If Perchance Catholicism Is Mistaken
- Thread starter Webers.Home
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Its the same authority every born again believer has . . .not of their own selves .Believers did not lord it over each other faith. That is a catholic tradition that makes the word of God without effect.
The faith to believe God does not come from us. We are not to seek the approval of men intended for God. (2 timothy 2:15
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
The faith to believe God does not come from us. We are not to seek the approval of men intended for God. (2 timothy 2:15
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
The faith of God needed to believe God not seen is of Christ alone .We are commanded not to hold the faith of God in respect to men seen.
He witnesses to our Spirit that he is the author and finisher of our new born again faith .Not of ourselves.
Romans 8:16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Catholicism serve the witness of men another witness other than the Spirit itself .
Have you been born again?
He witnesses to our Spirit that he is the author and finisher of our new born again faith .Not of ourselves.
Romans 8:16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Catholicism serve the witness of men another witness other than the Spirit itself .
Have you been born again?
I don't think you offended anyone, not me anyhow. Its just people get all hot under the collar about interpretations of Scripture and the Gospel or even doublespeak as much as they do the Law (that's a real food fight too). But it is no more than that. I think everyone at some time just has their pointy hats on and like to play Triangle Toss.
Great, great information!!
The Catholic Church kept the Word from the people. Is the Catholic Church the beast who killed the two witnesses for 3.5 days???
Peter tells us "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousnad years as one day"
3.5 days is as 3.5 years which is as 1260 days which is as 1260 years.
I attached a picture which shows that an explosion of the printed word, occurred really somewhere in the 16th century (period 1500-1600AD).
What is interesting is that the word of God (Bible) was assembled sometime in the 4th century (300-400AD) during the time when the catholic church came to power. And they were able to keep the word from the people until ~16th century. (1500-1600) So you are looking at about 1100-1300 years where the Word was kept from the people. If the Word is cut off, then I would speculate that the Holy Spirit is cut off, and the Believers (Church) would also be cut off from witnessing about the Word (Jesus).
Big Question: Is the Holy Spirit, and the Believer( Church) the two witnesses in Rev 11?
John 15: 26-27 tells us that the Helper (Holy Spirit) and you the Believer (Church) are the two witnesses to the Word (Jesus) being truth.
The Catholic Church kept the Word from the people. Is the Catholic Church the beast who killed the two witnesses for 3.5 days???
Peter tells us "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousnad years as one day"
3.5 days is as 3.5 years which is as 1260 days which is as 1260 years.
I attached a picture which shows that an explosion of the printed word, occurred really somewhere in the 16th century (period 1500-1600AD).
What is interesting is that the word of God (Bible) was assembled sometime in the 4th century (300-400AD) during the time when the catholic church came to power. And they were able to keep the word from the people until ~16th century. (1500-1600) So you are looking at about 1100-1300 years where the Word was kept from the people. If the Word is cut off, then I would speculate that the Holy Spirit is cut off, and the Believers (Church) would also be cut off from witnessing about the Word (Jesus).
Big Question: Is the Holy Spirit, and the Believer( Church) the two witnesses in Rev 11?
John 15: 26-27 tells us that the Helper (Holy Spirit) and you the Believer (Church) are the two witnesses to the Word (Jesus) being truth.
Attachments
Well how you doing Nebuchadnezzer! Easy name to remember (lived like a Beast!)
Thanks for the comments and glad you found it informative. I think the story of Wycliffe is fascinating. I wasn't writing it to bash the Catholic Church by the way - it is written all over the English History pages and you can't really separate the circumstances or story of Wycliffe and what he suffered to make the Scripture known to all people and how it came into being that the Bible was translated into English without mentioning that gruesome time in history. (Just saying)
The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:1-14
Well for sure I have never considered that theory of yours before. I will research it though now you mention it and thanks for that. Very interesting!
So far, I have always thought that the Two Witnesses were Moses and Elijah (Elias).
The Two Witnesses are known as Candlesticks/ Olive Trees. Also known as the Anointed Ones who are also mentioned back in Zechariah 4:11.
"Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?"
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
Elijah and Moses stood by the Lord in the Transfiguration. Also the Two Witnesses are described as also having the "power to shut up Heaven" (the only one in the Bible that has been able to do that is Elijah during the days of Ahab) and have” the power to turn water into blood and bring plagues” (Moses was the only one in the Bible able to do that).
There is also a correspondence to the time that Jesus met Moses and Elijah (after six days / six thousand years) on the Mount in the Transfiguration. This would correspond to during the Tribulation period when the 2 witnesses are expected.
