Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

NayborBear · Sep 24, 2019

If you "trust" Jesus?
Trust also He who sent Jesus!
If I were to say to you "It's a piece of cake to be "proofed" by He who sent Jesus? DON'T believe me! Because it ain't!

Comes a time? Call it the "first resurrection?" When you're gonna wish you had Mosiac law! ANYTHING, actually! Cuz, THIS is what happens!

Isaiah 28
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

Cuz brother? "THAT" right there? THAT'S PROOFING!
When one can "stand" in one's faith, in the "understanding" of that which is going on?
Then, I would believe the reporting.

eternally-gratefull · Sep 24, 2019

FollowtheShepherd said:

So you do not believe the power to obey is love? Why is this

Why are people lawless? Is it not because they love self? When this increases, what happens to their true love? Des it not grow cold?

Non of these passages refute what i am saying the prove what i am saying both are descriptive passages, not prescriptive passages,

Do you understand what i mean here?

This does not prove every possible sin is found on mosaic law,

All it proves is that sin is an act of breaking laws

Mosaic law is but one law spoken of in scripture, and many commands are givem whcih are not included in that particular law.

No it is walking as jesus did

Loving others, putting their needs above your own

Do you realize two people can obey the same command yet one does it in sin, while the other does it out of a pure heart?

How can this be?

eternally-gratefull · Sep 24, 2019

NayborBear said:

Dude, the father sent jesus

I trust him and jesus

Your arguments are senseless, because you will not sit for one second and learn what people believe

Because according to you, if they disagree with you, they disagree with god, so what they believe does not matter

Once again, i can not trust you, because you have proven yourself to be untrustworthy because you can not even be trusted to know what others (myself included) believe

Shekinahglory · Sep 24, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Hi, I guess for me I have to go back to the beginning no not the Garden where the written Law began. We are talking about two different things. In order to understand it simplify it. We are told that the Abrahamic Covenant was entered into 430 years before the Kaw was codified and written. What was the Lawgiver intend for this covenant to do? Men could not touch the mount it was given on under penalty of death. Even an animal would die. Seems like one angry God which goes against everything He did for Adam and Eve in the Garden. But we are dealing with a covenant ratified by blood 430 years before Sinai. We are told that you cannot combine Law and Grace. Why is that? When Israel was under the Abrahamic Covenant it was a covenant of pure Grace. Then Israel at Sinai went to a new low while Moses was on the mount and the Law was given because of their rebellion. But there was something funny going on. Down below the eternal Covenant given through Abraham was on one set on railroad tracks and there was a second set of railroad tracks and the Law was placed on the second track the Law was added to Abrahams covenant are simply in error. These two covenants had the same destination the cross of Christ. There one covenant being eternal, Abe's, and one covenant designed to bring men to Christ on His cross and having done so it ended. Well meaning people have taught that added here is kike math and 1 and 1 is 1 covenant, But this added means something you place alongside of. The Law was placed alongside Abraham's Covenant not absorbed into it make one covenant. To do so is to go against the Lord's will for the Law. Courts jammed, jails and prisons can't be built fast enough and the streets, the boardrooms and it appears even the highest positions of power. Corruption and all the other ills of society like leaven spoiling the who loaf. Even the Church is being filled with the leaven, calling evil good and good evil, sex scandals Liberty Universities leadership, and everywhere we look the leaven is alive and growing.

Before any of you jump on me please let me finish. The believer under Abraham's covenant no longer under the Mosaic Covenant that does not mean we are no longer under Law its just a bigger better Law. A Law that not only teaches us to live good lives in the time we wait for the Lord's return , Titus 2: 11- 15, it has a component the Law doesn't have the power to live that life. The Law of the kingdom was given on a second mountain not identified but what a difference come up sit down, make yourself comfortable, no pleading to not hear any more like Sinai. Listen to some of the Law of the Kingdom, known as the Royal Law. Love not only fulfills the Love does no harm to anyone. Under Law sue anyone and everyone under the Royal Law of the kingdom, turn the other cheek, walk an extra mile with the one who has accosted you, steals your jacket give up you shirt as well. Those who mock this being the Royal Law of the Kingdom reject it for he written Law because under Law you can seek to save your life while you loose it. Bars on our windows, guns, alarm systems and we become more and more pursuing keeping what I got no matter what kind of action I must take to do so. Is there any wonder men prefer living under the written Law? The written Law says what it says to the unrighteous who remain under the written Law unless and until that Law leads them to Christ as their Savior.

