Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[Guojing]

Actually, believe it or not, several people on this thread have told me that they perceive a conflict between what Jesus said and this or that apostle. They felt that in that case, they had to go with the words of Jesus over the words of the apostle.

These are known as "Red letter Christians"

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

John 14:23-26, " 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd"

John 14:6, "Jesus proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

 

[SimpleGardner]

Could someone or anyone please refer me to this information with Chapter and verse.

1. What it something other than the ordinances nailed to the cross?

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
but this does not say " the law" , only the parts that were contrary. It must be somewhere else and I can't find it.


2. Where is it Paul says "the law includes the commandments"?

3. Where does the bible state they are a "unit" not to be divided or separated?

1 Kings 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself.

Is this not separating?

Deuteronomy 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


With the 10 commandments, 2 tablets written by God, were put "into" the ark and the law was put it beside it. Doesn't this show that God Himself separated them from each other? That is a pretty big show in itself as at least those being separated, right?

The biggest ordinance against the Northern Kingdom of Israel tribes known as the "Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" was that they were once "Married/Under Covenant" with God. And, after God divorced them they married/covenanted with other gods/idols.

So why was this "against" them? Because of the following ordinance;

Deu 24:1-4 NIV

(1) If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house,
(2) and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man,
(3) and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies,
(4) then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the LORD. Do not bring sin upon the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.


Because of this ordinance The people/Northern Kingdom of Israel tribes who were once "His people" were no longer His people, nor could they ever be due to the above ordinance "against them" in particular!

BUT, By dying on the cross did Yahshua nail that ordinance to the cross opening the way for Him to marry the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel that He said He came for?

SG

 

[DeighAnn]

Besides the ordinances, was there any other part of the law nailed to the cross and if so where can I find it? If someone knows that the law was not nailed to the cross could you tell me that also.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Besides the ordinances, was there any other part of the law nailed to the cross and if so where can I find it? If someone knows that the law was not nailed to the cross could you tell me that also.

Well according to Jesus none of it is gone:

Matthew 5:17-18, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Revelation 21:1-2, " 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

with that said the only acceptabe sacrifice is the one Jesus offered up and He runs the priesthood now.

Explained in Hebrews.

If anything was "nailed to the cross" it was human traditions

 

[DeighAnn]

I have been told numerous times on this forum that that law is a "unit" not to be separated. That the 10 commandments are a part of that law and not to be separated, and it is only "us" that tries to separate them.

Where does the bible state they are a "unit" not to be divided or separated? I have gone searching for this information, that is being PUT FORTH AS TRUTH and the problem I am having is I keep finding scripture WHERE GOD HAS SEPARATED them. (NOT THAT anyone will tell me why, in a way in which I can understand yet, it is important). Are we trying to get to the truth or to prove our positions?

1 Kings 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself.

Is this not separating, because it is to me.

Deuteronomy 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

10 commandments, 2 tablets written by God, were put "into" the ark and the law was put it beside it or in the side. Doesn't this show that God Himself separated them from each other? That is a pretty big "show" of them being separated, right?


Now unless I could be pointed to some scripture, which I would really appreciate, showing where God told Paul or anyone they are to be counted as "one", I will have to follow the word of God.

 

[wokinluv]

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


1 Timothy 1:5-7
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.


Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

2 Corinthians 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Romans 8:2-4
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.




Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
2 Corinthians 3:10-11
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
1 Corinthians 15:55-56
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

But look at this;
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now go back up to Matthew 11:28 and read again and see if you can grasp what these scriptures are saying...

I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done— Romans 15:18

We're you led to obey God and the Lord Jesus who instructed His disciples to teach all nations to obey whatever He commanded them?

“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” Matthew 19:17-19

The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:9-10

This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. John 3:11

And why do people nullify the law?

the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Romans 8:7

He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:6-13

The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I have been told numerous times on this forum that that law is a "unit" not to be separated. That the 10 commandments are a part of that law and not to be separated, and it is only "us" that tries to separate them.

Where does the bible state they are a "unit" not to be divided or separated? I have gone searching for this information, that is being PUT FORTH AS TRUTH and the problem I am having is I keep finding scripture WHERE GOD HAS SEPARATED them. (NOT THAT anyone will tell me why, in a way in which I can understand yet, it is important). Are we trying to get to the truth or to prove our positions?

1 Kings 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself.

Is this not separating, because it is to me.

Deuteronomy 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

10 commandments, 2 tablets written by God, were put "into" the ark and the law was put it beside it or in the side. Doesn't this show that God Himself separated them from each other? That is a pretty big "show" of them being separated, right?


Now unless I could be pointed to some scripture, which I would really appreciate, showing where God told Paul or anyone they are to be counted as "one", I will have to follow the word of God.

Outright IDK.

These 2 are not of the 10 commandments, yet they are the greatest of the law, and contain the whole law:

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”

James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”

Also as I quoted Jesus said nothing will pas unless heaven and earth do. Matt 5:17-18

also the things listed in verse 15:

Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

not all are against the 10 commands, all still seem valid to me.

 

[DeighAnn]

Well according to Jesus none of it is gone:

Matthew 5:17-18, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Revelation 21:1-2, " 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

with that said the only acceptabe sacrifice is the one Jesus offered up and He runs the priesthood now.

Explained in Hebrews.

