Not By Works

[UnderGrace]

Why are you trying so hard to remember that I have been talking about the works of God, WHEN that’s ALL I’ve been talking about?

Being disingenuous is BAD FRUIT.

Is humor bad fruit too?

 

[Macabeus]

Sounds like you don't agree with Ephesians 2:8-9 if you have to put that caveat in there.

Or are you just saying that you have superior knowledge of Ephesians 2:8-9 because you believe the scriptures before and after?

You don't think anyone else believes the same scripture as you do?


The important thing here is the shutout. Let's not lose sight of that.

@UnderGrace

Yes grandpa was referring to mem

And no I don’t have superior knowledge. I just interpret the Bible contextually @ grandpa.

 

[Macabeus]

Is humor bad fruit too?

Your kind? Yes. Because you acted disingenuous

Grandpas kind? Yes. Because he made a lot of things up no one said

When I use humor it’s to attack people’s arguments. Not personal attacks. You can’t attack my argument so you attack me personally. Proves that you and your friends have no argument

You haven’t even TOUCHED anything I said. Just strawmen and ad hominems. You guys are REALLY bad at Bible discussion.

 

[Macabeus]

Get ready to give that account, Norman.

You better get ready too, because you said several things that were contemptible, base, and thoroughly unchristlike. I attack people’s arguments. You attack people’s person. Because you have no argument.

 

[Macabeus]

Good grief, Charlie Brown. Grandpa was being facetious.. View attachment 204560

Why make a bunch of nonsense no one said. Ummm... perhaps nothing else to say?

 

[Macabeus]

I know....I laughed out loud when I read it..........ALL is conclusive of ALL.........maybe we can get the search, cut and paste KING to prove that assertion......that ALL point to God's works.........

I can’t copy and paste in my phone. But I will demonstrate my point.

Watch for it

 

[Macabeus]

"Macabeus, post: 4035633, member: 279100"]He said faith plus nothing.

Believe is something we do.

Calling, Drawing, Regenerating, adopting, sanctifying, preserving, and glorifying are all things that God does.

That's a lot more than NOTHING

Anyways, he keeps telling me that justification is granted to the one who doesnt work but believes, and he already knows that I know that too. So what is good for Mac is good for DC

 

[Macabeus]

Grace is unmerited favor

God sending His son to die for us...unmerited favor

God exerting holy influence to bring us to Christ... unmerited favor

God giving us the gift of faith...unmerited favor

God regenerating us...unmerited favor

God justifying us...unmerited favor

God adopting us, God keeping us, God using us in His Kingdom work, God eventually completing the work in glorification

The fact that we’re still breathing

ALL UNMERITED FAVOR.

 

[Macabeus]

Macabeus, post: 4036621, member: 279100"]For those who gave a partial definition of grace, Bill posted an accurate definition of grace in the post above where it says that grace involves God exerting a Holy influence on man in turning them to Christ, keeping them, etc

That is a really good definition of Grace, and one that fits my position like a glove.

 

[dcontroversal]

You better get ready. I’m ready.

I don’t go around showing my depravity by accusing strangers of being sexually frustrated. Were you projecting? Probably

Another prime example that you like to cause contention right here in this post......you are really starting to be a drag on the truth of this thread by your constant divisive ways of going back months and months to pull up the past to make yourself look good and justify your bad behavior.....

 

[Macabeus]

Macabeus, post: 4036613, member: 279100"]Yep. Gods grace, by which he exerts His Holy influence to turn us to Christ is what saves us.

No doubt about it

 

[Macabeus]

"Macabeus, post: 4036612, member: 279100"]Everyone read the paragraph that begins with “good Will , loving kindness...God exerting His Holy influence on a soul, turning them to Christ, keeping them, etc

That is a proper definition of faith. The definition that can be applied to what I mean by grace in my posts

Kudos Bill

 

[Macabeus]

Another prime example that you like to cause contention right here in this post......you are really starting to be a drag on the truth of this thread by your constant divisive ways of going back months and months to pull up the past to make yourself look good and justify your bad behavior.....

Lightskin showed his character by saying that weeks ago, not months ago

 

[Macabeus]

Macabeus, post: 4036606, member: 279100"]You posted my position when you typed the paragraph that says grace is when God exerts His Holy influence, turning people to Christ, etc.

Complete agreement with what I said[

 

[Macabeus]

Macabeus, post: 4036450, member: 279100"]So did you read the passages and see that regeneration is not the same as being renewed in mind

Regeneration happens once, at salvation. Titus 3:5

Mind renewal is commanded th people who are already saved (Romans 12:1-2$

 

[Macabeus]

Macabeus, post: 4036447, member: 279100"]Eternal life is spiritual in nature

If you do not have eternal life, you are dead spiritually

Eternal life begins at spiritual resurrection

 

[Macabeus]

Macabeus, post: 4036239, member: 279100"]That’s not Calvinism, that’s Bible. The Bible says that when you hear the word and believe, it is due to an operation of Gods grace. Now, that grace can be resisted, so yes you can choose to believe or reject Gods grace. But if you choose to believe, it is because God brought you to that point

I do not believe in irresistible grace, and certain other Calvinist things, so I am not a calvinist

 

[Macabeus]

Macabeus, post: 4036227, member: 279100"]You don’t think it was God’s power, not your faith that raised you to spiritual life?

Seriously because if you think your faith is what saves you or keeps you, you are on a very poor foundation

Because we are kept the same way we are saved. By the power of God through faith

Not by faith, by the power through faith

 

[Macabeus]

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We don't offer grace to OURSELVES so "and that not of YOURSELVES" is talking about FAITH. FAITH is a GIFT of God.

Mac the bible is written to promote every heresy there ever has been. That's why I PUSH the KJV, because EVERY SINGLE WORD MATTERS.

Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

You're looking for WORKS and the bible KNOWS THAT and it is DECIEVEING you so that you can HAVE exactly what YOU are looking for.

Bible translators are just like YOU, they come to the word with PRECONCEIVED IDEAS and the word of God KNOWS THAT and DECIEVES them.

The only way around that deception is for GOD to INSPIRE the TRANSLATION.

What percentage of your faith supplied the power and Divine energy towards regeneration? And what percentage was God’s power?

 

[Melach]

Your kind? Yes. Because you acted disingenuous

Grandpas kind? Yes. Because he made a lot of things up no one said

When I use humor it’s to attack people’s arguments. Not personal attacks. You can’t attack my argument so you attack me personally. Proves that you and your friends have no argument

You haven’t even TOUCHED anything I said. Just strawmen and ad hominems. You guys are REALLY bad at Bible discussion.

what if we try to start over. what in particular are you saying no one has touched. i want to see what i say to it. i find it hard to follow which one we are talking about this time