3 sets of 10 commandments?

[TM19782017]

I have to have a talk with my Sunday school teacher from childhood.

I probably would have been kicked out of class for questioning their teaching methods.
We were told to call the priests F*ather ........
A big no no, according to the Bible.

I was raised Catholic but saw too many practices that didn’t correlate with scripture so, I consider myself Christian now.

 

[GKChesterton]

Catholics are Christians .
There seem to be a lot of practices in Catholic and other churches which seem on the face of it to contradict the scriptures, although sometimes they're possible to put into context .

 

[tourist]

I have to have a talk with my Sunday school teacher from childhood.

I probably would have been kicked out of class for questioning their teaching methods.
We were told to call the priests F*ather ........
A big no no, according to the Bible.

I was raised Catholic but saw too many practices that didn’t correlate with scripture so, I consider myself Christian now.

I found a lot of Catholic doctrine and practices that seem to conflict with scripture too. This is probably true as well for other church denominations.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

What does the title have to do with the post?

 

[p_rehbein]

That was my question as well...……..maybe they meant to say "three hail Mary's?"

 

[Nehemiah6]

Catholics are Christians

That should state "Catholics CONSIDER THEMSELVES to be Christians". While Catholics have been deceived by their church's hierarchy, today they have no excuse to see the difference between Bible Christianity and Catholic Christianity.

Getting back to the title of this thread, there is only one set of Ten Commandments.

BTW Chesterton was a staunch Catholic and believed that Catholicism was true. But he did not really tell us why he believed this from Scripture.

 

[GKChesterton]

That should state "Catholics CONSIDER THEMSELVES to be Christians". While Catholics have been deceived by their church's hierarchy, today they have no excuse to see the difference between Bible Christianity and Catholic Christianity.

Getting back to the title of this thread, there is only one set of Ten Commandments.

BTW Chesterton was a staunch Catholic and believed that Catholicism was true. But he did not really tell us why he believed this from Scripture.

Well I expect it was because Our Lord told one of his disciples to go and start it. Perhaps he noticed that it was the Catholic Church that preserved Christianity in the early days and spread it through the world so that you've even heard of it.
It's a very complicated thing you know.
I've said here before that any church is run in the physical world by men , and so we expect them to be vulnerable to sin and error. There are plenty of examples of this in Protestant churches too you know.

Catholics have a conscience just like other Christians , and each must choose where their priorities are in weighing up dogma and scripture. I don't think all Protestants accept gay marriage or abortion just because some Protestant leaders say so do they ?

I think G.K Chesterton regarded it as the enduring rock of Christianity which has been strong enough to withstand the onslaughts of history which would have destroyed those scriptures if they could.

You might compare that with the USA which, whilst imperfect, and whilst it has had to adopt harsh measures to do so, has nonetheless preserved democracy, liberty and the freedom of religion through terrible times and against wicked foes.

 

[JamOn]

What does the title have to do with the post?

I think it was a bit of sarcasm, lol

 

[Lightskin]

I have to have a talk with my Sunday school teacher from childhood.

I probably would have been kicked out of class for questioning their teaching methods.
We were told to call the priests F*ather ........
A big no no, according to the Bible.

I was raised Catholic but saw too many practices that didn’t correlate with scripture so, I consider myself Christian now.

Glad you escaped the heresy. 😎

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Catholics are Christians .
There seem to be a lot of practices in Catholic and other churches which seem on the face of it to contradict the scriptures, although sometimes they're possible to put into context .

hmmmm

if you don't know when you were saved, as your profile states, how do you know who is and who is not a Christian?

call me a 'fact checker' or call me just curious, but seriously, how do you know?

what is a Christian to you?

the Catholic Church that preserved Christianity in the early days and spread it through the world so that you've even heard of it.

no human being has preserved that actual body of Christ

that would be the work of the Holy Spirit

 

[Hevosmies]

Well I expect it was because Our Lord told one of his disciples to go and start it. Perhaps he noticed that it was the Catholic Church that preserved Christianity in the early days and spread it through the world so that you've even heard of it.
It's a very complicated thing you know.
I've said here before that any church is run in the physical world by men , and so we expect them to be vulnerable to sin and error. There are plenty of examples of this in Protestant churches too you know.

