Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Faith upholds or establishes the law
So you do agree that those who uphold the law, obey and teach others to obey God's word/s and whatever He has commanded us...have faith... as James stated that faith and actions are working together as in a faith that works in love according to Paul. (James 2:22, Galatians 5:6)
What is it with you all that this is hard to comprehend?
Does upholding the law require works of obedience or not? Can a faith without works (dead faith) uphold the law?
Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. James 1:23-25
The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.
Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.
God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
So you do agree that those who uphold the law, obey and teach others to obey God's word/s and whatever He has commanded us...have faith... as James stated that faith and actions are working together as in a faith that works in love according to Paul. (James 2:22, Galatians 5:6)
What is it with you all that this is hard to comprehend?
Does upholding the law require works of obedience or not? Can a faith without works (dead faith) uphold the law?
Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. James 1:23-25
The Master's word/s is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.
Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.
God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
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Well lets see, even james said that if you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point your guilty of all
No one can keep Gods standard of the law. So no, i do not agree with you, if we think we can keep the law, we do not need christ. Thats why isreal crucified him and rejected him and even after that said yay, we now have grace, but we have to add law also (which is what paul fought most of his christian life
Faith in christ establishes what the law tells, we are guilty, and with out hope, even the laws answer (the levitical preisthood) could not over come that problem, which is why christ came,
Faith points to christ, that is how the law is established,
You uphold the law by recieving christ through faith. and then, after yur saved, living out that faith, which is called works, or producing fruit.
One who never does any work just proves his faith was dead, can a dead faith save? James says no, as did paul they just spoke to two different groups,
Amen
So don’t look to the law, look to who you can serve and love, this is what jesus did, you can do it too, as can I,
But we should never be so proud we think we are perfect, if we say we have no sin, we are deceived.
Where do we go when we sin, to the law in fear, or to our abba knowing he loves us?
No one can keep Gods standard of the law. So no, i do not agree with you, if we think we can keep the law, we do not need christ. Thats why isreal crucified him and rejected him and even after that said yay, we now have grace, but we have to add law also (which is what paul fought most of his christian life
Faith in christ establishes what the law tells, we are guilty, and with out hope, even the laws answer (the levitical preisthood) could not over come that problem, which is why christ came,
Faith points to christ, that is how the law is established,
You uphold the law by recieving christ through faith. and then, after yur saved, living out that faith, which is called works, or producing fruit.
One who never does any work just proves his faith was dead, can a dead faith save? James says no, as did paul they just spoke to two different groups,
Amen
So don’t look to the law, look to who you can serve and love, this is what jesus did, you can do it too, as can I,
But we should never be so proud we think we are perfect, if we say we have no sin, we are deceived.
Where do we go when we sin, to the law in fear, or to our abba knowing he loves us?
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Romans 10:2-4
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Faith in Christ establishes the law.
Working at the law is NOT FAITH.
Establishing the law by faith in Christ does NOT require working on our part. What is required is resting in Christ. Trusting in Christ. Becoming His Workmanship and not your own.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Faith in Christ establishes the law.
Working at the law is NOT FAITH.
Establishing the law by faith in Christ does NOT require working on our part. What is required is resting in Christ. Trusting in Christ. Becoming His Workmanship and not your own.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
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And as long as believers have the spirit of God in them the law will be in their hearts and minds
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
and because many are lawless, love will grow cold
Matthew 24:10-12, " 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold."
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
and because many are lawless, love will grow cold
Matthew 24:10-12, " 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold."
I pretty much agree with this, nust want to add something to it rather than disagree, probably the main way He does this is with His Spirit, He guides us, nudges us, teaches us, and among other things , corrects us to be more and more the way He wants. I think also Jesus perfect example and words are continually what the Spirit teaches and is in line with.
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The believer is no longer under the schoolmaster, the law has completed its task in the believing soul
I do not think this is the same law as the law written on stone, the ten commands, given as the ministry of death
I believe this is the law of love and following the spirit, which whoever learns to master through the power if god will become christlike
But will still, since they still sin, be cursed by the law, because they fall short
I do not think this is the same law as the law written on stone, the ten commands, given as the ministry of death
I believe this is the law of love and following the spirit, which whoever learns to master through the power if god will become christlike
But will still, since they still sin, be cursed by the law, because they fall short
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well Jesus says it will not change:
Matthew 5:17-20, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
and if it has not change AND it is written on the heart and mind
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
I don't see how the textbook can be discarded. I can see Jesus being the perfect example of the textbook.
