Abomination of Desolation

[louis]

God was not talking about a spiritual temple in dan 9 or in matt 24.

Spiritual temple is out new life, it relates to us, not the whole world

At the conclusion of the beast's 42 months, the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When the Lord comes like a thief, He will then remove his spirit from the temples of the faithless who will have chosen to believe the lie/the delusion, the man of sin will have given them (2 Thess 2:3), so that they could take pleasure in not believing the truth (2 Thes 2:10-12).
The whole faithless world, all of whom currently experience illumination from the Lord in their temples, will then find themselves in utter darkness, while the Lord's people will then experience great illumination (Isaiah 60:1-2), being caught up to the Lord spiritually (1 Thessalonians 4:17). I recognize this greater illumination as the blessing on day 1335 in Daniel 12:12, which comes some days after the beasts system has commenced to collapse.

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[KJV1611]

What do you mean by that?

The abomination of killing Jesus is why Jesus made them desolate... the abomination that maketh earthly Jerusalem desolate.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The abomination of killing Jesus is why Jesus made them desolate... the abomination that maketh earthly Jerusalem desolate.

Daniel was not told this

He was told the prince who is to come will abominate the holy place by placing an idol or unclean thing there

And as jesus said, it will be seen by the people, and should cause the people to react,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

At the conclusion of the beast's 42 months, the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When the Lord comes like a thief, He will then remove his spirit from the temples of the faithless who will have chosen to believe the lie/the delusion, the man of sin will have given them (2 Thess 2:3), so that they could take pleasure in not believing the truth (2 Thes 2:10-12).
The whole faithless world, all of whom currently experience illumination from the Lord in their temples, will then find themselves in utter darkness, while the Lord's people will then experience great illumination (Isaiah 60:1-2), being caught up to the Lord spiritually (1 Thessalonians 4:17). I recognize this greater illumination as the blessing on day 1335 in Daniel 12:12, which comes some days after the beasts system has commenced to collapse.

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

This does not refute what i said

No jew in Daniel's day or Jesus day would have taken this spiritual interpretation, so why should we?

We should interpret it like they would, (since it was given or written to them) that is called proper hermeneutics

 

[KJV1611]

Daniel was not told this

He was told the prince who is to come will abominate the holy place by placing an idol or unclean thing there

And as jesus said, it will be seen by the people, and should cause the people to react,

No Daniel said that after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself. Then at a later time another prince would come and destroy those miserable sinners.

Then he said that Jesus would come and confirm the covenant that God made with Abraham.

He also said that Jesus, being the fulfillment of the daily sacrifice, would cause the need for the daily sacrifice to end.

And get this EG, he actually caused that to happen in the midst of one literal week, seven days.

 

[KJV1611]

And?

Their renewal is not prophesied until AFTER these events, these are events which lead them to repentance

We should rejoice that people will get saved, not mock because we hate the idea of these people being saved,

Where do you come up with this stuff EG?

God is done with Israel, they have foreshadowed and fulfilled everything that they were to foreshadow. God gave them a chance to turn to Christ as a nation and they killed him. You have to start believing the Bible!

Amo 8:2 (KJV) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No Daniel said that after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself. Then at a later time another prince would come and destroy those miserable sinners.

Um nope he never said that, he aaid later a prince will come who will confirm some covenant with many for 7 years, then break it after that time by placing an idol in the holy place making it desolate,

Then he said that Jesus would come and confirm the covenant that God made with Abraham.

Nope, jesus did that when he was “cut off” the cobvenant is confirmed long after his event, after the wars and rumers of wars of kingdoms rising against each other as even jesus said

He also said that Jesus, being the fulfillment of the daily sacrifice, would cause the need for the daily sacrifice to end.

Nope,

It said the prince who is to come will stop sacrifice by placing an idol in the place of sacrifice.

And get this EG, he actually caused that to happen in the midst of one literal week, seven days.

Nope, you got it all messed up. Nothing i. Daniels prophecy is given in literal days.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where do you come up with this stuff EG?

By listening to the word and taking it literally.

God is done with Israel, they have foreshadowed and fulfilled everything that they were to foreshadow. God gave rhem
A chance to turn to Christ as a nation and they killed him. You have to start believing the Bible!

Amo 8:2 (KJV) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

Lol, then god is not a keeper if his promises, forever does not mean forever

Remember, this has nothing to do with israel it has to do with the fathers, the promises was made them them it is their gift

The children are just blessed with that gift, IF they hold to lev 26, if not, 70 ad was promised to happen

But even then god said if they turn repent and acknowledge, god will remember his promise

Its sad you think if they repent as god commanded, god will no longer remember the promise

 

[KJV1611]

Um nope he never said that, he aaid later a prince will come who will confirm some covenant with many for 7 years, then break it after that time by placing an idol in the holy place making it desolate,



Nope, jesus did that when he was “cut off” the cobvenant is confirmed long after his event, after the wars and rumers of wars of kingdoms rising against each other as even jesus said


Nope,

It said the prince who is to come will stop sacrifice by placing an idol in the place of sacrifice.


Nope, you got it all messed up. Nothing i. Daniels prophecy is given in literal days.