Catholics have a conscience just like other Christians , and each must choose where their priorities are in weighing up dogma and scripture. I don't think all Protestants accept gay marriage or abortion just because some Protestant leaders say so do they ?

I think G.K Chesterton regarded it as the enduring rock of Christianity which has been strong enough to withstand the onslaughts of history which would have destroyed those scriptures if they could.

You might compare that with the USA which, whilst imperfect, and whilst it has had to adopt harsh measures to do so, has nonetheless preserved democracy, liberty and the freedom of religion through terrible times and against wicked foes.

Hello there.

Obviously there is no Scriptural case to be made for the catholic church but the thing is, thats not really a problem to catholicism because they regard tradition as on par with scripture.

I got no problem with tradition if they dont conflict with the Bible. Thats where me and catholics go separate ways. I see a lot of the tradition they have as unbiblical (no problem there) and ANTI-biblical (big problem)

Things like confirmation saints, praying to saints, mary, bowing to statues of Mary while praying to her (specifically forbidden in the 10commandments), Papa (pope) that dresses like mama, works salvation, indulgences, mass in a language nobody understands, resacrificing of Jesus every sunday and ON AND ON it goes! The errors just dont end! Thats why its not a matter of "well no protestant church is perfect either" TRUE that, but ATLEAST you can count the errors on ONE HAND in many cases!

With the current ecumenical pope its getting WORSE and he is chilling with teh idolater hindus holding their god-statue shaking their hands and smiling like the devil he is! I know catholics who cant wait for a new pope, this one SUCKS! He isnt even catholic in doctrine, complete loser! I feel like Christianity is crumbling on ALL FRONTS, perhaps its the last days apostasy Paul prophecied, or maybe we will reel it back in soon!

Im not sure what enduring rock of Christianity he was describing, because when it comes to all forms of evil in history you BEST BELIEVE the catholic church was involved. Nothing new under the sun the scandals seem to be coming out of the catholic church over and over again. Instead of the exception, looks like its the rule for the priests to be full on hom*os, one of them recently spent CHURCH MONEY people had given and used it to buy "services" from other men. AND THIS GUY IS A "PRIEST". Stop going to that hellhole idolatreous church. You got more moral people hanging around at the BALLGAME!

You say that catholics protected Christianity in the early stages of the church, HEAR ME OUT: The "catholics" of that time WOULD NOT EVEN RECOGNIZE the abomination that is roman catholicism TODAY. They didnt pray to Mary back then! They didnt bow to statues back then! They didnt have golden buildings and billiosn of dollars back then! It only started transforming into the ROMAN catholic church in the 300s when CHRISTIANITY became a STATE RELIGION.

Wel now that i've kicked that rock, if anyone wants to have an actual discussion about the catholic church and their doctrines IM DOWN FOR IT; but first rules of engagement are: NO CREEDS, NO CREEDS, NO CREEDS can be used in the debate/discussion. I dont care about creeds. Lets focus on what the Apostles taught in the Bible!

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I have to have a talk with my Sunday school teacher from childhood.

I probably would have been kicked out of class for questioning their teaching methods.
We were told to call the priests F*ather ........
A big no no, according to the Bible.

I was raised Catholic but saw too many practices that didn’t correlate with scripture so, I consider myself Christian now.

John 8:51 “Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone guards My (Jesus) Word he shall never see death at all.”

 

[GKChesterton]

Hello there.

Obviously there is no Scriptural case to be made for the catholic church but the thing is, thats not really a problem to catholicism because they regard tradition as on par with scripture.

