strawman argument. I never said to sacrifice animals:

But I have sacrificed:

the true Passover Lamb, Jesus.

Without spot and without blemish.

1 Peter 1:18-19, " 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

I said Jesus was the true sacrifice that the sacrificial law was made for. Was it not?

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Do you guys in your church put adulterers to death? It's the Law!

Leviticus 20:10

"'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death".

I would neve usurp the role of Jesus:

John 5:22-23, " 22 “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son, 23 that all should value the Son even as they value the Father. He who does not value the Son does not value the Father who sent Him."

Matt 13:41-43, “The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.”





Matthew 3:12


His winnowing fork is in His hand to clear His threshing floor and to gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."





Matthew 8:12


But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."





Matthew 13:50


and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

this is why I do not interact with you guys that much. instead of responding to my response to you, you jumped somewhere else in Scripture, then fire off another question that has nothing to do with what I said back to you.

so, this is what Hebrew roots does. one of goals is to try to keep Christians off balance by hop-schothing all over the Bible and keep them on the defensive by firing off endless questions and usually not responding to what is said back to you.
nothing new, just more of the same.

What are you talking about, someone else spkoe on me and I replied then you say this. OK sure. Just throw everyone into a group you can slander and it all good. Honestly what I think it is causing this is becaus Jesus words are not as welcome as many act like they are.

DO you believe this from Jesus?

John 5:28-29, " 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

 

[DeighAnn]

You cant obey the law

Thats the point your missing

We need to work to be righteous, and breaking the law is sin, but we cant keep the law so why try to do what you cant do,

As I am sure you know, from chapter 40 through 48, Ezekiel is talking about the "Millennium". As that is future to us and this verse made me think, hum,
Ezekiel 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
Ezekiel 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment and they shall judge it according to my judgments and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

I obey through the spirit. I obey through the law. I can follow the law, just not perfectly, but all that "I can't do", I receive forgiveness for and hopefully I never do it again and when I don't do it again I am that much more like Christ. As Jesus walked like God told him to, I try to walk like it is written for me. I don't understand why you have such, a law or line in the sand or ???, instilled in you that you see it as impossible to walk in love and obey in love at the same time.
I believe the disciples were called disciples because they were disciplined. That takes work and effort on my part. I already received the gift of salvation but when I stand before God, it isn't just going to be about "what He gave me". I myself, don't quit trying because "I can't do it perfect". If I did, I would do nothing at all.
I keep trying so that I may get as close to it as I can. It is what I want, possibly need to do. Not something I have to do. And, when I get to God I want to be better than I was when I took that first step. I know you do not understand, because you do it all through love, but I need my mind in "the game". I like knowing the rules and regulations.

I believe His "sayings" include commands, not just love. These are His words, Gods words. I can't separate the law from the love. I have to obey. My Dad and Mom gave me laws, thank God. I learned a ton and kept out of a lot of trouble because they enforced them. I don't think, My Father which art in heaven, who loves me enough to lay down His life for me, is that much different when it comes to rules. He was pretty strict with His Chosen people the first time. I don't think he threw up his hands and said, let'em just love me however, that is all they need to teach each other. I think you keep missing the part where it isn't just about us, but about where do we take it and how do we do that.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

We may be under a New Covenant, but I take clues from verses like this as to "What" God is about
Jeremiah 11:3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant
And I think to myself, man, they didn't even have the gift of the Comforter to help them along and I do. They also had a much more "physical" law too. The love part is easy for me. And I think I can safely say, the law part is/has become the same. But it didn't start out that way. Is that all of the "spirit" ? I don't know. But I see progress, I feel progress. I obey gladly, cheerfully.

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
For me this says that I am not to let sin reign. If it was the spirit it would read "And the spirit will not let sin reign"
Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
For me this says "do what is right". If it was only about the love it would say "the spirit will keep your members from unrighteousness"
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
For me this says I am not under the law of Moses that provided no forgiveness, but under the grace of God it does.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Don't transgress the law, that is sin. I say I better know the law, and teach the law.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Obey God or not, your choice. To obey Him I must know what it is I am to obey. That is His law. Not the law of Moses, to be clear.
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you
And that form is the written word which contains the commands to love God, love my neighbor, and obey commands, so that I don't sin, at least in those ways.

So I am not missing the point you are trying to make. I just have a different take.

 

[SimpleGardner]

What are you talking about, someone else spkoe on me and I replied then you say this. OK sure. Just throw everyone into a group you can slander and it all good. Honestly what I think it is causing this is becaus Jesus words are not as welcome as many act like they are.

DO you believe this from Jesus?

John 5:28-29, " 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

Greetings FTS,

"Believing" is demonstrated in obedience to that which is to be believed. In other words, if anyone believes the command to do good they will demonstrate their faith in those commands by doing them. Anyone who both knows His commands and keeps them is the "believer". Anyone who opposes His commands has no faith or believes in those commands.

Your question is good! Sadly many boast of their "unbelief".

SG

 

[DeighAnn]

Nullify 2673 Katargeo I make idle, make of no effect, annul, abolish, bring to naught, discharge, sever, separate from,

totally without force, done away with, cause to cease and there abolish, make invalid, or inactive, put out of use,


The Greek
Romans 3:31 Law then do we nullify through faith? Never may it be. Instead Law we uphold

 

[Guojing]

That is a strawman argument. I never said to sacrifice animals:



I said Jesus was the true sacrifice that the sacrificial law was made for. Was it not?

