Abomination of Desolation

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garee

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Ahwatukee said:
That's what I thought, because I didn't see who you were responding to, so I thought that it might be someone that I have on ignore and garee is one of them.

Regarding what garee said "I think the mark is something we are born with," the scripture states that "he" the false prophet will cause all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive a mark on the right hand or forehead. Therefore, there would be no need to receive it, if in fact we were born with it.
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Its received the moment one is born, as soon as they are born they go forth telling lies. Its what dead people do.. The number of natural unconverted mankind as a beast of the field . The seal of God removed it. Right hand or has to do with will and not literal forehead like the Catholic with their ashes . Look at me I have a sign gift to confirm something. Sign are for those who rebel . . prophecy for those who believe.

.Not a literal mark that. The literalist uses their imagination to set up their own false sign as a wonder . Its an evil generation of Adam natural man 666 that walks by sight that needs a literal sign. No literal sign as a source of faith.

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet

The buying and selling has to do with spiritual matters not foods necessary for these bodies of death .

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

To kill or pronounce dead as in dying which literal mark 2 kinds of marks

Ezekiel 9:3-6 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) Then the Glory of the God of Israel rose from above the Cherub angels where he had been. Then the Glory went to the door of the Temple and stopped when he was over the threshold. Then he called to the man wearing the linen clothes and the scribe’s pen and ink set. Then the Lord said to him, “Go through the city of Jerusalem. Put a mark on the forehead of everyone who feels sad and upset about all the terrible things people are doing in this city.” Then I heard God say to the other men, “I want you to follow the first man. You must kill all those who do not have the mark on their foreheads.

Its not a contest to see which literal mark makes it first. Face to face in the knowledge of God

Ezekiel 3:8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.

Again its the mark of the word, the mark to Cain .It will come to pass .
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Garee believes in *imaginative interpretation* which can lead to flights of fancy.
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LOL. . . And your *imaginative interpretation* can lead to what? A sign and wonder gospel fueled by superstition .
 
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garee said:
LOL. . . And your *imaginative interpretation* can lead to what? A sign and wonder gospel fueled by superstition .
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Was this comment meant for Benny Hinn and got sent my way by mistake?:D
 
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Jesus is the abomination (unclean thing or idol) which is placed in a holy place rendering it desolate (unclean).
The name was Iesus when it began and was sold in as the son of god. Yahoosha is hes name and he is the uncorrectable image of the invisible one.

Colossians 1:14-15
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God
 
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cc4 said:
Jesus is the abomination (unclean thing or idol) which is placed in a holy place rendering it desolate (unclean).
The name was Iesus when it began and was sold in as the son of god. Yahoosha is hes name and he is the uncorrectable image of the invisible one.

Colossians 1:14-15
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God
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Revelation 7:9
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,


What name did those in Rev 7:9 trust,believe, pray, and call on to be saved?
God knows when you are seeking Him.
 
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cc4 said:
Jesus is the abomination (unclean thing or idol) which is placed in a holy place rendering it desolate (unclean).
The name was Iesus when it began and was sold in as the son of god. Yahoosha is hes name and he is the uncorrectable image of the invisible one.

Colossians 1:14-15
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God
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Image is likeness Not as mirror image as if God was a man seen

He would be if someone who put him there in the place of the father as God not seen . But as a man he would never stand in the unseen place of the glory of God. God is not a man as us a creature and neither is there any fleshly mediator set between God and man .

The father receives the glory as the loving authority, the Son submits to form the government of God .Two working as one to bring the peace of God that surpasses all understanding

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
 
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garee said:
Image is likeness Not as mirror image as if God was a man seen

He would be if someone who put him there in the place of the father as God not seen . But as a man he would never stand in the unseen place of the glory of God. God is not a man as us a creature and neither is there any fleshly mediator set between God and man .

