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Tit 3:4 (KJV) But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 (KJV) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 (KJV) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
The appearance of the kindness and love of God came by:
- Saving us.
- The washing of regeneration.
- Renewing of the Holy Ghost.
That means that salvation and the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Ghost are not the same and I would argue that they don’t come at the same time based on what I’ve seen take place in my own life.
I was saved immediately, but the regeneration in my life took quite a while as did the renewing of my mind by the Holy Ghost.
It was fun, met a couple of famous people and listened to concerts all day. Nobody big while I was there but the Foo Fighters performed last night (would’ve like to have seen that one) then after I left Hall and Oats performed and then Robert Plant after them (would like to see that one too) but I was so tired that I had to call it a day at seven.
Have to work it again tomorrow and ZZ Top and Zach Brown band are performing.
It sounds like the washing of regeneration could be that work the Holy Spirit does in making a believer a new person and working in the heart to make one more Christ-like. I am not completely sure on this but that is the impression I get especially with the word washing in front of the word regeneration.
Washing is a “bread crumb” that God left us and that actually tells us what regeneration means.
Eph 5:26 (KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
That “bread crumb” is what God used to make understand EXACTLY what regeneration means.
Washing is a “bread crumb” that God left us and that actually tells us what regeneration means.
Eph 5:26 (KJV) That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
That “bread crumb” is what God used to make understand EXACTLY what regeneration means.
I like that God is the one who does the sanctifying work. It is a comforting thought to think that I don't do the washing but he does. It is a work of the Lord Jesus. What he has purposed for his church, surely he will do it.
Numbers 23:19( KJV ): "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"
According to Titus the regeneration started when Jesus came and brought salvation, regeneration, and the Holy Spirit. So what does that tell us about when Christ sat in the throne of his glory?
Mat 19:28 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
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Look at how the newer translations completely changed the meaning of verse 5.
Titus 3:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
Titus 3:5 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Titus 3:5 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
5 He saved us—
not by works of righteousness that we had done,
but according to His mercy,
through the washing of regeneration
and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
With just a few subtle word changes and word rearrangements the TRUE meaning of the verse is lost and says something completely different.
Is it any wonder why other people can’t see what I’m trying to show them?
Look at how the newer translations completely changed the meaning of verse 5.
Titus 3:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
Titus 3:5 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Titus 3:5 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
5 He saved us—
not by works of righteousness that we had done,
but according to His mercy,
through the washing of regeneration
and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
With just a few subtle word changes and word rearrangements the TRUE meaning of the verse is lost and says something completely different.
Is it any wonder why other people can’t see what I’m trying to show them?
Most of us Value the HOLMAN'S Illustrated BIBLE Dictionary, and Illustrated Bible Dictionary.
You want commentaries, I will provide that too:
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Commentary on Titus 3:5
God saved us by the washing of regeneration. Conversion is really a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), and here that new creation is presented under the figure of a bath. It is the same figure used by the Lord Jesus when He taught the disciples that there is only one bath of regeneration but many necessary cleansings from defilement (John 13:10). That bath of regeneration has nothing to do with baptism. It is not a bodily cleansing by water, but a moral cleansing by the word of God (John 15:3). Baptism is not even a symbol of this bath; it rather depicts burial with Christ into death (Rom. 6:4).
Our new birth is also spoken of as a renewing of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of God brings about a marvelous transformation—not putting new clothes on the old man, but putting a new man in the clothes! The Holy Spirit is the Agent in regeneration and the word of God is the instrument.
Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding. (END QUOTE)
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Commentary on Titus 3:5
2. Sound Doctrine (3:5-11)
3:5 not by works. Salvation has never been by works (see Eph. 2:8, 9; cf. Rom. 3:19-28.) according to His mercy. Cf. Ephesians 2:4; 1 Timothy 1:13; 1 Peter 1:3; 2:10. washing of regeneration. See notes on Ezekiel 36:25-31; Ephesians 5:26, 27; James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23. Salvation brings divine cleansing from sin and the gift of a new, Spirit-generated, Spirit-empowered, and Spirit-protected life as God’s own children and heirs (v. 7). This is the new birth (cf. John 3:5; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1). renewing of the Holy Spirit. Cf. Romans 8:2. He is the agent of the “working of regeneration.”