In the Book of James it says that Elijah (Elias) shut up the Heavens for three and a half years. During the times of Ahab it doesn't say how long but it does in James 5.17.
"Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months" James 5:17
Thanks for the comments and glad you found it informative. I think the story of Wycliffe is fascinating. I wasn't writing it to bash the Catholic Church by the way - it is written all over the English History pages and you can't really separate the circumstances or story of Wycliffe and what he suffered to make the Scripture known to all people and how it came into being that the Bible was translated into English without mentioning that gruesome time in history. (Just saying)
The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11:1-14
Well for sure I have never considered that theory of yours before. I will research it though now you mention it and thanks for that. Very interesting!
So far, I have always thought that the Two Witnesses were Moses and Elijah (Elias).
The Two Witnesses are known as Candlesticks/ Olive Trees. Also known as the Anointed Ones who are also mentioned back in Zechariah 4:11.
"Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?"
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
Elijah and Moses stood by the Lord in the Transfiguration. Also the Two Witnesses are described as also having the "power to shut up Heaven" (the only one in the Bible that has been able to do that is Elijah during the days of Ahab) and have” the power to turn water into blood and bring plagues” (Moses was the only one in the Bible able to do that).
There is also a correspondence to the time that Jesus met Moses and Elijah (after six days / six thousand years) on the Mount in the Transfiguration. This would correspond to during the Tribulation period when the 2 witnesses are expected.
In the Book of James it says that Elijah (Elias) shut up the Heavens for three and a half years. During the times of Ahab it doesn't say how long but it does in James 5.17.
"Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months" James 5:17
Bible translations may appear to be a harmless activity. History shows it is anything but. Especially in England. I do not just love English old Bibles because I am English either.
Most know the story of Tyndale, or the King James Bible (or not) but many do not know of the Beloved English Wycliffe in England and why his are the first Bible translations that are not in Middle English, unless you like wading through Middle English (or Latin). If you do, good luck with that.
The authority of the Catholic Church was supreme. The Holy Scriptures were only available in Latin in the form of the Vulgate, only in the form of hand-written manuscripts, and only to those (like Wycliffe) who had the privilege of an education at a university such as Oxford, and who were able to understand Latin.
The Bible was first translated into English in 1382 by John Wycliffe, who worked from this Latin Vulgate. Wycliffe's Bible was immediately outlawed by the Catholic church, and anyone caught reading or reciting biblical passages in English faced imprisonment and even death for heresy.
Because the printing press was not made in England until 1439, all Bibles until that time were made by hand. Although there was success in getting copies widespread, nowhere near as much as in 1439, when the mechanical printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg.
John Wycliffe (c1330–1384) was 14th-century England’s outstanding thinker. A theologian by profession, he was called in to advise parliament in its negotiations with Rome. This was a world in which the church was all-powerful, and the more contact Wycliffe had with Rome, the more indignant he became. The papacy, he believed, reeked of corruption and self-interest. He was determined to do something about it.
When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments, they were written in stone in a language that the entire nation of Israel could read.
David composed his poems of praise and petition, promises and pleadings, in the everyday language of his people.
Solomon penned his proverbs of wise fatherly counsel, and his songs of passionate love, in Hebrew, the language of many of his sons, and at least some of his lovers.
When Jesus walked the earth, by the sea or on a hilltop, in the Temple or at the well, to individuals and to multitudes alike, he spoke to people in Aramaic and Hebrew words which they all could understand.
Paul's letters were written in Greek, the everyday language of those to whom they were sent. The same was true of the Gospels and other New Testament writings.
But in England 2300 years after David and Solomon, and 1300 years after Jesus and Paul, the Bible was written almost exclusively in Latin, an unknown language to 99 percent of that society. Indeed, Latin was only understood by some of the clergy, some of the well-off, and the few who were university educated. This did not trouble the church princes, who long before had transformed the "Divine Commission"—to preach the Word and to save souls—into the more temporal undertaking of the all-consuming drive to wield authority over every aspect of life, and in the process, to accumulate ever-greater wealth.