The father receives the glory as the loving authority, the Son submits to form the government of God .Two working as one to bring the peace of God that surpasses all understanding

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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It's the "image" of the beast that was, was not yet is not the image of a man or God,,,the image of one of the beast(one that received the deadly wound) "even he is the eight and of the seven" (A kingdom)...
 
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iamsoandso said:
It's the "image" of the beast that was, was not yet is not the image of a man or God,,,the image of one of the beast(one that received the deadly wound) "even he is the eight and of the seven" (A kingdom)...
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Hi thanks for the reply

I would offer.. No literal signs are given. We walk by faith the unseen eternal.

Sorry in advance for the rambling.

Its an evil generation as in the generation of Adam natural unconverted man that does seek to understand by the things seen the temporal. as a forward nation they no faith that comes from hearing God that does seek after one.

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

I am no scholar or teacher, but we must be careful how we hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches (us)

Mark 13:22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Signs seem to be used in two ways .One "sign of the times" in general the description in Mathew 24 . And two a sign and or accompnied with wonders or wonderments marveling as a source of faith a living hope proved by what the eyes see. Not a sign alone.

Like Jesus relied ; marvel wonder not believe. The warning is just the oppossite..

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. . . . . .(no faith)

Luke 11:29And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet

The last sign as a wonder or wonderment was fullfilled. Un like .Like the faithless Jew used to represent the whole of mankind .They said show us a miracle and then we will belive.

The mark just as the buying and selling has to do with the gospel truth spiritual unseen matters . Not tattoos or a literal mark like the Catholics put ashes on their foreheads . . . . or microchips or retina officiating needed to buy food necessary for these bodies of death or other things . driving licenses, dwelling . The list would have no end.

Satan as the father of lies has no form . In that way he would act as a god in the likeness of men just as in the garden using that seen the temporal to draw men away for m the faith that comes form hearing God not seen .

This is shown with Peter in Mathew 16:22-23. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy .)

Or like those in Acts 14 natural man that have no faith the comes by hearing God not. . . . seeing with the lust of eye the temporal .

When they saw the unseen work of Christ's faith the came from hearing the gospel. That did work in the individual , to both will and perform the good pleasure of God not seen..... enabling to walk . they made the apostles gods in the likeness of men to show they did not hear the gospel not mixing faith in what they did hear no sabbath rest . . a work of redemption.(Hebrew 4:1-4)

And there they preached the gospel.And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Acts 14:7-12

Its like our new born again faith . . . we walk by it as it is written. Previously never walked. . you could say having heard God speak as he did through Paul.
 
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We are created in God’s image and our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit...... so, Yeshua/Jesus Christ is to rule and reign in us - in our hearts and mind.

However, when the “mark of the beast” is placed upon man - in man’s hands and forehead... it is spiritual abomination of desolation - it makes that person that receives the mark, desolate- awaiting destruction in the lake of fire.
 
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Lafftur said:
We are created in God’s image and our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit...... so, Yeshua/Jesus Christ is to rule and reign in us - in our hearts and mind.

However, when the “mark of the beast” is placed upon man - in man’s hands and forehead... it is spiritual abomination of desolation - it makes that person that receives the mark, desolate- awaiting destruction in the lake of fire.
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There is no reason to believe the mark is literal as a sign and wonder or sign as a wonder. ( source of faith) . The same with the literal buying and selling of the things seen . We walk by faith the unseen eternal

The buying and selling has to do with the gospel truth . Esau another marked man seeing no value in the unseen things of God sold his birth rite for a cup of chili.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

The mark is the mark of Cain natural unconverted mankind . Mark my word it will come to pass. Once we receive the seal of Gods approval in our forehead or hand used to represent the will . The mark of Cain restless wander no sabbath rest in Christ like His brother Abel had did it disappears when we first believe.

Jesus says its a evil generation that seeks after signs in that way .The last was fulfilled at the cross.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Big difference between signs of the times, (Mathew 24) and a sign used a wonder .

2 Corinthians 5:7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 
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