The MacArthur Bible Commentary. (END QUOTE)
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COMMENTARY on Titus 3:4-5
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done." Verse 3 gave us a picture of how we were before we came to know Christ. It is important to understand that becoming a Christian doesn't mean just turning over a new leaf -- you will find yourself writing on the new leaf the same things that you wrote on the old leaf. Making New Year's resolutions and promising to do better doesn't make you a Christian. Nor are you saved on the basis of works of righteousness, good deeds, which you have done.
"But according to his mercy he saved us." Because Christ died for us and paid the penalty for our sins, God is prepared to extend mercy to us; it is according to His mercy that He saved us. And He is rich in mercy, which means He has plenty of it. Whoever you are, He can save you today because Christ died for you. He paid the penalty and makes over to you His righteousness!
"By the washing of regeneration." "Washing" means laver -- it is the laver of regeneration. In the Old Testament the laver, which stood in the court of the tabernacle and later the temple, represented this.
This washing of regeneration is what the Lord was speaking about in the third chapter of John: "...Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5). The water represents the Word of God -- the Bible will wash you. It has a sanctifying power, a cleansing power. We are cleansed by the Word of God. The Holy Spirit uses the Word of God -- "born of water and of the Spirit." That is the way we are born again.
"And renewing of the Holy Ghost" -- He regenerates us.
Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee. (END QUOTE)
I notice the NIV is different but the others sound the same except the word order.
Yup that new KJV really DID change the Tyndale version, NOT GOOD! I'll stick to the Tyndale instead of that modern KJV.
The translators know that regeneration and new birth are the same thing, so the texts are not different at all
Pallingenessia (sic) is a compound word combining two Greek words palin and a form of the word genesis. Palin means again or anew, and genesis means birth. Notice the second part of the compound is same word as the first book of the Bible
So it is the new birth or new creation
Just like what it says in the passages I quoted yesterday
God saved us by washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit. Notice it is in the past tense and notice that regeneration and renewal are means that God uses to save us, as indicated by the preposition “by”
Titus 3:5 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit
The appearance of the kindness and love of God came by:
- Saving us.
- What is the second thing that shows the appearance of the love of God?
- What is the third thing that shows the appearance of the love of God?
Titus 3:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
The appearance of the kindness and love of God came by:
- Saving us.
- He washed us with the washing of regeneration. (not regular water, living water)
- He renewed us with the renewing of the Holy Ghost.
Two VERY DIFFERENT gospels. The HSCB says exactly the same thing as the NASB but the wording is slightly different.
The context of Titus 3 is the manifestation of God's love. Which gospel is true, the KJV OR the NAASB/HSCB?
Titus 3:5 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
5 He saved us—
not by works of righteousness that we had done,
but according to His mercy,
through the washing of regeneration
and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
The appearance of the kindness and love of God came by:
- Saving us.
- What is the second thing that shows the appearance of the love of God?
- What is the third thing that shows the appearance of the love of God?
Titus 3:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
The appearance of the kindness and love of God came by:
- Saving us.
- He washed us with the washing of regeneration. (not regular water, living water)
- He renewed us with the renewing of the Holy Ghost.
Two VERY DIFFERENT gospels. The HSCB says exactly the same thing as the NASB but the wording is slightly different.
The context of Titus 3 is the manifestation of God's love. Which gospel is true, the KJV OR the NAASB/HSCB?
Breakdown of paligenesia, regeneration.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3824&t=KJV
paligenesia is a compound of two greek words, "palin" and "genesis"
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G3825&t=KJV
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1078&t=KJV
Maybe you missed it, because I did post it earlier.
Regeneration comes from the washing of the word of God.
OK, good. You understand the MEANS of regeneration, but not yet the meaning of regeneration.
Now read this, if you would please...this will explain precisely what regeneration means
@KJV1611
Breakdown of paligenesia, regeneration.
παλιγγενεσία
Transliteration
paliggenesia
Pronunciation
pä-lēn-ge-ne-sē'-ä (Key)
Part of Speech
feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From πάλιν (G3825) and γένεσις (G1078)
Greek Inflections of παλιγγενεσία [?]
mGNT
2x in 2 unique form(s) TR
2x in 2 unique form(s) LXX
0x in 0 unique form(s)
παλιγγενεσίᾳ — 1x
παλιγγενεσίας — 1x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 1:686,117
Trench's Synonyms: xviii. παλιγγενεσία, ἀνακαίνωσις.
KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G3824 in the following manner: regeneration (2x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
παλιγγενεσία palingenesía, pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah; from G3825 and G1078; (spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act), i.e. (figuratively) spiritual renovation; specially, Messianic restoration:—regeneration.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?](Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS NT 3824: παλιγγενεσία
παλιγγενεσία (T WH παλιγγενεσία (cf. Tdf. Proleg., p. 77 bottom)), παλιγγενεσίας, ἡ (πάλιν and γένεσις), properly, new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation (see Halm on Cicero, pro Sest. § 140), Vulg. and Augustineregeneratio; hence, "moral renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better" (effected in baptism (cf. references under the word βάπτισμα, 3)): Titus 3:5 (cf. the commentaries at the passage (especially Holtzmann, where see, p. 172f for references); Weiss, Biblical Theol. especially §§ 84, 108; cf. Suicer, Thesaurus, under the word). Commonly, however, the word denotes the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as the renewal or restoration of life after death, Philo leg. ad Gaium § 41; de cherub. § 32; (de poster. Cain. § 36); Long. past. 3, 4 (2) (παλιγγενεσία ἐκ θανάτου); Lucian, encom. muscae 7; Schol. ad Sophocles Elec. 62 (Πυθαγόρας περί παλιγγενεσίας ἐτερατευετο); Plutarch, mor., p. 998 c. (i. e. de esu carn. 2:4, 4) (ὅτι χρωνται κοινοις αἱ ψυχαί σώμασιν ἐν ταῖς παλιγγενεσιαις (cf. ibid. 1:7, 5; also de Isa. et Osir. 72; de Ei quoted in Delph. 9; etc.)); the renovation of the earth after the deluge, Philo de vim Moys. ii., § 12; Clement of Rome, 1 Cor. 9, 4 [ET]; the renewal of the world to take place after its destruction by fire, as the Stoics taught, Philo (de incorrupt. mundi §§ 3, 14, 17); de round. § 15; Antoninus 11, 1 ((cf. Gataker ad loc.); Zeller, Philos. d. Griech. iii, p. 138); that signal and glorios change of all things (in heaven and earth) "for the better, that restoration of the primal and perfect condition of things which existed before the fall of our first parents," which the Jews looked for in connection with the advent of the Messiah, and which the primitive Christians expected in connection with the visible return of Jesus from heaven: Matthew 19:28 (where the Syriac correctly )tDX )MLOB [], in the new age or world); cf. Bertholdt, Christologia Judaeorum, p. 214f; Gfrörer, Jahrhundert des Heils, ii., p. 272ff; (Schürer, Neutest. Zeitgesch. § 29, 9; Weber, Altsynagog. Paläst. Theol. § 89). (Further, the word is used of Ciceros restoration to rank and fortune on his recall from exile, Cicero, ad Att. 6, 6; of the restoration of the Jewish nation after the exile, παλιγγενσια πατρίδος, Josephus, Antiquities 11, 3, 9; of the recovery of knowledge by recollection, παλιγγενεσία τῆς γνώσεως ἐστιν ἡ ἀνάμνησις, Olympiodorus quoted by Cousin in the Journal des Sarans for 1834, p. 488.) (Cf. Trench, § xviii.; Cremer, 3te Aufl. under the word.)
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Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration G3824 when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
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Tit 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, G3824 and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3824&t=KJV
paligenesia is a compound of two greek words, "palin" and "genesis"
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G3825&t=KJV
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1078&t=KJV
Breakdown of paligenesia, regeneration.
παλιγγενεσία
Transliteration
paliggenesia
Pronunciation
pä-lēn-ge-ne-sē'-ä (Key)
Part of Speech
feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From πάλιν (G3825) and γένεσις (G1078)
Greek Inflections of παλιγγενεσία [?]
mGNT
2x in 2 unique form(s) TR
2x in 2 unique form(s) LXX
0x in 0 unique form(s)
παλιγγενεσίᾳ — 1x
παλιγγενεσίας — 1x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 1:686,117
Trench's Synonyms: xviii. παλιγγενεσία, ἀνακαίνωσις.
KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G3824 in the following manner: regeneration (2x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration
- hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better. The word often used to denote the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as a renewal or restoration of life after death
- the renovation of the earth after the deluge
- the renewal of the world to take place after its destruction by fire, as the Stoics taught
- the signal and glorious change of all things (in heaven and earth) for the better, that restoration of the primal and perfect condition of things which existed before the fall of our first parents, which the Jews looked for in connection with the advent of the Messiah, and which Christians expected in connection with the visible return of Jesus from heaven.
- other uses
- of Cicero's restoration to rank and fortune on his recall from exile
- of the restoration of the Jewish nation after exile
- of the recovery of knowledge by recollection
παλιγγενεσία palingenesía, pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah; from G3825 and G1078; (spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act), i.e. (figuratively) spiritual renovation; specially, Messianic restoration:—regeneration.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?](Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS NT 3824: παλιγγενεσία
παλιγγενεσία (T WH παλιγγενεσία (cf. Tdf. Proleg., p. 77 bottom)), παλιγγενεσίας, ἡ (πάλιν and γένεσις), properly, new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation (see Halm on Cicero, pro Sest. § 140), Vulg. and Augustineregeneratio; hence, "moral renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better" (effected in baptism (cf. references under the word βάπτισμα, 3)): Titus 3:5 (cf. the commentaries at the passage (especially Holtzmann, where see, p. 172f for references); Weiss, Biblical Theol. especially §§ 84, 108; cf. Suicer, Thesaurus, under the word). Commonly, however, the word denotes the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as the renewal or restoration of life after death, Philo leg. ad Gaium § 41; de cherub. § 32; (de poster. Cain. § 36); Long. past. 3, 4 (2) (παλιγγενεσία ἐκ θανάτου); Lucian, encom. muscae 7; Schol. ad Sophocles Elec. 62 (Πυθαγόρας περί παλιγγενεσίας ἐτερατευετο); Plutarch, mor., p. 998 c. (i. e. de esu carn. 2:4, 4) (ὅτι χρωνται κοινοις αἱ ψυχαί σώμασιν ἐν ταῖς παλιγγενεσιαις (cf. ibid. 1:7, 5; also de Isa. et Osir. 72; de Ei quoted in Delph. 9; etc.)); the renovation of the earth after the deluge, Philo de vim Moys. ii., § 12; Clement of Rome, 1 Cor. 9, 4 [ET]; the renewal of the world to take place after its destruction by fire, as the Stoics taught, Philo (de incorrupt. mundi §§ 3, 14, 17); de round. § 15; Antoninus 11, 1 ((cf. Gataker ad loc.); Zeller, Philos. d. Griech. iii, p. 138); that signal and glorios change of all things (in heaven and earth) "for the better, that restoration of the primal and perfect condition of things which existed before the fall of our first parents," which the Jews looked for in connection with the advent of the Messiah, and which the primitive Christians expected in connection with the visible return of Jesus from heaven: Matthew 19:28 (where the Syriac correctly )tDX )MLOB [], in the new age or world); cf. Bertholdt, Christologia Judaeorum, p. 214f; Gfrörer, Jahrhundert des Heils, ii., p. 272ff; (Schürer, Neutest. Zeitgesch. § 29, 9; Weber, Altsynagog. Paläst. Theol. § 89). (Further, the word is used of Ciceros restoration to rank and fortune on his recall from exile, Cicero, ad Att. 6, 6; of the restoration of the Jewish nation after the exile, παλιγγενσια πατρίδος, Josephus, Antiquities 11, 3, 9; of the recovery of knowledge by recollection, παλιγγενεσία τῆς γνώσεως ἐστιν ἡ ἀνάμνησις, Olympiodorus quoted by Cousin in the Journal des Sarans for 1834, p. 488.) (Cf. Trench, § xviii.; Cremer, 3te Aufl. under the word.)
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Strong's Number G3824 matches the Greek παλιγγενεσία (paliggenesia),
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And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration G3824 when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, G3824 and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3824&t=KJV
paligenesia is a compound of two greek words, "palin" and "genesis"
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G3825&t=KJV
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1078&t=KJV
In your opinion what are those verses trying to convey, how the love of God is manifest or what regeneration means?