John 13:15, “For I (Jesus) gave you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”
Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Matthew 5:17-20, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
and if it has not change AND it is written on the heart and mind
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
I don't see how the textbook can be discarded. I can see Jesus being the perfect example of the textbook.
John 13:15, “For I (Jesus) gave you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”
Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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It has not changed, people still need a schoolmaster
As paul said, once the wchoolmaster has completed its task, it is no longer NEEDED
Saying it is not needed it not saying it is done away
I do not think the ten commands (engraven in stone) are the commands spoken of here
I am sorry, but how can a list of commands used to judge you be a ministry of righteousness? Especially when they are called a ministry of death.
As paul said, once the wchoolmaster has completed its task, it is no longer NEEDED
Saying it is not needed it not saying it is done away
I do not think the ten commands (engraven in stone) are the commands spoken of here
I am sorry, but how can a list of commands used to judge you be a ministry of righteousness? Especially when they are called a ministry of death.
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Thats the whole reasoning behind my belief
It is not the law which makes us righteous morally good people. It is learning how to love as god loved, and taking his love and sharing it with others,
It also, is not saying the law is done away with. Or can be broken any time we please..even paul refutes this line of thinking
It is not the law which makes us righteous morally good people. It is learning how to love as god loved, and taking his love and sharing it with others,
It also, is not saying the law is done away with. Or can be broken any time we please..even paul refutes this line of thinking
But at the same time if we are Spirit led we will walk in God's law.
Ezekiel 36:26-27, " 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
Ezekiel 36:26-27, " 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
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Well I don't throw the textbook out when the teacher walks in, and the text book is the way to make sure we are on the same page as the teacher.
Every word is every word.
Matthew 4:4, "But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
The phrase "the commandments of God" is clear, I know people make it whatever they want, to me it is clear.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Paul says it's good in Romans and death in Corinthians...
Romans 7:12-14, “So that the Law truly is holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good. Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great sinner. For we know that the Law is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin."
2 Corinthians 3:7-8, “But if the administering of death in letters, engraved on stones, was esteemed, so that the children of Israel were unable to look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, which was passing away, how much more glory shall the administering of the Spirit not be?”
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Sin= death, not righteous commands.
James 1:12-18, " 12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Every word is every word.
Matthew 4:4, "But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
The phrase "the commandments of God" is clear, I know people make it whatever they want, to me it is clear.
Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Paul says it's good in Romans and death in Corinthians...
Romans 7:12-14, “So that the Law truly is holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good. Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great sinner. For we know that the Law is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin."
2 Corinthians 3:7-8, “But if the administering of death in letters, engraved on stones, was esteemed, so that the children of Israel were unable to look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, which was passing away, how much more glory shall the administering of the Spirit not be?”
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Sin= death, not righteous commands.
James 1:12-18, " 12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
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Yes the law does not make us righteous or loving, but it is how we know:
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
1 John 5:2-3, " 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
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I think we are arguing two different points here. Some are arguing about "where we go" from the law, i.e. to Christ for Redemption, and the others are arguing "where we go" after we have come to Christ.
We have some are stopping once we have accepted Christ hence we no longer need the law and some are saying we need the law to continue on and bring others to Christ which can not be done without the law because that is what brings us to Christ in the first place. So one side is hearing "we need the law still" because we are going out to teach, and the other side is hearing "we don't need the law" because we have come to Christ. Some are hearing the law is to be followed meaning "we have been to school and been disciplined, and acknowledge the teachings changed us forever in that we learned what God wants" and some are hearing "we only look to Christ, and we take what we have learned though it has no power over us, and we freely walk in the love of Christ. Which if everyone came out of the same school, it is just the way it is all worded, yet the meanings in the end would be the same. In other words we are all saying the same thing in different ways. Or I could be wrong because I only understand my side which is "acknowledging the law is how I learned, and therefore how I teach so that it can't be "done away" with, even though I have come to Christ" and any words that suggest it void in any fashion, just flat out bothers me.