John Wycliffe, an Oxford University professor and theologian, was one of those few who had read the Latin Bible. Though a scholar living a life of privilege, he nevertheless felt a strong empathy for the poor and the uneducated, those multitudes in feudal servitude whose lives were "nasty, brutish, and short". He challenged the princes of the church to face their hypocrisy and widespread corruption—and to repent. He railed that the church was no longer worthy to be the keeper of the Word of Truth. And he proposed a truly revolutionary idea:
"The Scriptures," Wycliffe stated, "are the property of the people, and one which no party should be allowed to wrest from them. Christ and his apostles converted the people by uncovering of Scripture, and this in the tongue which was most known to them. Why then cannot the modern disciples of Christ gather up the fragments of the same bread? The faith of Christ ought therefore to be recounted to the people in both languages, Latin and English."
John Wycliffe earnestly believed that all of the Scriptures should be available to all of the people all of the time in their native tongue. And so Wycliffe and his followers, most notably John Purvey, his secretary and close friend, and for a limited time, Nicholas Hereford, translated Jerome's Vulgate, the "Latin Bible," into the first English Bible. (They utilized original language texts as well.) Their literal, respectful translation was hand-printed around 1382. Historians refer to this as the "Early Version" of the Wycliffe Bible.
The church princes, long before having anointed themselves as sole arbitrator (indeed "soul" arbitrator!) between God and man, condemned this monumental achievement as heretical—and worse:
"This pestilent and wretched John Wycliffe, that son of the old serpent, endeavour[ing] by every means to attack the very faith and sacred doctrine of Holy Church, translated from Latin into English the Gospel, [indeed all of the Scriptures,] that Christ gave to the clergy and doctors of the Church. So that by his means it has become vulgar and more open to laymen and women who can read than it usually is to quite learned clergy of good intelligence. And so the pearl of the Gospel, [indeed of the Scriptures in toto,] is scattered abroad and trodden underfoot by swine." (Church Chronicle, 1395)
The church princes decreed that Wycliffe be removed from his professorship at Oxford, and it was done. Two years later, his health broken, he died.
In the decade following Wycliffe's death, his friend John Purvey revised their Bible. The complete text, including Purvey's "Great Prologue," appeared by 1395 (more than 200 years before the King James Bible). But portions of his revision, in particular the Gospels and other books of the New Testament, were in circulation as early as 1388.
Historians refer to this as the "Later Version" of the Wycliffe Bible. This vernacular version retained most of the theological insight and poetry of language found in the earlier, more literal effort. But it was easier to read and understand, and quickly gained a grateful and loyal following. Each copy had to be hand-printed (Gutenberg's printing press would not be invented for more than 50 years), but this did not deter widespread distribution.
For his efforts, the church princes ordered John Purvey arrested and delivered to the dungeon. He would not see freedom again until he recanted for his "sin" of writing the English Bible. His spirit ultimately broken, he eventually did recant. Upon release, he was watched, hounded at every step, the church princes determined that he would tow the party line. His life made a living hell, the co-author of the first English Bible disappeared into obscurity and died unknown.
But the fury of the church princes was unrelenting. Edicts flew. John Wycliffe's bones were dug up and burned. Wycliffe's writings were gathered up and burned. All unauthorized Bibles—that is, all those in the English language—were banned. All confiscated copies were burned. Those who copied out these Bibles were imprisoned. Those who distributed these Bibles were imprisoned. Those who owned an English Bible, or, as has been documented, "traded a cart-load of hay for but a few pages of the Gospel," were imprisoned. And those faithful souls who refused to "repent" the "evil" that they had committed, were burned at the stake, the "noxious" books they had penned, or even had merely owned, hung about their necks to be consumed by the same flames. In all, thousands were imprisoned and many hundreds executed. Merry olde England was engulfed in a reign of terror. All because of an English Bible.
But the spark that John Wycliffe, John Purvey, and their followers had ignited could not, would not, be extinguished. The Word of Truth was copied, again, and again, and again. It was shared, from hand to hand to hand. It was spoken, and read, and heard by the common people in their own language for the first time in over 1000 years. At long last, the Word of Truth had been returned to simple folk who were willing to lose everything to gain all. The Wycliffe Bible laid the groundwork for further translations of the Bible into English, in fact, the King James Version retains much of the same wording as the Wycliffe Bible, and continues its legacy.
Today there are scores of modern translations of the Bible in English, available at the library, in bookstores, and on the Internet. But once, there was just one. Try to imagine the impact upon hearing (or reading) these words for the very first time:
In the beginning God made of nought heaven and earth (In the beginning God made out of nothing the heavens and the earth) …(If there was a big bang noise at this point, he failed to mention it but it most definitely shows “Intelligent Design”.)
A page from John Wycliffe’s translation of the Bible into English, c1400.
