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Roughsoul1991 · Sep 20, 2019

Hoping this turns into a beneficial resource to the nonbelievers, the weak in faith, the evangelist or enlightening to any Christian.

What is your favorite piece of evidence or argument to prove either God to be true, the Bible, Jesus, or Christianity in general.

What is it? And can you give the best defense of that evidence for anyone who may find this thread.

1.What is it?
And
2. Can you defend it?

JaumeJ · Sep 20, 2019

Evidence for myself only. Before being given to be onv inced of Jesus by the Holy Spirit, I always knewthat something is never derived from noting. For me, that had always been a foundation for believing I was created, and never part of creating. That and a nickel will not get you a cup of coffee.

garee · Sep 20, 2019

Roughsoul1991 said:

It is that as it is written. The faith that comes from hearing God alone. It represents the mind of the revealed will of God.

We defend it the word of God the power of his might that works in us to defends us

.We put on the whole suit of his armor and keep it on. No protection for the backside.

Ephesians 6:10-18 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. ...

We have it in us but it is never to be assumed it is of us. He protects his own

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Hevosmies · Sep 20, 2019

This is a GREAT idea for a thread.

God is easy to prove, CREATION, and most people believe in God, so I will answer rather how to prove the Bible is true:

1. The Bible is true because:
-Its a book written over many centuries by 40 different authors and still keeps the story straight
-Contains ACCURATE prophecies centuries ahead, such as the birth location of Jesus and the regathering of Israel
-Archeology CONFIRMS the Bible record over and over again, people thought hittites didnt even exist well now you can study the language and the Bible was proven right
-Im too lazy to write anymore because I found this article which does a good summary of points QUICKLY: https://www.ucg.org/vertical-thought/prove-the-bible-is-true-the-easy-way

Sidenote: Christianity is true because of the RESURRECTION. The resurrection is impossible to debunk because if you say the disciples stole the body of Jesus, they wouldnt of died for such a lie nor sacrificed their entire life to such a falsehood and to do it without getting caught, its just not reasonable. If you say they were hallucinating thats fine, but when you got THAT MANY PEOPLE, eye witnesses, written record, hallucinating teh SAME THING, thats when you got to realize okay they were not hallucinating, these people gave their LIFE for the faith!

2. Can I defend it? YES. But what I know about defending ideas is, this is NOT doable in 2019 because we dont deal with facts and numbers anymore, we deal with feelings and emotions and "i believe, therefore its true". You hear people say stuff like "hahaa i aint going to hell, i dont even believe in hell" AS IF it makes a difference. Dont know how some people breath and walk at the same time! I believe the god of this world has BLINDED their minds!

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 20, 2019

Here are some good examples I use when speaking to nonbelievers or even believers in my community group who's faith is given even greater confidence.

We are not called to blind faith.

Here are a few broad examples.

The Kalam study, Ontological, teleological, archeological, biological, philosophical, historical, and forensic evidence, manuscript textual criticism, early church fathers letters, secular sources, eye witnesses, amazing 360 degree life changes once hearing or seeing the truth, testimonials, prophecies fortold in the past and recorded historical events actually took place, moral law that is transcending, space,time, and matter came into existence during in scientific language the Big Bang which means before the big bang there was no matter or natural relm. It took something from the supernatural relm that had to be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, intelligent, and personal being to choose to create. All points to the characteristics of a theistic God.

Just from secular sources, manuscripts, fragments, and early church fathers letters brings even the scholar skeptics to admit our current Bible is atleast 98% accurate to the original sources.

Christianity became true when the very real historical Jesus called Christ was crucified and from eye witness and secular sources speak of this event happening. Then something crazy happened 3 days later that gave great courage to the scared and hiding disciples that they gave their lives for claiming Jesus had risen. Something turned the middle east and Rome upside down and Christianity spread like wild fire. The early church creed almost sounded as if I dare you to investigate the still alive eye witnesses for yourselves.

The Bible has always been true and has had well than enough evidence for each generation who truthfully responds to it and goes where it actually leads.

Sources:

The Kalam: An Overview & Defense

The Ontological Argument

Convince Me There’s A God: Fine-Tuning

Archeological Evidence - Evidences of the Bible

Is God Real? The Argument for God's Existence from the Appearance of Design in Biology | Cold Case Christianity

Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability

Early Church Fathers

Did Jesus Christ Really Exist? Proving Jesus Without the Bible

The Apostles Wrote the Gospels as Eyewitness Accounts | Cold Case Christianity

Bible prophecy from Isaiah 53:4-6

C.S. Lewis, the Moral Argument for God, and the Gospel - Paul Gould

1 Cor. 15:3-4 demonstrates a creed too early for legend to corrupt.

Is the New Testament Text Reliable?

Hevosmies · Sep 20, 2019

Roughsoul1991 said:

Here are a few broad examples.