The school master brought us to Christ. How? By watching over us as we were but children in the Word.
The word schoolmaster is Strongs #3807 paidagógos a boy's guardian or tutor, a slave who had charge of the life and morals of the boys of a family, not strictly a teacher.
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paidagōgós (from 3816 /país, "a child under development by strict instruction") – properly, a legally appointed overseer, authorized to train (bring) up a child by administering discipline, chastisement, and instruction, i.e. doing what was necessary to promote development.
3807 (paidagōgos) is used of the role of the Law (OT), especially the necessary "letter" (foundation, technicalities) needed to establish the doctrines of salvation, grace, faith, etc.
Can we be brought to Christ without the law? If faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God, then once we ourselves have come to Christ, we are "freed" of our schoolmaster, (we have learned our lessons) where are we to go? Spread the Word to the lost of the world. So, we go out, find the lost, teach and/or bring them to the schoolmaster, they hear the word, realize they are sinners, unable to save themselves, and now, knowing the only way to be saved is through Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour, and they come to Christ, "freed" of the schoolmaster etc.
What does the "law" teach us besides we are sinners and have need for a "Saviour"? How are we to become "disciples" ourselves?
Moral discipline, guidance and training, knowledge and understanding
How to form our character
To restrain from evil and temptation
What is to be done and to be avoided
What is righteousness and what is not
The nature of sin, its demerit and consequences
To prepare us so that we would be ready to be "taught" by Jesus
It condemns and thus prepares to welcome the offer of pardon through a Redeemer.
For our duty to God and men
It still does this, today
The law was our schoolmaster unto Christ, so the law is the schoolmaster unto Christ for those who are just being found.
from Gills exposition
The ceremonial law gave them some hints of the Gospel scheme, and the way of salvation by Christ, but in a manner suited to their estate of childhood; by sights and shows, by types and figures, by rites and ceremonies, by shadows and sacrifices; it taught them by divers washings the pollution of their nature, their need of the blood of Christ to cleanse from all sin; by circumcision, the necessity of regeneration, and the internal circumcision of the heart; by the passover, the daily sacrifice and other offerings, the doctrines of redemption, satisfaction, and atonement; and by the brazen serpent, the necessity of looking to Christ for life and salvation, and by various other things in that branch of the legal economy: but besides the instruction the law gave, it made use of discipline as a schoolmaster does; it kept a strict eye and hand over them, and them close to the performance of their duty; and restrained them from many things their inclinations led them to, threatening them with death in case of disobedience, and inflicting its penalties on delinquents; hence they that were under its discipline, The ceremonial law gave them some hints of the Gospel scheme, and the way of salvation by Christ, but in a manner suited to their estate of childhood; by sights and shows, by types and figures, by rites and ceremonies, by shadows and sacrifices; it taught them by divers washings the pollution of their nature, their need of the blood of Christ to cleanse from all sin; by circumcision, the necessity of regeneration, and the internal circumcision of the heart; by the passover, the daily sacrifice and other offerings, the doctrines of redemption, satisfaction, and atonement; and by the brazen serpent, the necessity of looking to Christ for life and salvation, and by various other things in that branch of the legal economy: but besides the instruction the law gave, it made use of discipline as a schoolmaster does; it kept a strict eye and hand over them, and them close to the performance of their duty; and restrained them from many things their inclinations led them to, threatening them with death in case of disobedience, and inflicting its penalties on delinquents; hence they that were under its discipline, were through fear of death it threatened them with, all their time subject to bondage: even the ceremonial law had something awful and tremendous in it; every beast that was slain in sacrifice was not only an instruction to them that they deserved to die as that creature did; but carried in it a tacit acknowledgment and confession of their own guilt; and the whole was an handwriting of ordinances against them. Moreover, the law being called a schoolmaster, shows that the use of it was but temporary, and its duration but for a time; children are not always to be under, nor designed to be always under a schoolmaster, no longer than till they are come to a proper age for greater business and higher exercises of life; so the law was to continue, and did continue, to be of this use and service.
