Are demons and fallen angels the same thing? Where'd they come from?

[garee]

Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Does those giants sound like saints Garee?

LOL With all due respect .No they look like the NBA which could be saints.

Someone that is 5 foot 8 inches makes me feel like a grasshopper. Even the giants look like grasshoppers to our God.

David was empowered by the Holy Spirit to kill one.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and

Sons of God. . Those led by the Spirit of God. Son of the father of lies led by his lies. Daughters of men, unbelieving mankind.

Lying spirits do not have DNA the verse is speaking of men and daughters of men .They do have it

Lesson. Don't be unevenly yoked protect the seed of Christ. .Don't spill it on the ground as Onan. The promise came as the Son of man Jesus. The next time destroy the whole world.

 

[KJV1611]

LOL With all due respect .No they look like the NBA which could be saints.

Someone that is 5 foot 8 inches makes me feel like a grasshopper. Even the giants look like grasshoppers to our God.

David was empowered by the Holy Spirit to kill one.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and

Sons of God. . Those led by the Spirit of God. Son of the father of lies led by his lies. Daughters of men, unbelieving mankind.

Lying spirits do not have DNA the verse is speaking of men and daughters of men .They do have it

Lesson. Don't be unevenly yoked protect the seed of Christ. .Don't spill it on the ground as Onan. The promise came as the Son of man Jesus. The next time destroy the whole world.

Were the children of Israel that went into the land; Joshua, Caleb and all those 12 men who were the heads of the children of Israel, were they sons of God?

 

[garee]

Were the children of Israel that went into the land; Joshua, Caleb and all those 12 men who were the heads of the children of Israel, were they sons of God?

Yes as many as "led by the Holy Spirit of Christ" . Those seen (dna) be fruitful and multiply and those not seen (no dna) no commandment to multiply not made in the image of God

 

[KJV1611]

Yes as many as "led by the Holy Spirit of Christ" . Those seen (dna) be fruitful and multiply and those not seen (no dna) no commandment to multiply not made in the image of God

So the sons of God (Joshua and Caleb) brought back an evil report of the land of the giants (the sons of God). They said the sons of God (giants) were eating up the inhabitants of the land. And Joshua and Caleb (sons of God) looked like grasshoppers compared to the giants (sons of God).

Is this your understanding of the verses?

 

[Deade]

So the sons of God (Joshua and Caleb) brought back an evil report of the land of the giants (the sons of God). They said the sons of God (giants) were eating up the inhabitants of the land. And Joshua and Caleb (sons of God) looked like grasshoppers compared to the giants (sons of God).

Is this your understanding of the verses?

You have gotten it all mixed up. Joshua and Caleb did not bring the evil report, it was the rest of their fellow spies that said they looked like grasshoppers in the sight of the giants (sons of Anak). Next, leave off all references to "sons of God" and you have the scripture defined. The only place where "sons of God" are ever mentioned is in Genesis and Job. Nobody has yet determined what those references mean.

 

[KJV1611]

You have gotten it all mixed up. Joshua and Caleb did not bring the evil report, it was the rest of their fellow spies that said they looked like grasshoppers in the sight of the giants (sons of Anak). Next, leave off all references to "sons of God" and you have the scripture defined. The only place where "sons of God" are ever mentioned is in Genesis and Job. Nobody has yet determined what those references mean.

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I’m saying that they all saw GIANTS that were devouring the inhabitants of the land. Garee is saying that the giants saw giants.

Giants can’t be sons of God if Joshua and Caleb are sons of God. The giants in the land were wicked.

 

[Deade]

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I’m saying that they all saw GIANTS that were devouring the inhabitants of the land. Garee is saying that the giants saw giants.

Giants can’t be sons of God if Joshua and Caleb are sons of God. The giants in the land were wicked.

Nowhere will you find in the Sinai Covenant people referred to as sons. Salvation wasn't included in the law. So neither the spies nor the giants, of Caanan, were sons of God.

 

[KJV1611]

Nowhere will you find in the Sinai Covenant people referred to as sons. Salvation wasn't included in the law. So neither the spies nor the giants, of Caanan, were sons of God.

Christ was in the church in the wilderness. They were saved by grace through faith just like us.

 

[Nehemiah6]

YET we see in the New testament and in the world around us that DEMONS are active. How can this be if they are in CHAINS?

Because you are confusing two groups of evil spirits. Those chained in Tartarus are the evil angels which sinned before the Flood, and corrupted humanity. They remain confined to this day.