A few things about the Law. The folks who wish to remain under the Law Paul asks do you know what the Law says? The tone of the question shows Paul believes this is a mistake. Why would that be? Paul destroys the claim the 10 Commandments are still over akk men because these are God's moral laws. But Paul says that when the Law came every form of coveting came to life in him. Not was created in him but sin that was like a hibernating beast came to life in him. The error that Law is meant to lead us and teach us to live is just that wrong. Whether it was Eve in the Garden or Paul thousands of years later when the Law came into Paul's life Paul tells us and showed how written Law only incites sin to great wickedness. Lw has no power except to condemn but on a negative sense it is the power sin uses to be sin, 1 Cor. 15: 55- 56. written Law prevents us for living for Christ. Law makes it impossible for the Lord's intended Bride to wed Him . romans 7. Law holds us in a cell until we are released by coming to Christ and allowing God's written Law having done all the Lord desires it to do come to an end except over non believers. Our works will be judged by the fire and everything not done through the Royal Law of the Kingdom will be burned and we will suffer loss of reward not salvation. Oh by the way the Scriptures tell the Lord designed His Law to come to an end because we are dead to the Law. We are told that we died in Christ on His cross. What put us to death to the Law? The Law puts us to death to the Law. this is the design of God for His law and even more when we add the teaching. He took Law with Him to the cross. While they nailed Him yo His cross our Lord Carpenter was doing a little carpentry of His own. The great cloud of witnesses watching what is taking place we are told He nailed it to the cross the place of death. But what maybe the most important reason is told Col 2 that in nailing the Law to His cross He disarmed the powers of darkness. That's correct the powers of darkness armed themselves with the holy, righteous and good Law of God and has been using the Law to deceive men and dishonor God. This post is too long so I can start another post of how Satan took God's Law and has used it against God's people since the Garden of Eden. Sorry for length.

Grandpa · Sep 24, 2019

Lightskin said:

I went shopping yesterday and the cashier overcharged me.

NayborBear said:

It would really take quite some time to untangle the mess you are in. Step one in your problem is recognizing that the Lord Jesus Christ IS God.

If you can't overcome this hurdle then everything that I say after that would be meaningless to you.

Grandpa · Sep 24, 2019

nope

FollowtheShepherd said:

Circle back to WORKING at the law is what you do. You always leave just a little bit of the truth out of the things you say.

Romans 9:30-32
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Which here keep the commandments of God and faith of Christ?

The gentiles, who don't work at the law but have attained to Righteousness?

Or the jews, who do work at the law but have not attained to Righteousness?

Grandpa · Sep 24, 2019

FollowtheShepherd said:

So you don't believe that Christ gives His People Rest from their work at the law?

How do people rest if they are working at the law?

Did you know that Moses is NOT the Shepherd? So far you haven't been able to answer any of these VERY easy questions any Christian should be able to answer. I've been serving them up like meatballs and you haven't even got a foul tip yet.

C'mon man!

Grandpa · Sep 24, 2019

RickStudies said:

You do the same exact thing she does, so why wouldn't you defend her?

You come out and say "The Lord failed". The one I was replying to doesn't think she says that.

If the Lord has said not one jot or tittle shall fall from the law until All is fulfilled how can someone else come and say "The law of blood has been fulfilled but everything else is still valid"???

Without also saying "The Lord failed"? Like you do.

I think she would be kind of appalled if she knew that was what she was saying. But maybe I give her too much credit.

SimpleGardner · Sep 24, 2019

Shekinahglory said:

The Law was in existence from the beginning.