from Meyers NT commentary
that the law prepared those belonging to it for the future reception of Christian salvation (justification by faith) in such a manner that, by virtue of the principle of sin which it excited, it continually brought about and promoted transgressions (Galatians 3:19; Romans 7:5 ff.), thereby held the people in moral bondage (in the φρουρά, Galatians 3:23), and by producing at the same time the acknowledgment of sin (Romans 3:20) powerfully brought home to the heart (Romans 7:24) the sense of guilt and of the need of redemption from the divine wrath (Romans 4:15),—a redemption which, with our natural moral impotence, was not possible by means of the law itself (Romans 3:19 f., Romans 8:3)
from Matthew Henry
And as ministers are to set an example, others must follow them, as far as they follow Christ in faith and practice. Christians may mistake and differ in their views, but Christ and Christian truth are the same yesterday, to-day, and for ever. Whenever the gospel is effectual, it comes not in word only, but also in power, by the Holy Spirit, quickening dead sinners, delivering persons from the slavery of sin and Satan, renewing them both inwardly and outwardly, and comforting, strengthening, and establishing the saints, which cannot be done by the persuasive language of men, but by the power of God
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
The law of Moses is for our education, though we are not "under" it, as we are of the New Covenant. Yet being under the New does not take the place of how we learned about God and how we came to Christ. We are so blessed we are under grace and without knowing the Old, can not truly appreciate the new, in my opinion.
We have some are stopping once we have accepted Christ hence we no longer need the law and some are saying we need the law to continue on and bring others to Christ which can not be done without the law because that is what brings us to Christ in the first place. So one side is hearing "we need the law still" because we are going out to teach, and the other side is hearing "we don't need the law" because we have come to Christ. Some are hearing the law is to be followed meaning "we have been to school and been disciplined, and acknowledge the teachings changed us forever in that we learned what God wants" and some are hearing "we only look to Christ, and we take what we have learned though it has no power over us, and we freely walk in the love of Christ. Which if everyone came out of the same school, it is just the way it is all worded, yet the meanings in the end would be the same. In other words we are all saying the same thing in different ways. Or I could be wrong because I only understand my side which is "acknowledging the law is how I learned, and therefore how I teach so that it can't be "done away" with, even though I have come to Christ" and any words that suggest it void in any fashion, just flat out bothers me.
The school master brought us to Christ. How? By watching over us as we were but children in the Word.
The word schoolmaster is Strongs #3807 paidagógos a boy's guardian or tutor, a slave who had charge of the life and morals of the boys of a family, not strictly a teacher.
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paidagōgós (from 3816 /país, "a child under development by strict instruction") – properly, a legally appointed overseer, authorized to train (bring) up a child by administering discipline, chastisement, and instruction, i.e. doing what was necessary to promote development.
3807 (paidagōgos) is used of the role of the Law (OT), especially the necessary "letter" (foundation, technicalities) needed to establish the doctrines of salvation, grace, faith, etc.
Can we be brought to Christ without the law? If faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God, then once we ourselves have come to Christ, we are "freed" of our schoolmaster, (we have learned our lessons) where are we to go? Spread the Word to the lost of the world. So, we go out, find the lost, teach and/or bring them to the schoolmaster, they hear the word, realize they are sinners, unable to save themselves, and now, knowing the only way to be saved is through Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour, and they come to Christ, "freed" of the schoolmaster etc.
What does the "law" teach us besides we are sinners and have need for a "Saviour"? How are we to become "disciples" ourselves?
Moral discipline, guidance and training, knowledge and understanding
How to form our character
To restrain from evil and temptation
What is to be done and to be avoided
What is righteousness and what is not
The nature of sin, its demerit and consequences
To prepare us so that we would be ready to be "taught" by Jesus
It condemns and thus prepares to welcome the offer of pardon through a Redeemer.