Is it that hard for you to understand what Marcelo is trying to point out to you?

He is certainly not saying you said "to sacrifice animals".

 

[NayborBear]

I don't know much about that "doctrine" yet, so I don't understand that last statement. Is there somewhere I can go to find its in its entirety that you know of?

1 Samuel 15
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Jeremiah 2
8 The priests said not, Where is the Lord? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.
9 Wherefore I will yet plead with you, saith the Lord, and with your children's children will I plead.
11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord God of hosts.
25 Withhold thy foot from being unshod, and thy throat from thirst: but thou saidst, There is no hope: no; for I have loved strangers, and after them will I go.
26 As the thief is ashamed when he is found, so is the house of Israel ashamed; they, their kings, their princes, and their priests, and their prophets.
27 Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.
28 But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for according to the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah.
30 In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction: your own sword hath devoured your prophets, like a destroying lion.
33 Why trimmest thou thy way to seek love? therefore hast thou also taught the wicked ones thy ways.
34 Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.
35 Yet thou sayest, Because I am innocent, surely his anger shall turn from me. Behold, I will plead with thee, because thou sayest, I have not sinned.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I cant carry it for you, christ can, he did,

This is a clear admission that you cannot follow any law even the law of Christ. Is it because(according to you)God created us so He can serve us? If you can't carry another's burden then it means that you don't really have love and if you can't follow the law of Christ, what does it make you?

Can you ask him to carry that burden, because you cant either

Jesus did not say "don't carry each other's burden because you can't." What He said thru Paul is to carry each other's burden and thereby or you will, fulfil the law of Christ.

Lets carry the burden of serving and loving others, not doing something which is impossible,

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:16-26

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

Here we go, another one who refuses to acknowledge what people say and twists their words into something that does not even resemble what they said or thought, you all should be ashamed!

The law requires perfection

I can not carry that lad, if i could jesus could hav stayed in heaven, and made us all earn salvation, because we could

You want me to carry your burden of serving and loving others when your weak, when you are tore down by the burden of life, of struggling with a particular sin issue, while (insert whatever problem you are having). I will be there

But to ask me to do the impossible?

And get off your lie about me not wanting to be obedient, i am sick of you self righteous people attacking others who want to grow in grace and truth and really know how to be obedient, because you want to think you follow the law

 

[Melach]

only way to be justified by the law is to keep it 100% and because we cant and wont ever do it only Jesus did thats why nobody is justified by the works of law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As I am sure you know, from chapter 40 through 48, Ezekiel is talking about the "Millennium". As that is future to us and this verse made me think, hum,
Ezekiel 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
Ezekiel 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment and they shall judge it according to my judgments and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

I obey through the spirit. I obey through the law. I can follow the law, just not perfectly, but all that "I can't do", I receive forgiveness for and hopefully I never do it again and when I don't do it again I am that much more like Christ. As Jesus walked like God told him to, I try to walk like it is written for me. I don't understand why you have such, a law or line in the sand or ???, instilled in you that you see it as impossible to walk in love and obey in love at the same time.
I believe the disciples were called disciples because they were disciplined. That takes work and effort on my part. I already received the gift of salvation but when I stand before God, it isn't just going to be about "what He gave me". I myself, don't quit trying because "I can't do it perfect". If I did, I would do nothing at all.
I keep trying so that I may get as close to it as I can. It is what I want, possibly need to do. Not something I have to do. And, when I get to God I want to be better than I was when I took that first step. I know you do not understand, because you do it all through love, but I need my mind in "the game". I like knowing the rules and regulations.

I believe His "sayings" include commands, not just love. These are His words, Gods words. I can't separate the law from the love. I have to obey. My Dad and Mom gave me laws, thank God. I learned a ton and kept out of a lot of trouble because they enforced them. I don't think, My Father which art in heaven, who loves me enough to lay down His life for me, is that much different when it comes to rules. He was pretty strict with His Chosen people the first time. I don't think he threw up his hands and said, let'em just love me however, that is all they need to teach each other. I think you keep missing the part where it isn't just about us, but about where do we take it and how do we do that.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

We may be under a New Covenant, but I take clues from verses like this as to "What" God is about
Jeremiah 11:3 And say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant
And I think to myself, man, they didn't even have the gift of the Comforter to help them along and I do. They also had a much more "physical" law too. The love part is easy for me. And I think I can safely say, the law part is/has become the same. But it didn't start out that way. Is that all of the "spirit" ? I don't know. But I see progress, I feel progress. I obey gladly, cheerfully.

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
For me this says that I am not to let sin reign. If it was the spirit it would read "And the spirit will not let sin reign"
Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
For me this says "do what is right". If it was only about the love it would say "the spirit will keep your members from unrighteousness"
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
For me this says I am not under the law of Moses that provided no forgiveness, but under the grace of God it does.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Don't transgress the law, that is sin. I say I better know the law, and teach the law.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Obey God or not, your choice. To obey Him I must know what it is I am to obey. That is His law. Not the law of Moses, to be clear.
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you
And that form is the written word which contains the commands to love God, love my neighbor, and obey commands, so that I don't sin, at least in those ways.

So I am not missing the point you are trying to make. I just have a different take.

So you think you can keep this command, this requirement?

Moses -

Deuteronomy 27:26
Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

 

[gb9]

So you think you can keep this command, this requirement?

Moses -

Deuteronomy 27:26
Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

notice- Law. singular.

the Law is one Covenant. not divided , as the judeaizers say...