Gen 26:5 KJV
(5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Th Sabbath was sanctified in the beginning of Genesis.

The Law was incorporated into a covenant with Israel, but certainly existed long before that.

SG

Shekinahglory · Sep 24, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

hi SG the law was indeed in effect from before the beginning. But the Law was stolen by Satan in the Garden of Eden when he got Eve to reject God's Grace for the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil. Up until then all anyone new was good. But they were created in the flesh and flesh has always been sinful and capable of sinning and the wage of sin is death. There is nothing that can reveal sin except for the Law. Paul says he could not know what coveting was if the Law had not said do not covet. Covet was by the tree coveting. When the Law came, Satan reminded her of the one and only Law in existence and Eve saw the fruit was good etc. Law was acting on Eve just as Paul explained it happens thousands of years after the Garden. Sin seizing the opportunity brought forth every form of coveting until it bloomed in taking and eating the fruit. . All that ended for the believer is life under the written Law. We now have a Royal Law. The Royal Law for the subjects in His kingdom here on earth and it was given in the Beatitudes. Check out the Beatitudes and see why men are much more willing to live under Mosaic than Beatitudes. Paul tells us that we died to the Law through the Law. God's design. We are told sin becomes utterly sinful under Law not less sinful. Law has no power to help us live as it requires but we are told Grace has that power. Law's power is the opposite it is the power sin grabs hold of to be completely sinful. Law was meant to lead us to Christ having done so Grace takes over in this time we wait for our returned Lord. Titus 2: 11- 15. Prevents us from being the Bride of Christ and living for him Ro. 7. And worst, but not last, the Lord when they took Him to the cross had something He took to the cross the place of death the Law. Christ nailed the Law to His cross and when He did so he disarmed Satan and the powers of darkness who armed themselves way back in the Garden. For believers to take the Law Christ nailed to His cross is not only opposing God's will it rearmed those same powers the Son paid with His life to disarm. Col. 2

DeighAnn · Sep 24, 2019

2 Corinthians 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2 Corinthians 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish

2 Corinthians 2:16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Not as those, who were many, who with deceit, mixed doctrine with falsehoods to promote a doctrine or theory for their own purposes, making it to mean what ever they wanted, but he was speaking Gods Truth, nothing changed or added.

2 Corinthians 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
Did they need recommendations from other churches?

2 Corinthians 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men
The changes God had produced in their lives could be seen

2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
No letters of recommendation could give them what they were living in real life what the Word of God taught

2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
It is Christ who strengthens him and where his trust lies

2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves but our sufficiency is of God
There is nothing that comes from ourselves to convince and convert sinners to God, this is done only by the power of God and there is nothing we can say or do on our own that will do it. These are not people special people with special talents, but people that God is working through to bring about His truth.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament not of the letter, but of the spirit, for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
The OT is of law, the NT is of Grace. It is through our lives lived with faith in Jesus, that the righteousness and grace and mercy of God is revealed. As ministers we must teach with the" true spiritual sense" of what is meant, not the letter of the law, which evil loves while missing the true nature of what is meant

wokinluv · Sep 24, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

"Stop saying I am speaking against works, I am sick of this LAME twist of my words, You can not read what I am saying and say I am against works."

It's funny how you can make this up to prove a point. Kindly show me where I said such things.

"I answered your question, So now once again your a slanderer and a liar, How can you say God has written his law in your heart, then go around bearing a false witness?
But to prove your false and willful twisting and slandering"

Is this below what you call a slander and false witnessing? Is this some kind of joke, a reverse psychology or just purely intimidation?

"You have provoked me to reply to your merry go round argument so I expect you to answer my questions otherwise I'll have to let it pass and let God be true and judge us."

I have this one from Jude below and I hope I will not be charged of slander, false witnessing and twisting and if I may add the ad hominem.

These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. Jude 1:12-21

Lightskin · Sep 24, 2019

Still no answers to be found for the questions asked in posts 8215 & 8238. 🦗 🦗 🦗

Grandpa · Sep 24, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Gods Law was in existence from the beginning.