For our duty to God and men
It still does this, today
The law was our schoolmaster unto Christ, so the law is the schoolmaster unto Christ for those who are just being found.
from Gills exposition
The ceremonial law gave them some hints of the Gospel scheme, and the way of salvation by Christ, but in a manner suited to their estate of childhood; by sights and shows, by types and figures, by rites and ceremonies, by shadows and sacrifices; it taught them by divers washings the pollution of their nature, their need of the blood of Christ to cleanse from all sin; by circumcision, the necessity of regeneration, and the internal circumcision of the heart; by the passover, the daily sacrifice and other offerings, the doctrines of redemption, satisfaction, and atonement; and by the brazen serpent, the necessity of looking to Christ for life and salvation, and by various other things in that branch of the legal economy: but besides the instruction the law gave, it made use of discipline as a schoolmaster does; it kept a strict eye and hand over them, and them close to the performance of their duty; and restrained them from many things their inclinations led them to, threatening them with death in case of disobedience, and inflicting its penalties on delinquents; hence they that were under its discipline, The ceremonial law gave them some hints of the Gospel scheme, and the way of salvation by Christ, but in a manner suited to their estate of childhood; by sights and shows, by types and figures, by rites and ceremonies, by shadows and sacrifices; it taught them by divers washings the pollution of their nature, their need of the blood of Christ to cleanse from all sin; by circumcision, the necessity of regeneration, and the internal circumcision of the heart; by the passover, the daily sacrifice and other offerings, the doctrines of redemption, satisfaction, and atonement; and by the brazen serpent, the necessity of looking to Christ for life and salvation, and by various other things in that branch of the legal economy: but besides the instruction the law gave, it made use of discipline as a schoolmaster does; it kept a strict eye and hand over them, and them close to the performance of their duty; and restrained them from many things their inclinations led them to, threatening them with death in case of disobedience, and inflicting its penalties on delinquents; hence they that were under its discipline, were through fear of death it threatened them with, all their time subject to bondage: even the ceremonial law had something awful and tremendous in it; every beast that was slain in sacrifice was not only an instruction to them that they deserved to die as that creature did; but carried in it a tacit acknowledgment and confession of their own guilt; and the whole was an handwriting of ordinances against them. Moreover, the law being called a schoolmaster, shows that the use of it was but temporary, and its duration but for a time; children are not always to be under, nor designed to be always under a schoolmaster, no longer than till they are come to a proper age for greater business and higher exercises of life; so the law was to continue, and did continue, to be of this use and service.
from Meyers NT commentary
that the law prepared those belonging to it for the future reception of Christian salvation (justification by faith) in such a manner that, by virtue of the principle of sin which it excited, it continually brought about and promoted transgressions (Galatians 3:19; Romans 7:5 ff.), thereby held the people in moral bondage (in the φρουρά, Galatians 3:23), and by producing at the same time the acknowledgment of sin (Romans 3:20) powerfully brought home to the heart (Romans 7:24) the sense of guilt and of the need of redemption from the divine wrath (Romans 4:15),—a redemption which, with our natural moral impotence, was not possible by means of the law itself (Romans 3:19 f., Romans 8:3)
from Matthew Henry
And as ministers are to set an example, others must follow them, as far as they follow Christ in faith and practice. Christians may mistake and differ in their views, but Christ and Christian truth are the same yesterday, to-day, and for ever. Whenever the gospel is effectual, it comes not in word only, but also in power, by the Holy Spirit, quickening dead sinners, delivering persons from the slavery of sin and Satan, renewing them both inwardly and outwardly, and comforting, strengthening, and establishing the saints, which cannot be done by the persuasive language of men, but by the power of God
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
The law of Moses is for our education, though we are not "under" it, as we are of the New Covenant. Yet being under the New does not take the place of how we learned about God and how we came to Christ. We are so blessed we are under grace and without knowing the Old, can not truly appreciate the new, in my opinion.
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Thayers - a guide and guardian of boys. Among the Greeks and Romans the name was applied to trustworthy slaves who were charged with the duty of supervising the life and morals of boys belonging to the better class. The boys were not allowed so much as to step out of the house without them before arriving at the age of manhood;
where the Mosaic law is likened to a tutor because it arouses the consciousness of sin, and is called παιδαγωγός εἰς Χριστόν, i. e. preparing the soul for Christ, because those who have learned by experience with the law that they are not and cannot be commended to God by their works, welcome the more eagerly the hope of salvation offered them through the death and resurrection of Christ, the Son of God.
where the Mosaic law is likened to a tutor because it arouses the consciousness of sin, and is called παιδαγωγός εἰς Χριστόν, i. e. preparing the soul for Christ, because those who have learned by experience with the law that they are not and cannot be commended to God by their works, welcome the more eagerly the hope of salvation offered them through the death and resurrection of Christ, the Son of God.