Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[Guojing]

I think the flesh is the vessel that we are in during the trial:

Psalms 11:4-5, " 4 The LORD is in his holy temple; the LORD's throne is in heaven; his eyes see, his eyelids test the children of man. 5 The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

Are you disagreeing that the flesh in us is stirred by the Law into sin?

 

[gb9]

SO Hebrews 7. Levitical priesthood is no more, Jesus is High Priest, the law is not mediated by Him.

As you said "red" letters above all:

Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’

and Jesus says:

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void."

you did not address anything I posted. anything on the Mount of Transfiguration experience ??

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Are you disagreeing that the flesh in us is stirred by the Law into sin?

I said this 2 times already. The Law does not make people want to sin. Satan's influence and peoples own desires do.

James 1:12-18, " 12 Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

you did not address anything I posted. anything on the Mount of Transfiguration experience ??

Actually I did and agreed, Jesus is the one to hear, I post a supporting verse. Acts 3:22-23.

If you have and exact question you would have to ask that question.

 

[Guojing]

I said this 2 times already. The Law does not make people want to sin. Satan's influence and peoples own desires do.

James 1:12-18, " 12 Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

I see, since you don’t agree that the law stirs our flesh into sin, naturally you will have a different perspective about the role of the law for Christians. Okay then .

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

I see, since you don’t agree that the law stirs our flesh into sin, naturally you will have a different perspective about the role of the law for Christians. Okay then .

You appear to see the law as a stumbling block.

Psalms 119:164-167, " 164 Seven times a day I praise you for your righteous rules. 165 Abundant peace have those loving Your law, And they have no stumbling-block. . 166 I hope for your salvation, O LORD, and I do your commandments. 167 My soul keeps your testimonies; I love them exceedingly.

I do not.

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[DeighAnn]

and what is doing right? manifesting the fruits of the Sprit. against these their is no Law.

in them is no Sabbath keeping. that is why you judeaizers push the Law instead of the Fruits of the Sprit.

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors not to the flesh to live after the flesh.
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body ye shall live.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the sons of God.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, HATRED, variance, emulations, wrath, STRIFE, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. If there is no law for these, is there law for those listed above them?
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

 

[Guojing]

You appear to see the law as a stumbling block.

Psalms 119:164-167, " 164 Seven times a day I praise you for your righteous rules. 165 Abundant peace have those loving Your law, And they have no stumbling-block. . 166 I hope for your salvation, O LORD, and I do your commandments. 167 My soul keeps your testimonies; I love them exceedingly.

I do not.

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

What Paul taught us about the role of the Law in our lives now

Gals 3: 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 Tim 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

What Paul taught us about the role of the Law in our lives now

Gals 3: 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 Tim 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

What Jesus taught us about the role of the law in our lives now:

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Matthew 5:17-20, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

What Paul taught us about the role of the Law in our lives now

Gals 3: 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

1 Tim 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

HMm Paul aslo said this:

Romans 8:5-8, " 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Guojing]

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”



What Jesus taught us about the role of the law in our lives now:

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Matthew 5:17-20, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”

Yes, one doctrine is for ages past, the other doctrine is for the age to come.

But now (a favorite expression of Paul), we are in Romans-Philemon.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away.”

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

What Jesus taught us about the role of the law in our lives now:

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Matthew 5:17-20, " 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 22:14-15, " 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!”

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away.”

Yes, one doctrine is for ages past, the other doctrine is for the age to come.

But now (a favorite expression of Paul), we are in Romans-Philemon.

Do you just make this stuff up, because you continually contradict what the King says:

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away.”

 

[Guojing]

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away.”



Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away.”



Do you just make this stuff up, because you continually contradict what the King says:

Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away.”

He also said.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. John 16:12

Paul's words are the words of the ascended Christ to us.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

He also said.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. John 16:12

Paul's words are the words of the ascended Christ to us.

Wrong again, it was the book of "Revelation":

Revelation 1:1-3, " 1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near."

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

2 John 1:9-11, " 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

 

[Guojing]

2 John 1:9-11, " 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

Anyway, like the never ending debate on whether water baptism is required for salvation now, we will keep ping ponging between different verses that support our different beliefs, so let us agree to disagree here.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OK, I see what you mean now, Terms are used in so many different ways by different people it's better to be clear, I have noticed that in my own wording.

SO I wouldn't say that assessment is wholly true. Because Israyl many times worshipped other gods, that not trying to keep the law with one's own ability that is forsaking the Creator andworshipping foolishness. Alsom from about 500 years before Jesus all the way until today much of Israelites kept man made laws, this is not trying to follow the law with one's ability, this is rejecting God's law and making your own. So the premise you set I believe is false. However, I will still answer; I think as Jer 31, Ez 36 and other verses say God changes our heart to love His laws and walk in them. But most people have not had this chage and hate you for even saying the forbidden word.... laws! Now once the heart change has happened we still are faced with trials and decisions in that we have to shoose His way or not. The key is IMO to focus on Jesus and pray for strength, and if we choose right, all glory to God.

Before I get accused by anyone for saying this, ask yourself does God force you to do right? No He empowers us and guides us. All glory to GOd!

That last statement says it all

We can not do it by our power, we do it with Gods power

How? By doing it the way Jesus did, the power of love

A man who loves his wife does not need to be told do not commit adultry, the thought would never cross his mind. And if he is tempted, out of his love for God and wife will overcome (no need to be told the law it has no bearing)

Thats the power of love

If a man does not love his wife, when tempted, the command do not commit adultry is not going to really help him, it may for awhile, but as long as that temptation is there he is at risk, and most likely if it continues, he will fail. Because the power of the law is not enough.

It was never t made to help keep us from sin, it was made to probe we are sinners

The israel you spoke of Israel because they did not love god, they wanted god and the false gods so they could be like the heathen. Thats why they were called adulterers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You seem to be as judgmental as the rest of your group.

So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power. 1 Corinthians 4:1-21

do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Romans 11:18-22

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17-18

Here's Paul's questions;

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31

What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:3-4

Jesus asked,

“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46

And instructed us to...

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:19-20

...the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Romans 8:1-17

Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:13

Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4,7-12

"Away from me, you workers of iniquity/lawlessness."

The master's word/s is a law to His servants written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

Glory be to God!

Thanks

Faith upholds or establishes the law

What is it with you all that this is hard to comprehend?

And ps, you should look to your own group and their attacks before you try to blame another group

 

[eternally-gratefull]

SO Hebrews 7. Levitical priesthood is no more, Jesus is High Priest, the law is not mediated by Him.

As you said "red" letters above all:

Acts 3:22-23, " 22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’

and Jesus says:

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void."

Yep

As long as their remains unbelievers, the law will still have a purpose

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors not to the flesh to live after the flesh.
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body ye shall live.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the sons of God.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, HATRED, variance, emulations, wrath, STRIFE, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. If there is no law for these, is there law for those listed above them?
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Gal 5 is paul telling us if we do those things, we will not break the first list, thus, there is no law which can overcome those things