If anything was "nailed to the cross" it was human traditions

Yes, it is very true that they MUST remain, but as to whether we are bound or under them has. The old (Moses) was set up as a temporary law till Jesus was come who brought with His blood the new. The NEW gave us what the law could not. Life as opposed to death, while yet sinners, Forgiveness for our sins instead of condemnation, no animal sacrifice and ceremony (a heavy burden not only in duty but as in carrying our sin around and never having the feeling like animal blood did the job) as the Lamb of God ended all that. The priests talking to God for us, Jesus became our High Priest, rent the veil and we now talk to God, etc.

No one jot or tittle has or can be changed because it is our perfect history. The lessons are invaluable. The wisdom and knowledge of who God is and what is "right" and wrong in His eyes can not be ignored and must be studied so we can at the very least appreciated the insane generosity of God to let us live under the Grace that Jesus worked so hard and died to avail to us.

 

[Guojing]

I have been told numerous times on this forum that that law is a "unit" not to be separated. That the 10 commandments are a part of that law and not to be separated, and it is only "us" that tries to separate them.

Where does the bible state they are a "unit" not to be divided or separated? I have gone searching for this information, that is being PUT FORTH AS TRUTH and the problem I am having is I keep finding scripture WHERE GOD HAS SEPARATED them. (NOT THAT anyone will tell me why, in a way in which I can understand yet, it is important). Are we trying to get to the truth or to prove our positions?

1 Kings 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself.

Is this not separating, because it is to me.

Deuteronomy 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

10 commandments, 2 tablets written by God, were put "into" the ark and the law was put it beside it or in the side. Doesn't this show that God Himself separated them from each other? That is a pretty big "show" of them being separated, right?


Now unless I could be pointed to some scripture, which I would really appreciate, showing where God told Paul or anyone they are to be counted as "one", I will have to follow the word of God.

I already replied to your question earlier with romans 7:7.

You must have missed it.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Yes, it is very true that they MUST remain, but as to whether we are bound or under them has. The old (Moses) was set up as a temporary law till Jesus was come who brought with His blood the new. The NEW gave us what the law could not. Life as opposed to death, while yet sinners, Forgiveness for our sins instead of condemnation, no animal sacrifice and ceremony (a heavy burden not only in duty but as in carrying our sin around and never having the feeling like animal blood did the job) as the Lamb of God ended all that. The priests talking to God for us, Jesus became our High Priest, rent the veil and we now talk to God, etc.

No one jot or tittle has or can be changed because it is our perfect history. The lessons are invaluable. The wisdom and knowledge of who God is and what is "right" and wrong in His eyes can not be ignored and must be studied so we can at the very least appreciated the insane generosity of God to let us live under the Grace that Jesus worked so hard and died to avail to us.

Book of Hebrews read in the greek language text clears all this up. The engliish does not properly show what the greek says. Atleast I have never seen a traslation that does.

 

[posthuman]

Did you think you would silence me with name calling, false accusation and game playing? I`m thinking I`ll be here as long as the moderators choose to let me share my opinion about the gospel or until my knee gets well.

i meant Peter, not you.

i was told in another thread that Peter preaches a different gospel?

 

[Guojing]

Did you think you would silence me with name calling, false accusation and game playing? I`m thinking I`ll be here as long as the moderators choose to let me share my opinion about the gospel or until my knee gets well.

He does not understand the difference between past tense and present tense.

 

[DeighAnn]

Outright IDK.

These 2 are not of the 10 commandments, yet they are the greatest of the law, and contain the whole law:

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”

James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”

Also as I quoted Jesus said nothing will pas unless heaven and earth do. Matt 5:17-18

also the things listed in verse 15:

Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

not all are against the 10 commands, all still seem valid to me.

Yes, they are all valid to me and further more, they are as easy as breathing to follow. But here is a weird thing, there are "Christians" who find offence at that and upon hearing those words basically say "you need to be saved". Like a person having the spirit would go blind and deaf to the laws of God. Follow with love, leave your mind out of it though. I don't get it.

 

[DeighAnn]

Book of Hebrews read in the greek language text clears all this up. The engliish does not properly show what the greek says. Atleast I have never seen a traslation that does.

I would have to say I have put to use my interlinears in all the books, for years now. Which part do you find I am confused on?

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I would have to say I have put to use my interlinears in all the books, for years now. Which part do you find I am confused on?

Thumbs up to the interlinears!

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Yes, they are all valid to me and further more, they are as easy as breathing to follow. But here is a weird thing, there are "Christians" who find offence at that and upon hearing those words basically say "you need to be saved". Like a person having the spirit would go blind and deaf to the laws of God. Follow with love, leave your mind out of it though. I don't get it.

Well I think we are in agreement, I think those led by His spirit will love and think on the law: heart and mind;

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I would have to say I have put to use my interlinears in all the books, for years now. Which part do you find I am confused on?

Hebrews 7 and the word change:

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed G3331, there is made of necessity a change G3346 also of the law.”

“For the priesthood being changed G3331, there is made of necessity a change G3346 also of the law.”

one G3331 is a abolishment of one and establishment of another (priesthood)

the other G3346 is a transfer (the law)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Once I said something like that, but with quotation marks.

So should we or not?

 

[Marcelo]

So should we or not?

Keep the Law? Of course not! Not even Law keepers keep the Law, so why should we?