A sample from the Book of John. https://www.biblestudytools.com/wyc/john/passage/?q=john+1:1-18
The whole OT and NT Wycliffe.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/wyc/
Most know the story of Tyndale, or the King James Bible (or not) but many do not know of the Beloved English Wycliffe in England and why his are the first Bible translations that are not in Middle English, unless you like wading through Middle English (or Latin). If you do, good luck with that.
The authority of the Catholic Church was supreme. The Holy Scriptures were only available in Latin in the form of the Vulgate, only in the form of hand-written manuscripts, and only to those (like Wycliffe) who had the privilege of an education at a university such as Oxford, and who were able to understand Latin.
The Bible was first translated into English in 1382 by John Wycliffe, who worked from this Latin Vulgate. Wycliffe's Bible was immediately outlawed by the Catholic church, and anyone caught reading or reciting biblical passages in English faced imprisonment and even death for heresy.
Because the printing press was not made in England until 1439, all Bibles until that time were made by hand. Although there was success in getting copies widespread, nowhere near as much as in 1439, when the mechanical printing press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg.
John Wycliffe (c1330–1384) was 14th-century England’s outstanding thinker. A theologian by profession, he was called in to advise parliament in its negotiations with Rome. This was a world in which the church was all-powerful, and the more contact Wycliffe had with Rome, the more indignant he became. The papacy, he believed, reeked of corruption and self-interest. He was determined to do something about it.
When Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments, they were written in stone in a language that the entire nation of Israel could read.
David composed his poems of praise and petition, promises and pleadings, in the everyday language of his people.
Solomon penned his proverbs of wise fatherly counsel, and his songs of passionate love, in Hebrew, the language of many of his sons, and at least some of his lovers.
When Jesus walked the earth, by the sea or on a hilltop, in the Temple or at the well, to individuals and to multitudes alike, he spoke to people in Aramaic and Hebrew words which they all could understand.
Paul's letters were written in Greek, the everyday language of those to whom they were sent. The same was true of the Gospels and other New Testament writings.
But in England 2300 years after David and Solomon, and 1300 years after Jesus and Paul, the Bible was written almost exclusively in Latin, an unknown language to 99 percent of that society. Indeed, Latin was only understood by some of the clergy, some of the well-off, and the few who were university educated. This did not trouble the church princes, who long before had transformed the "Divine Commission"—to preach the Word and to save souls—into the more temporal undertaking of the all-consuming drive to wield authority over every aspect of life, and in the process, to accumulate ever-greater wealth.
John Wycliffe, an Oxford University professor and theologian, was one of those few who had read the Latin Bible. Though a scholar living a life of privilege, he nevertheless felt a strong empathy for the poor and the uneducated, those multitudes in feudal servitude whose lives were "nasty, brutish, and short". He challenged the princes of the church to face their hypocrisy and widespread corruption—and to repent. He railed that the church was no longer worthy to be the keeper of the Word of Truth. And he proposed a truly revolutionary idea:
"The Scriptures," Wycliffe stated, "are the property of the people, and one which no party should be allowed to wrest from them. Christ and his apostles converted the people by uncovering of Scripture, and this in the tongue which was most known to them. Why then cannot the modern disciples of Christ gather up the fragments of the same bread? The faith of Christ ought therefore to be recounted to the people in both languages, Latin and English."
John Wycliffe earnestly believed that all of the Scriptures should be available to all of the people all of the time in their native tongue. And so Wycliffe and his followers, most notably John Purvey, his secretary and close friend, and for a limited time, Nicholas Hereford, translated Jerome's Vulgate, the "Latin Bible," into the first English Bible. (They utilized original language texts as well.) Their literal, respectful translation was hand-printed around 1382. Historians refer to this as the "Early Version" of the Wycliffe Bible.
The church princes, long before having anointed themselves as sole arbitrator (indeed "soul" arbitrator!) between God and man, condemned this monumental achievement as heretical—and worse:
"This pestilent and wretched John Wycliffe, that son of the old serpent, endeavour[ing] by every means to attack the very faith and sacred doctrine of Holy Church, translated from Latin into English the Gospel, [indeed all of the Scriptures,] that Christ gave to the clergy and doctors of the Church. So that by his means it has become vulgar and more open to laymen and women who can read than it usually is to quite learned clergy of good intelligence. And so the pearl of the Gospel, [indeed of the Scriptures in toto,] is scattered abroad and trodden underfoot by swine." (Church Chronicle, 1395)
The church princes decreed that Wycliffe be removed from his professorship at Oxford, and it was done. Two years later, his health broken, he died.