Demons are evil spirits which are free to roam on this earth and take possession of living creatures (humans and animals). Also the Bible calls the false gods represented by idols as "devils" (demons). There are also other evil spirits which are NOT demons, but are simply evil spirit beings influencing world affairs and controlling nations and humans.

As to connecting the Nephilim with demons, that is mostly fantasy. The Nephilim were the offspring of evil spirits and humans, and seen as giants and men of renown (the ancients gods and heroes of the various mythologies).

 

[Ahwatukee]

YO! This is an interesting topic. I got the idea from brother @Macabeus telling me that demons are fallen angels, LETS discuss it:

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

As we can see from them verses, its past tense, God already delivered them (The fallen angels) to CHAINS OF DARKNESS to be reserved for judgment. YET we see in the New testament and in the world around us that DEMONS are active. How can this be if they are in CHAINS?

That leads me (and many others) to believe that the demons are actually spirits of the dead nephilim (giant hybrids) that died in the flood! Of course we got no proof, JUST AN ASSERTION. But it makes sense because how else can demons be active while in chains of darkness? IF ANYONE HAS A GOOD BIBLICAL CASE TO BE MADE, lets hear it!

Good day, Hevosmies,

Your friend is correct in that, fallen angels are indeed demons. They are also referred to as unclean spirits.

Regarding Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4, I believe that those angels referred to are those who took wives and had offspring. It is these that God put into chains of darkness until the day of judgment. Otherwise, how could Satan and his angels be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth as described in Rev.12:7-9 which takes place in the future at the sounding of the 7th trumpet?

Ethiopic Enoch also describes their binding:

"To Michael like wise the Lord said: Go and announce his crime to Samyaza, and to the others (angels) who are with him, who have been associated with women, that they might be polluted with all their impurity. And when all their sons (Nephilim) shall be slain, when they shall see the destruction of their beloved, bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth (Tartarus), even to the day of judgment, the effect of which will last forever, be completed."

You're dealing with two groups of fallen angels here, 200 of which took wives from the progeny of men and had offspring and the other fallen angels who were not involved in that rebellious act. Those angels who took wives and had children is what Jude and Peter are referring to. The rest of Satan's angels have access to both heaven and earth.

 

[jb]

YO! This is an interesting topic. I got the idea from brother @Macabeus telling me that demons are fallen angels, LETS discuss it:

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

As we can see from them verses, its past tense, God already delivered them (The fallen angels) to CHAINS OF DARKNESS to be reserved for judgment. YET we see in the New testament and in the world around us that DEMONS are active. How can this be if they are in CHAINS?

That leads me (and many others) to believe that the demons are actually spirits of the dead nephilim (giant hybrids) that died in the flood! Of course we got no proof, JUST AN ASSERTION. But it makes sense because how else can demons be active while in chains of darkness? IF ANYONE HAS A GOOD BIBLICAL CASE TO BE MADE, lets hear it!

You can find a study on demons Here that you will find helpful...

 

[lightbearer]

The KJV doesn't use the word demon so I'm assuming the equivalent of demons is devils.
I did a search on devil* and the searched returned 117 but only 4 mentions are found in the Old Testament.

Any idea on why there was basically no mention of them in Old Testament?

Yeah KJV equivelant is devils.

Perhaps its mentioned less in the OT because it speaks about "evil spirits" or just mentions falsegods by name like baal and stuff. So obviously the priests of baal were rid with demons(devils,unclean spirits) but it isnt specifically mentioned!

The New Testament mentions it a lot because it was part of Jesus' ministry to CAST out devils from people!

It seems Paul agrees.
1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

 

[Deade]

Christ was in the church in the wilderness. They were saved by grace through faith just like us.

You'll get no argument from me on that. God has always been approachable. But keeping the law just brought physical blessings, not salvation. Why most murmured against God in the wilderness was because they had no faith. Yet they had seen much. A very dangerous predicament to be in.

 

[garee]

So the sons of God (Joshua and Caleb) brought back an evil report of the land of the giants (the sons of God). They said the sons of God (giants) were eating up the inhabitants of the land. And Joshua and Caleb (sons of God) looked like grasshoppers compared to the giants (sons of God).

Is this your understanding of the verses?

A little different. The land of the giants tall men are not considered (the sons of God) .And not everyone was taller than a Jew. They simply were challenged to get over the giant fear. Like David did by faith or Joshua .. There were sons of God that followed the Spirit of Christ and violated the law in respect to preserve the seed of Christ . like with Onan.... seeing no value in the things of faith the unseen.

The seed was reserved through the line of Noah .

Size does not matter. The bigger they are the faster I run..lol