You say the Antichrist is CONFIRMING a covenant that he made with Israel.

You CONFIRM something that is already in existence. Where would one find this covenant that the Antichrist made with Israel? What book of the Bible do we see the Antichrist making any covenant that he’s coming to confirm in the future?

 

[KJV1611]

I’m not responding to nonsense EG.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You say the Antichrist is CONFIRMING a covenant that he made with Israel.

No it says he confirms a covenant with many

You CONFIRM something that is already in existence. Where would one find this covenant that the Antichrist made with Israel? What book of the Bible do we see the Antichrist making any covenant that he’s coming to confirm in the future?

Well since it has not happened yet, thats kinda of hard to say now is it not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I’m not responding to nonsense EG.

Your not responding to logic,

Your responding to what you have been taught, and out of what you believe, and not letting the word tell you what to believe.

 

[KJV1611]

Your not responding to logic,

Your responding to what you have been taught, and out of what you believe, and not letting the word tell you what to believe.

I was taught the stuff your saying. I actually started reading the Bible and stopped believing the way you believe because it’s not even close to what the Bible says.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was taught the stuff your saying. I actually started reading the Bible and stopped believing the way you believe because it’s not even close to what the Bible says.

if you read the bible you would still believe as I do

Because you have to TWIST the bible and take things out of context and history to come up with your view.

 

[KJV1611]

if you read the bible you would still believe as I do

Because you have to TWIST the bible and take things out of context and history to come up with your view.

Twist lol. Show me where the Bible says there’s a seven year peace treaty between Israel and the Antichrist.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Twist lol. Show me where the Bible says there’s a seven year peace treaty between Israel and the Antichrist.

I never said there was now did I?

Why do you keep putting words in my mouth and then tell me I am wrong?

 

[garee]

Yes, I am very aware that our bodies are the temple of God. However, you need to be able to discern the difference between the temple of the body vs. the literal temple in Jerusalem, which is what you are not doing. You just continue to ignore the scriptures which I am providing for you which demonstrate that the literal temple is in view.

I would ask. Are you aware that no man can serve two masters? 1) that which the eyes see the temporal and 2) what the eyes do not see revealed but rather revealed by God the eternal. . and this would include temples as to the unseen power within. No temple in the new heavens and earth.

What you are doing is simply misapplying the meaning of the temple here. Consider the following:

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18And let no one in the field return for his cloak."

Seeing the removal of that occurred the moment Jesus said; "it is finished" the veil was rent (not 70 AD.) .The temporal form of Pagan religion that stood in the holy place until the signal of the reformation. . . the rent veil.

So, according to the scripture above, the setting up of the abomination will be a sign for those in Judea to flee into the mountains.

Yes, it was the object lesson used as a parable .Without parable he spoke not .His whole life was a living parable .

Matthew 24:1-2 King James Version (KJV) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The meaning of the parable was hid from them as a object of faith . Jesus departed out as a sign that the abomination of desolation had come to an end . They questioned Jesus like were you sleeping? Did you have your eyes open? Why did you depart? Lets go back and take some snap shots.

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives or like when Samson was used to typify Christ as a judge. Samson according to that parable move border form the lower to the high place mount of Olives. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ

Judges 16:3 And Samson lay till midnight, and arose at midnight, and took the doors of the gate of the city, and the two posts, and went away with them, bar and all, and put them upon his shoulders, and carried them up to the top of an hill that is before Hebron.

Revelations 11:15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[KJV1611]

I never said there was now did I?

Why do you keep putting words in my mouth and then tell me I am wrong?

So you’re saying that you don’t believe the Antichrist is going to break a peace treaty with Israel and slaughter a pig in the temple of God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you’re saying that you don’t believe the Antichrist is going to break a peace treaty with Israel and slaughter a pig in the temple of God?

I believe as I always have

The prince who is to come will CONFIRMS SOME TREATY FOR 7 YEARS WITH MANY

in the MIDDLE of that 7 year period. HE WILL COMMIT The ABOMINATION WHICH CAUSES DESOLATION

Just like gabriel told daniel he would do.

SOme people call that treaty a peace treaty, No one really knows for sure, All it is is conjecture, It may be, it may not be,

what kind of treat does not matter, The fact a prince does it does. and what he does during that treaty matters.

 

[KJV1611]

I believe as I always have

The prince who is to come will CONFIRMS SOME TREATY FOR 7 YEARS WITH MANY

in the MIDDLE of that 7 year period. HE WILL COMMIT The ABOMINATION WHICH CAUSES DESOLATION

Just like gabriel told daniel he would do.

SOme people call that treaty a peace treaty, No one really knows for sure, All it is is conjecture, It may be, it may not be,

what kind of treat does not matter, The fact a prince does it does. and what he does during that treaty matters.

The Bible says he confirms a covenant. Do you know what confirmation means. It means that he was making valid a covenant that existed in the past, he’s coming to validate it.

You know like Christ came and died on the cross and confirmed the covenant with Abraham.

Which covenant did the Antichrist make with the many that he is coming in the future to confirm it, validate that the agreement is good.