Galatian Conundrums
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A few verses that helped me to understand the faith and obedience go hand in hand were these;
Revelation 12: 17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
Bottom line anyone who is really follow or seeking to follow Jesus will not toss out/ignore His words.
John5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Jesus says He is the only way:
John/ 14:6, "Jesus proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd)."
He clearly states His words while in the flesh and that the holt spirit brings back these words:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
Yet somehow people are following a doctrine that teaches "the way to follow Jesus is to not follow Him" Total nonsense.
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
IF people knew the word
John 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”
THey would know God says Jesus has the words to follow;
John 8:17-18, “In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two people is valid. I am testifying about myself, and the Father who sent me is testifying about me.”
The Father testified here:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, " 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.
and none can testify of themselves.
John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
Revelation 12: 17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
Bottom line anyone who is really follow or seeking to follow Jesus will not toss out/ignore His words.
John5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Jesus says He is the only way:
John/ 14:6, "Jesus proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd)."
He clearly states His words while in the flesh and that the holt spirit brings back these words:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
Yet somehow people are following a doctrine that teaches "the way to follow Jesus is to not follow Him" Total nonsense.
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
IF people knew the word
John 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”
THey would know God says Jesus has the words to follow;
John 8:17-18, “In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two people is valid. I am testifying about myself, and the Father who sent me is testifying about me.”
The Father testified here:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, " 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him.
and none can testify of themselves.
John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
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Deut 13 and Jesus word sare used to authenticate words of a true chosen one of God. This is what authentictes "words of God"
John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
John 5:31-32, “If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is not trustworthy. There is another who testifies about me, and I know that the testimony he gives about me is true.”
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
ok, "Paulinisim" or "Pauliene Christianity" is to me when people either put Paul's words above Jesus words and/or say Jesus words are obselete and Paul speaks in Jesus place. Usually for the reason of saying Jew and Gentile have different doctrines to follow or that the true revelation came after Jesus was ascended.
However this goes against what Jesus said;
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Thos are the words He spoke in the flesh:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
and there is only 1 way, not a different way for Jews and Gentiles;
John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."
However this goes against what Jesus said;
Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
Thos are the words He spoke in the flesh:
John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
and there is only 1 way, not a different way for Jews and Gentiles;
John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."
That is true. Now, the Jews as a nation have totally rejected whatever is written in the NT. They follow only the OT from what I know.
A remnant of them do believe in Jesus Christ as their Messiah, they are deemed as "Messianic Jews". and obviously, they are following the gospel of the grace of God, given to Paul.
A remnant of them do believe in Jesus Christ as their Messiah, they are deemed as "Messianic Jews". and obviously, they are following the gospel of the grace of God, given to Paul.
Absolutely either does not understand or refuse to understand the concept of Progressive Revelation.
That is why he hold on to the ridiculous proposition that since Paul stated that anyone who preached any other gospel other than the gospel of grace is under a double curse, so Jesus and the 12 in the 4 Gospels are therefore under that curse.
The 4 Gospels reveal a truth to the Jews. Paul himself stated clearly Romans 15:8
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Jesus was fulfilling the revelation to the Jews THEN. Their promised King and Messiah is here and the good news for them is to repent from rejecting God in the OT and accept him as the Son of God. And God will live and rule over them with justice and righteousness.
To a Jew living then, that is good news, that is the gospel. That is the Gospel of the Kingdom (GOK)
But since the Jewish nation rejected their Messiah, Jesus raised Paul to deliver good news to the whole world, including Gentiles, that they can now be saved by believing in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for their sins. (2 Corinthians 5:11-21)
That is the only gospel that is valid NOW. No one should be preaching the GOK anymore since the Jewish nation has already rejected that.
But once the body of Christ is raptured, the GOK would resume again for all the Jews, as foretold by Jesus, before his 2nd coming.
Matthew 24:14
That is why he hold on to the ridiculous proposition that since Paul stated that anyone who preached any other gospel other than the gospel of grace is under a double curse, so Jesus and the 12 in the 4 Gospels are therefore under that curse.
The 4 Gospels reveal a truth to the Jews. Paul himself stated clearly Romans 15:8
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Jesus was fulfilling the revelation to the Jews THEN. Their promised King and Messiah is here and the good news for them is to repent from rejecting God in the OT and accept him as the Son of God. And God will live and rule over them with justice and righteousness.
