Galatian Conundrums
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Here is acts 10
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
So we see the same revelation given to paul was also given to peter
There is no 2 gospel mess.
You made it up
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
So we see the same revelation given to paul was also given to peter
There is no 2 gospel mess.
You made it up
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
According to Paul’s gospel Christ died willingly in the place of sinners.
According to Peter he died because he was slain by certain Jews.
Is Peter preaching the same good news as Paul? Could it be that Peter does not yet understand the mystery of the cross?
Look, I get it that you disagree with me and you are never going to change your mind. I am just amused why you cannot understand why others view it differently from you.
Is it really that difficult for you to be more open minded?
But there were many Romans, Greeks, Edomites, etc IN Israel
SO saying no gentiles bc in Jerusalem, Im not buying that. I have read alot of history of the time.
Finally none of us know there day to day activities, to act like you do is nonsense. Respectfully, as we are having a Bible discussion. But to me that is fact, none of us were there and what I mentioned above.
SO saying no gentiles bc in Jerusalem, Im not buying that. I have read alot of history of the time.
Finally none of us know there day to day activities, to act like you do is nonsense. Respectfully, as we are having a Bible discussion. But to me that is fact, none of us were there and what I mentioned above.
Thus, you do agree that both of us are arguing from silence correct?
We can conclude that Luke had no record of the 12 ever preaching to any Gentiles, only Peter preached ONCE to Cornelius, when he expressed great reluctance to go.
Even after he was astonished that God is actually saving Gentiles, there is no further record by Luke of him going to ANY Gentile after that.
Then we have Galatians 2:9 where Paul wrote Peter agreed to restrict his ministry only to the Jews.
You agree with all those scripture?
We can conclude that Luke had no record of the 12 ever preaching to any Gentiles, only Peter preached ONCE to Cornelius, when he expressed great reluctance to go.
Even after he was astonished that God is actually saving Gentiles, there is no further record by Luke of him going to ANY Gentile after that.
Then we have Galatians 2:9 where Paul wrote Peter agreed to restrict his ministry only to the Jews.
You agree with all those scripture?
As I keep saying, I am not saying they did or did not. I am saying Jesus told them to preach to gentiles, you are the one claiming to know exactly what they did or did not do every day.
Except Mat 28 and Acts 10 tells Peter to go to gentiles and Peter himself says he was sent to gentiles in Acts 15:
Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."
SO we have Jesus (Mat 28), the holy SPirit (Acts 10) and Peter (Acts 15) all saying Peter was sent to gentiles.
But Paul says differently:
Galatians 2:7-9, " 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
but Paul says he is not lying so it's ok;
1Timothy 2:7, "For this reason I was appointed to be an announcer, an apostle, and a faithful and true teacher of the gentiles. I am telling you the truth. I am not lying."
Except Mat 28 and Acts 10 tells Peter to go to gentiles and Peter himself says he was sent to gentiles in Acts 15:
Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."
SO we have Jesus (Mat 28), the holy SPirit (Acts 10) and Peter (Acts 15) all saying Peter was sent to gentiles.
But Paul says differently:
Galatians 2:7-9, " 7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised 8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
but Paul says he is not lying so it's ok;
1Timothy 2:7, "For this reason I was appointed to be an announcer, an apostle, and a faithful and true teacher of the gentiles. I am telling you the truth. I am not lying."
Jesus is the way!
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."
John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”
John 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."
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Got a verse that says that?
or did you just make that up? Because their names are on the foundations of the kingdom
Revelation 21:14, "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."
Seems to me they did their job.
Peter was martyred in Rome about 66 AD, during the persecution under Emperor Nero.Crucified, upside down at his request, because he did not feel he was worthy to die in the same manner as the Messiah.
Andrew went to the "Mand of the Man-Eaters," in what is in modern times Russia. Christians there he was the first to bring the gospel to their land. He also preached in Asia Minor, modern-day Turkey, and in Greece, where he is said to have been crucified.
Thomas was probably most active in the area east of Syria. Tradition has him preaching as far east as India, where the ancient Marthoma Christians revere him as their founder. They claim that he died there when pierced through with the spears of four soldiers.
Philip possibly had a powerful ministry in Carthage in North Africa and then in Asia Minor, where he converted the wife of a Roman proconsul. In retaliation the proconsul had Philip arrested and cruelly put to death.