I got no problem with tradition if they dont conflict with the Bible. Thats where me and catholics go separate ways. I see a lot of the tradition they have as unbiblical (no problem there) and ANTI-biblical (big problem)

Things like confirmation saints, praying to saints, mary, bowing to statues of Mary while praying to her (specifically forbidden in the 10commandments), Papa (pope) that dresses like mama, works salvation, indulgences, mass in a language nobody understands, resacrificing of Jesus every sunday and ON AND ON it goes! The errors just dont end! Thats why its not a matter of "well no protestant church is perfect either" TRUE that, but ATLEAST you can count the errors on ONE HAND in many cases!

With the current ecumenical pope its getting WORSE and he is chilling with teh idolater hindus holding their god-statue shaking their hands and smiling like the devil he is! I know catholics who cant wait for a new pope, this one SUCKS! He isnt even catholic in doctrine, complete loser! I feel like Christianity is crumbling on ALL FRONTS, perhaps its the last days apostasy Paul prophecied, or maybe we will reel it back in soon!

Im not sure what enduring rock of Christianity he was describing, because when it comes to all forms of evil in history you BEST BELIEVE the catholic church was involved. Nothing new under the sun the scandals seem to be coming out of the catholic church over and over again. Instead of the exception, looks like its the rule for the priests to be full on hom*os, one of them recently spent CHURCH MONEY people had given and used it to buy "services" from other men. AND THIS GUY IS A "PRIEST". Stop going to that hellhole idolatreous church. You got more moral people hanging around at the BALLGAME!

You say that catholics protected Christianity in the early stages of the church, HEAR ME OUT: The "catholics" of that time WOULD NOT EVEN RECOGNIZE the abomination that is roman catholicism TODAY. They didnt pray to Mary back then! They didnt bow to statues back then! They didnt have golden buildings and billiosn of dollars back then! It only started transforming into the ROMAN catholic church in the 300s when CHRISTIANITY became a STATE RELIGION.

Wel now that i've kicked that rock, if anyone wants to have an actual discussion about the catholic church and their doctrines IM DOWN FOR IT; but first rules of engagement are: NO CREEDS, NO CREEDS, NO CREEDS can be used in the debate/discussion. I dont care about creeds. Lets focus on what the Apostles taught in the Bible!

Some of those things I'd agree with. Some seem a bit ill informed and even hostile to be honest.
It's better to discuss these things rationally and learn together through dialogue than choose sides and fight. Do you think that's the Christian message ?
There's some contoversy in the Catholic Church , you know , about what's been called "Marydolatory", and in any case praying to a Saint isn't the same as worshipping them or holding them as a "god".
I think there is scriptural reference to Saints isn't there ? Catholics might ask you why it's not allowed to ask these Saints to intercede with God, although I've always found it a tricky question myself actually.

Similarly, I find the current Pope somewhat perplexing, but there are possible explanations for that.
This stuff about " a priest did so and so" is rather silly because priests are capable of sin and wrongdoing just like various ministers and pastors from other churches. You seem to have cottoned on to the current political methodology of trying to dig dirt on an individual in order to discredit the policies of the party they represent , which is false logic .

Anyway, as I said before , a lot of Christians are Catholics. I'm sure they make mistakes and don't understand everything, but I doubt that anyone else does either. Study and prayer are probably a better way to understand than making such dogmatic statements.

 

[Hevosmies]

Some of those things I'd agree with. Some seem a bit ill informed and even hostile to be honest.
It's better to discuss these things rationally and learn together through dialogue than choose sides and fight. Do you think that's the Christian message ?
There's some contoversy in the Catholic Church , you know , about what's been called "Marydolatory", and in any case praying to a Saint isn't the same as worshipping them or holding them as a "god".
I think there is scriptural reference to Saints isn't there ? Catholics might ask you why it's not allowed to ask these Saints to intercede with God, although I've always found it a tricky question myself actually.