The 10 commandments were added because of transgression. Rejecting Grace.

That is what people get to this day when they reject Grace.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

The solution;
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

SimpleGardner · Sep 24, 2019

Shekinahglory said:

hi SG the law was indeed in effect from before the beginning. But the Law was stolen by Satan in the Garden of Eden when he got Eve to reject God's Grace for the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil. Up until then all anyone new was good. But they were created in the flesh and flesh has always been sinful and capable of sinning and the wage of sin is death. There is nothing that can reveal sin except for the Law. Paul says he could not know what coveting was if the Law had not said do not covet. Covet was by the tree coveting. When the Law came, Satan reminded her of the one and only Law in existence and Eve saw the fruit was good etc. Law was acting on Eve just as Paul explained it happens thousands of years after the Garden. Sin seizing the opportunity brought forth every form of coveting until it bloomed in taking and eating the fruit. . All that ended for the believer is life under the written Law. We now have a Royal Law. The Royal Law for the subjects in His kingdom here on earth and it was given in the Beatitudes. Check out the Beatitudes and see why men are much more willing to live under Mosaic than Beatitudes. Paul tells us that we died to the Law through the Law. God's design. We are told sin becomes utterly sinful under Law not less sinful. Law has no power to help us live as it requires but we are told Grace has that power. Law's power is the opposite it is the power sin grabs hold of to be completely sinful. Law was meant to lead us to Christ having done so Grace takes over in this time we wait for our returned Lord. Titus 2: 11- 15. Prevents us from being the Bride of Christ and living for him Ro. 7. And worst, but not last, the Lord when they took Him to the cross had something He took to the cross the place of death the Law. Christ nailed the Law to His cross and when He did so he disarmed Satan and the powers of darkness who armed themselves way back in the Garden. For believers to take the Law Christ nailed to His cross is not only opposing God's will it rearmed those same powers the Son paid with His life to disarm. Col. 2

Well Spoken,

But I would challenge you that the "Letter of the Law Kills" not "the Law Kills". Without the Holy Spirit the letter cannot be easily kept. The Spirit of the Law is the power that man needs to keep the Commandments of God and the faith and testimony of Yahshua.

I think I understand you to say that it was Nachash that convinced Eve to sin by repeating the command. I will give that some thought, but I do also recognize that he beguiled her into considering the profits of sin above that of remaining obedient to the command.

SG

SimpleGardner · Sep 24, 2019

Grandpa said:

Another way to look at it is the anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing with the Spirit of Grace;
Rom 2:14 KJV
(14) For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Those who reject the Holy Spirit have resected the Spirit of Grace which writes the Law upon a mans heart.

When this grace is rejected the Letter of the Law is there to condemn them. When the Spirit of Grace is there there is no need for the letter as it is upon their hearts! But the wise man studies the letter as well.

SG

Shekinahglory · Sep 24, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

no problem with it being the letter because I do mean t5he written Law He has placed on our hearts His Royal Law the Beatitudes the Law of the Kingdom and forever. thanks for you input nice,

RickStudies · Sep 24, 2019

Grandpa said:

I am fascinated by this. Explain how in your mind you are able to think I said Jesus failed? The accusations that get tossed around this place are a foul, amateurish replacement for real debate and dialogue. Morbid curiousity is the only reason I can come up with for my continueing to view these messages, though I have scaled back my participation in dialogue back quite a bit.

RickStudies · Sep 24, 2019

Lightskin said:

All those who say it`s wrong to use the law for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness.

Shekinahglory · Sep 24, 2019

Shekinahglory said:

Sory I didn't answer about Nachash was indeed the one who came counterfeiting the Lord. As you know nachash can be translated "Bright and Shining One" when speaking of an angel. Take a look at ez. 28 it shows the guardian cherub who was in Eden. He is dressed just like the High Priest only he has 9 of the twelve tribes, We are told that three shepherds/kings get plucked uo leaving 10 crowns and seven heads.

Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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