In the decade following Wycliffe's death, his friend John Purvey revised their Bible. The complete text, including Purvey's "Great Prologue," appeared by 1395 (more than 200 years before the King James Bible). But portions of his revision, in particular the Gospels and other books of the New Testament, were in circulation as early as 1388.
Historians refer to this as the "Later Version" of the Wycliffe Bible. This vernacular version retained most of the theological insight and poetry of language found in the earlier, more literal effort. But it was easier to read and understand, and quickly gained a grateful and loyal following. Each copy had to be hand-printed (Gutenberg's printing press would not be invented for more than 50 years), but this did not deter widespread distribution.
For his efforts, the church princes ordered John Purvey arrested and delivered to the dungeon. He would not see freedom again until he recanted for his "sin" of writing the English Bible. His spirit ultimately broken, he eventually did recant. Upon release, he was watched, hounded at every step, the church princes determined that he would tow the party line. His life made a living hell, the co-author of the first English Bible disappeared into obscurity and died unknown.
But the fury of the church princes was unrelenting. Edicts flew. John Wycliffe's bones were dug up and burned. Wycliffe's writings were gathered up and burned. All unauthorized Bibles—that is, all those in the English language—were banned. All confiscated copies were burned. Those who copied out these Bibles were imprisoned. Those who distributed these Bibles were imprisoned. Those who owned an English Bible, or, as has been documented, "traded a cart-load of hay for but a few pages of the Gospel," were imprisoned. And those faithful souls who refused to "repent" the "evil" that they had committed, were burned at the stake, the "noxious" books they had penned, or even had merely owned, hung about their necks to be consumed by the same flames. In all, thousands were imprisoned and many hundreds executed. Merry olde England was engulfed in a reign of terror. All because of an English Bible.
But the spark that John Wycliffe, John Purvey, and their followers had ignited could not, would not, be extinguished. The Word of Truth was copied, again, and again, and again. It was shared, from hand to hand to hand. It was spoken, and read, and heard by the common people in their own language for the first time in over 1000 years. At long last, the Word of Truth had been returned to simple folk who were willing to lose everything to gain all. The Wycliffe Bible laid the groundwork for further translations of the Bible into English, in fact, the King James Version retains much of the same wording as the Wycliffe Bible, and continues its legacy.
Today there are scores of modern translations of the Bible in English, available at the library, in bookstores, and on the Internet. But once, there was just one. Try to imagine the impact upon hearing (or reading) these words for the very first time:
In the beginning God made of nought heaven and earth (In the beginning God made out of nothing the heavens and the earth) …(If there was a big bang noise at this point, he failed to mention it but it most definitely shows “Intelligent Design”.)
A page from John Wycliffe’s translation of the Bible into English, c1400.
A sample from the Book of John. https://www.biblestudytools.com/wyc/john/passage/?q=john+1:1-18
The whole OT and NT Wycliffe.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/wyc/
Just study from history people should know that catholic is not work for Jesus, she have her own agenda, prepare for one world government or antichrist government.
How powerful was she oN the past, to the point that uk under her control.
Now she work behind the Scenes just like the bible say.
The time Will come she come out bluntly and declare herself as a God
I'm not completely sure, but I think the Catholic interpretation is that the body of Christ functions as a single unit. A person doesn't stop being part of the body of Christ because their physical body has died. So just as you ask your Christian brothers and sisters here on Earth to pray with you and for you, so also Catholics ask their Christian brothers and sisters in heaven to pray with them and for them.
Sometimes things that appear simple are not actually simple when one looks closely.
Do not steal seems pretty clear, but like we've been talking about, it will mean different actions for different people.
You drink water? Someone could understand that to mean that you drink only water, and not Coke. Someone else might think you drink both water and Coke.
The verse that talks about bowing down to graven images is in Leviticus, I believe. People have very different interpretations of how to deal with the law of Moses.
my impression from other things you had said on other threads is that you do not keep the laws in Leviticus. Do you?
Do not steal seems pretty clear, but like we've been talking about, it will mean different actions for different people.
You drink water? Someone could understand that to mean that you drink only water, and not Coke. Someone else might think you drink both water and Coke.
The verse that talks about bowing down to graven images is in Leviticus, I believe. People have very different interpretations of how to deal with the law of Moses.
my impression from other things you had said on other threads is that you do not keep the laws in Leviticus. Do you?
It is not inane to ask if God told you personally which Bible he wrote. Some people would say yes.