To a Jew living then, that is good news, that is the gospel. That is the Gospel of the Kingdom (GOK)
But since the Jewish nation rejected their Messiah, Jesus raised Paul to deliver good news to the whole world, including Gentiles, that they can now be saved by believing in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for their sins. (2 Corinthians 5:11-21)
That is the only gospel that is valid NOW. No one should be preaching the GOK anymore since the Jewish nation has already rejected that.
But once the body of Christ is raptured, the GOK would resume again for all the Jews, as foretold by Jesus, before his 2nd coming.
Matthew 24:14
You are creating something that simply is not there. (two Shepherd's )
The idea of people putting Paul's words above Jesus words, or say Jesus words are obsolete and Paul speaks in Jesus place. simply do not recognize they are not Paul's words any more than any other prophet in the Bible .
Why puff up Paul above that which is written ? Paul used himself as a example not to.
Its what Catholicism does in order to make the word of God without effect. change the meaning of Apostle.
Paul understood that what he had came from God no room to boast . Just as Moses or any prophets that declare the will of another prophecy .
1 Corinthians 4:5-7 King James Version (KJV)Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us "not to think of men" above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.( Jesus against Paul) For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
The idea of people putting Paul's words above Jesus words, or say Jesus words are obsolete and Paul speaks in Jesus place. simply do not recognize they are not Paul's words any more than any other prophet in the Bible .
Why puff up Paul above that which is written ? Paul used himself as a example not to.
Its what Catholicism does in order to make the word of God without effect. change the meaning of Apostle.
Paul understood that what he had came from God no room to boast . Just as Moses or any prophets that declare the will of another prophecy .
1 Corinthians 4:5-7 King James Version (KJV)Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us "not to think of men" above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.( Jesus against Paul) For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
I have no problem with the Lord Jesus preaching law to people who were/are under the law. I have no problem with Him Mangifying the Law like the prophet Isaiah said He would. The law is what brings people to Him.
I don't understand how you would think that the Kingdom of God wouldn't be for Gentiles if the Lord Jesus Christ is for the Gentiles.
The Jewish nation rejecting the Gospel of the Kingdom is precisely the reason why Gentiles have been included into the Kingdom of God.
Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
I don't understand how you would think that the Kingdom of God wouldn't be for Gentiles if the Lord Jesus Christ is for the Gentiles.
The Jewish nation rejecting the Gospel of the Kingdom is precisely the reason why Gentiles have been included into the Kingdom of God.
Ephesians 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
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The Jews were promised land and a physical kingdom on earth and Jesus as their king ruling in Jerusalem in the ot.
Gentiles were never in the picture of salvation when God called out to Abraham. We were grafted into Israel yes with their rejection of Jesus, but we were never promised those blessings by Paul. Ours is a spiritual kingdom in heaven.
God is not finished with the Jews yet, he will deal with them again later during the tribulation.
Gentiles were never in the picture of salvation when God called out to Abraham. We were grafted into Israel yes with their rejection of Jesus, but we were never promised those blessings by Paul. Ours is a spiritual kingdom in heaven.
God is not finished with the Jews yet, he will deal with them again later during the tribulation.
That is so sad. The resurrection of Jesus marked the beginning of the New Covenant and the destruction of the Temple as foretold by Jesus marked the visible ending of the Old Covenant.
If the Jews went the opposite way, as seems to be the case, then they made the biggest mistake anyone could make.
If the Jews went the opposite way, as seems to be the case, then they made the biggest mistake anyone could make.
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According to what Paul stated in Romans 9-11, God has hardened their hearts/blinded them.
But I think more and more of them now may secretly accept that Jesus is indeed the son of God, they cannot tell others because they would be in trouble with their communities.
But once the Body of Christ is raptured, I believed it will be then they realized that Paul was correct all along. It will be much tougher to be a believer during the Great Tribulation though.
But I think more and more of them now may secretly accept that Jesus is indeed the son of God, they cannot tell others because they would be in trouble with their communities.
But once the Body of Christ is raptured, I believed it will be then they realized that Paul was correct all along. It will be much tougher to be a believer during the Great Tribulation though.