Similarly, I find the current Pope somewhat perplexing, but there are possible explanations for that.
This stuff about " a priest did so and so" is rather silly because priests are capable of sin and wrongdoing just like various ministers and pastors from other churches. You seem to have cottoned on to the current political methodology of trying to dig dirt on an individual in order to discredit the policies of the party they represent , which is false logic .

Anyway, as I said before , a lot of Christians are Catholics. I'm sure they make mistakes and don't understand everything, but I doubt that anyone else does either. Study and prayer are probably a better way to understand than making such dogmatic statements.

I stick behidn what I said. 100% true

To answer the question: The reason why you cant ask these saints to intercede for you is because #1 CHRIST is the mediator between God and man 1tim 2:15, and because you arent to pray to the dead! The catholic responds: They are alive, they are in Christ...... YOU DONT KNOW THAT. You dont know if saint so and so from the 600s was saved!

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Well I expect it was because Our Lord told one of his disciples to go and start it. Perhaps he noticed that it was the Catholic Church that preserved Christianity in the early days and spread it through the world so that you've even heard of it.
It's a very complicated thing you know.
I've said here before that any church is run in the physical world by men , and so we expect them to be vulnerable to sin and error. There are plenty of examples of this in Protestant churches too you know.

Catholics have a conscience just like other Christians , and each must choose where their priorities are in weighing up dogma and scripture. I don't think all Protestants accept gay marriage or abortion just because some Protestant leaders say so do they ?

I think G.K Chesterton regarded it as the enduring rock of Christianity which has been strong enough to withstand the onslaughts of history which would have destroyed those scriptures if they could.

You might compare that with the USA which, whilst imperfect, and whilst it has had to adopt harsh measures to do so, has nonetheless preserved democracy, liberty and the freedom of religion through terrible times and against wicked foes.

The true church that existed in the apostles day existed long before the Roman Catholic church was started, in fact, according to history, there was a split in the church between two of the elders over what should be allowed in the church to attract more interest for people to want to join the church. The split divided the church, with one elder believing that only singing praises, praying to God and preaching were the only things authorized by the scriptures, while the other elder, who persuaded a larger number of the membership to follow his idea to incorporate into the church such things that would appeal to the natural man's desire for entertainment. The larger split grew to an impressive large amount of membership that made the Roman government fear that they were a threat and incorporated them into their government and called it the Roman Catholic church, which proceeded to try to wipe out the existence of the true church and failed. Paul's earlier life was dedicated to attempt to wipe out the church.

 

[Nehemiah6]

What does the title have to do with the post?

Not a single thing. However, it doe catch the eye.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Catholics might ask you why it's not allowed to ask these Saints to intercede with God, although I've always found it a tricky question myself actually.

The whole business of praying to the saints and Mary is connected to many other false teachings of the CC, including Purgatory, Mortal and Venial Sins, the Canonization of Saints, Indulgences, etc.

For Christians it is really quite simple. Since God graciously invites us to come DIRECTLY to the Throne of Grace -- His very presence -- there is no need to go to anyone one else. Indeed that is an insult to God.

The irony is that Catholics recite the Lord's Prayer -- which begins with "Our Father" -- and then immediately turn to Mary to have their prayers answered! And it is the Catholic clergy which will support all of these false doctrines and practices.

 

[GKChesterton]

I'm quite surprised at the level of hostility towards Catholicism really.
Which type of alternative church do people here think has the real answers ?
Is there such a church, or do they just personally know the final answers ?

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Not a single thing. However, it doe catch the eye.

All that does is discredit the person to me.

 

[TheLearner]

I have to have a talk with my Sunday school teacher from childhood.

I probably would have been kicked out of class for questioning their teaching methods.
We were told to call the priests F*ather ........
A big no no, according to the Bible.

I was raised Catholic but saw too many practices that didn’t correlate with scripture so, I consider myself Christian now.

Authors wrote from both oral tradition and memory. So, it could be how the writer remembered or interpreted what they heard. We carbon based life forms are fallible.