And Yes, the letter we call 2nd Timothy says that all scripture is inspired by God. But that simply brings us around to the question of whether this or that is scripture. Is the writer saying that the books in the lxx are scripture?
Your life has been changed by passages in the Bible? Amen to that! But to use that as validation that the entire 66 book Canon is scripture is quite a leap, in my opinion.
For example, I don't really find the book of Obadiah very moving.
And some people's lives have been changed by the words to the song
Just as I am.
If one wishes to be fair, and one is applying the criterion that you suggest, that if it is life-changing then it is scripture, then I think one would want to read the documents that other Christians have considered to be scripture at different times, to see if they are life-changing also.
And Yes, the letter we call 2nd Timothy says that all scripture is inspired by God. But that simply brings us around to the question of whether this or that is scripture. Is the writer saying that the books in the lxx are scripture?
Your life has been changed by passages in the Bible? Amen to that! But to use that as validation that the entire 66 book Canon is scripture is quite a leap, in my opinion.
For example, I don't really find the book of Obadiah very moving.
And some people's lives have been changed by the words to the song
Just as I am.
If one wishes to be fair, and one is applying the criterion that you suggest, that if it is life-changing then it is scripture, then I think one would want to read the documents that other Christians have considered to be scripture at different times, to see if they are life-changing also.
Yes, all believers have authority.
But I think Paul is talking about a different kind of authority.
2 Corinthians 13: 10. For this cause I write these things while absent, that I may not deal sharply when present, according to the authority which
the Lord gave
me
for building up, and not for tearing down.
But I think Paul is talking about a different kind of authority.
2 Corinthians 13: 10. For this cause I write these things while absent, that I may not deal sharply when present, according to the authority which
the Lord gave
me
for building up, and not for tearing down.
no.
two witnesses are people who are caught up and two witnesses are in future before second coming. the two witnesses to me clear are moses and elijah because you compare what they do in revelation to what moses and elijah did and its same miracles. this double confirm by disciples seeing the vision on the mountain where Jesus had moses and elijah appear there.
two witnesses are people who are caught up and two witnesses are in future before second coming. the two witnesses to me clear are moses and elijah because you compare what they do in revelation to what moses and elijah did and its same miracles. this double confirm by disciples seeing the vision on the mountain where Jesus had moses and elijah appear there.
Let me repeat my question
If pope in the picture not bow unto the statue, than what is bowing unto statue look like
What is the reason for catholic bowing infront of statue?
You make the simple thing complicated brother. I know you want to defend pope, but why?
Do not steal is do not steal, simple.
If you want to say taxation is stealing than proof It.
Us taxation is stealing that what i heard, jesuit steal 60% of us federal tax. Again It proof how evil catholic is
If pope in the picture not bow unto the statue, than what is bowing unto statue look like
What is the reason for catholic bowing infront of statue?
You make the simple thing complicated brother. I know you want to defend pope, but why?
Do not steal is do not steal, simple.
If you want to say taxation is stealing than proof It.
Us taxation is stealing that what i heard, jesuit steal 60% of us federal tax. Again It proof how evil catholic is
The sentence : We are serounding by great cloud of witnesses.
You interprate as Mary is omnipresent like God ? Where It say oN the verse Mary omnipresent?
Where the verse say great cloud of witnesses is Mary?
In contrast pope bowing Down infront of statue you interprate, pope not bow unto statue?
What wrong with you brother?
Simple you make It complicated to make like catholic not satanic.
A
You interprate as Mary is omnipresent like God ? Where It say oN the verse Mary omnipresent?
Where the verse say great cloud of witnesses is Mary?
In contrast pope bowing Down infront of statue you interprate, pope not bow unto statue?
What wrong with you brother?
Simple you make It complicated to make like catholic not satanic.
A
I disagree that it is a simple thing, either the question of bowing down or the question of stealing.
Bowing down to a statue will look like different things for different people.
From what I can tell from the Hebrew, the word that is used in Leviticus 26:1 for bow down also is used to mean worship.
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7812.htm
So, you shall not worship the statue. Now the question is, is the Pope worshipping the statue or what it symbolizes? I think we would have to know what is in the heart of the Pope to know the answer.
Bowing down to a statue will look like different things for different people.
From what I can tell from the Hebrew, the word that is used in Leviticus 26:1 for bow down also is used to mean worship.
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_7812.htm
So, you shall not worship the statue. Now the question is, is the Pope worshipping the statue or what it symbolizes? I think we would have to know what is in the heart of the Pope to know the answer.