Matthew the tax collector and writer of a Gospel, ministered in Persia and Ethiopia. Some of the oldest reports say he was not martyred, while others say he was stabbed to death in Ethiopia.
Bartholomew had widespread missionary travels attributed to him by tradition: to India with Thomas, back to Armenia, and also to Ethiopia and Southern Arabia. There are various accounts of how he met his death as a martyr for the gospel.
James the son of Alpheus, is one of at least three James referred to in the New Testament. There is some confusion as to which is which, but this James is reckoned to have ministered in Syria. The Jewish historian Josephus reported that he was stoned and then clubbed to death.
Simon the Zealot so the story goes, ministered in Persia and was killed after refusing to sacrifice to the sun god.
Matthais was the apostle chosen to replace Judas. Tradition sends him to Syria with Andrew and to death by burning.
John is the only one of the company generally thought to have died a natural death from old age. He was the leader of the church in the Ephesus area and is said to have taken care of Mary the mother of Jesus in his home. During Domitian's persecution in the middle 90's, he was exiled to the island of Patmos. There he is credited with writing the last book of the New Testament--the Revelation.
or did you just make that up? Because their names are on the foundations of the kingdom
Revelation 21:14, "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."
Seems to me they did their job.
Peter was martyred in Rome about 66 AD, during the persecution under Emperor Nero.Crucified, upside down at his request, because he did not feel he was worthy to die in the same manner as the Messiah.
Andrew went to the "Mand of the Man-Eaters," in what is in modern times Russia. Christians there he was the first to bring the gospel to their land. He also preached in Asia Minor, modern-day Turkey, and in Greece, where he is said to have been crucified.
Thomas was probably most active in the area east of Syria. Tradition has him preaching as far east as India, where the ancient Marthoma Christians revere him as their founder. They claim that he died there when pierced through with the spears of four soldiers.
Philip possibly had a powerful ministry in Carthage in North Africa and then in Asia Minor, where he converted the wife of a Roman proconsul. In retaliation the proconsul had Philip arrested and cruelly put to death.
Matthew the tax collector and writer of a Gospel, ministered in Persia and Ethiopia. Some of the oldest reports say he was not martyred, while others say he was stabbed to death in Ethiopia.
Bartholomew had widespread missionary travels attributed to him by tradition: to India with Thomas, back to Armenia, and also to Ethiopia and Southern Arabia. There are various accounts of how he met his death as a martyr for the gospel.
James the son of Alpheus, is one of at least three James referred to in the New Testament. There is some confusion as to which is which, but this James is reckoned to have ministered in Syria. The Jewish historian Josephus reported that he was stoned and then clubbed to death.
Simon the Zealot so the story goes, ministered in Persia and was killed after refusing to sacrifice to the sun god.
Matthais was the apostle chosen to replace Judas. Tradition sends him to Syria with Andrew and to death by burning.
John is the only one of the company generally thought to have died a natural death from old age. He was the leader of the church in the Ephesus area and is said to have taken care of Mary the mother of Jesus in his home. During Domitian's persecution in the middle 90's, he was exiled to the island of Patmos. There he is credited with writing the last book of the New Testament--the Revelation.
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even if and that if does not actually exist, but even IF there was speculation that Peter and the other apostles never converted or preached to Gentiles, that would get shot down as one progresses through the NT
however it is more than plain just reading the beginning chapters of Acts that is not so
you have to be under delusion and utterly deceived to continue to say otherwise
to me, I really don't care at this point what those 2 believe
it's obvious their mission in life is so dissention and twist scripture
shake the dust already.
however it is more than plain just reading the beginning chapters of Acts that is not so
you have to be under delusion and utterly deceived to continue to say otherwise
to me, I really don't care at this point what those 2 believe
it's obvious their mission in life is so dissention and twist scripture
shake the dust already.
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""Guojing said:
According to Paul’s gospel Christ died willingly in the place of sinners.
According to Peter he died because he was slain by certain Jews.""
Lets see what paul said
1 thes 2
: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
1 cor 2
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
You were saying
According to Paul’s gospel Christ died willingly in the place of sinners.
According to Peter he died because he was slain by certain Jews.""
Lets see what paul said
1 thes 2
: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
1 cor 2
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
You were saying