The Kalam study, Ontological, teleological, archeological, biological, philosophical, historical, and forensic evidence, manuscript textual criticism, early church fathers letters, secular sources, eye witnesses, amazing 360 degree life changes once hearing or seeing the truth, testimonials, prophecies fortold in the past and recorded historical events actually took place, moral law that is transcending, space,time, and matter came into existence during in scientific language the Big Bang which means before the big bang there was no matter or natural relm. It took something from the supernatural relm that had to be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, intelligent, and personal being to choose to create. All points to the characteristics of a theistic God.

Words I bolded are words I dont even know what they mean.

Sometimes I wonder, when I close my eyes WHY CANT I SEE!?

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 20, 2019

Hevosmies said:

A dictionary or the internet will tell you but I also included them in the sources.

JaumeJ · Sep 20, 2019

garee said:

It is that as it is written. The faith that comes from hearing God alone. It represents the mind of the revealed will of God.

We defend it the word of God the power of his might that works in us to defends us

.We put on the whole suit of his armor and keep it on. No protection for the backside.

Ephesians 6:10-18 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. ...

We have it in us but it is never to be assumed it is of us. He protects his own

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Your reminder of the Armor of God hits home even more when I hear it, especially how our armor does not cover our backs teaching me that retreating is no option. Thank you for th eloving lesson and reminder. God bless you.

Locoponydirtman · Sep 20, 2019

I think that for me, the fact that nearly all the woes of society can be attached to direct disobedience to one or more of the statutes of God according to the Bible; is a huge part of the body of evidence.

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 20, 2019

Locoponydirtman said:

This is inline with the argument from morality and how the moral law coincides on a deeper level with the written law.

Heyjude · Sep 21, 2019

Roughsoul1991 said:

Most non believers back up their view with Science. But they cannot back up their view that since the beginning, science is always changing. Science is always changing but the Truth never changes. The creation works just the same as it did in the beginning, but so called "Science Theory" changes all the time. The earths design, being a creation, has to have had a designer or it wouldn't work properly.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 1:12

Locoponydirtman · Sep 21, 2019

Roughsoul1991 said:

Yes, and the empirical evidence of the greater truth.
That man with out the guidance of God will necessarily decline into chaos, and suffer the natural consequences of his degenerate state.

Adstar · Sep 21, 2019

Roughsoul1991 said:

The Message /s contained within the Holy Bible.. Are the best evidence for God's existence.. The Message itself moves people to believe along with the moving of the Holy Spirit..

The Bible says that hearing the word of God does the work..

Romans 10: KJV
17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Those who are accepting towards the Message of God will come to believe in God by the power of the Holy Spirit..

Now there are many non-Biblical arguments for the existence of God but it is my experience that every non-Biblical argument for the existence of God can and is countered by other arguments for the Non-existence of God.. It is my conviction that God does not want to be proven in a persons mind by Non- Biblical arguments.. He has made His Word the effective means of drawing those who love His will into an eternal relationship with Him..

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 21, 2019

Adstar said:

Apologetics isnt a bad thing. It has brought people to Christ, saved the doubter, or strengthened the faith of the believers.

Nothing unbiblical about it. What the Bible says should mimic creation. Both should go hand in hand. Science looks at evidence, the evidence doesn't lie. People lie. So Science only looks at what God created and how things work. It couldn't contradict scripture because the Word is God inspired. So when a scientific example pops up in scripture it should be true in real life. Like when Jesus began to sweat blood.

For example science is only possible because of God. Science only discovers what God has created or teaches us more about the wonders of God's power and design. To speak of the evidence for Intelligent design only gives glory to God.

You must not speak to the younger generations, or the Google at your fingertips generation. The kids or even millennials like me are coming out of college with professors that taught them anti God beliefs. They look at our Sunday school teachings and laugh because we couldn't defend our beliefs. The church separated from the public arena around the 1920s and secular education took over.

We are to if asked to defend and give a reason for what we believe.

The Christian scientists, professors, pastors, and apologists we have now or within the last few decades have really put these atheist intellectuals on their toes and are so much better equipped to reaching the new generations that are so technologically advanced and information is so much quicker to obtain. If we slack up they are moving at light year pace and if we truly loved them, we be keeping right in line with them.

I do not disagree that just reading the word of God isnt soul moving. All I'm saying is some hearts are harder than others. And with those hardened individuals we are still told to try and reach them.

Traditional churches may be good but I for one would of never started going to church if I had to go to a traditional church.

The church should respond to the needs of the rising generations and that is what this is all about.

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 21, 2019

Locoponydirtman said:

The carnal nature, the barbarism of the days before the first tribes, the absolute anarchist in the state of absolute freedom with no boundaries only leads to self destruction both physically and spiritually.

Nehemiah6 · Sep 21, 2019

Roughsoul1991 said:

The Bible itself -- and what is contained therein -- should be sufficient proof.

12 For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. (Heb 4:12,13)

Heyjude · Sep 21, 2019

Roughsoul1991 said:

It is true what you say; peer pressure to conform to what the angry atheists think these days is heavy. Take courage to not run with the crowd.

I have no idea why they are so angry given that they believe in nothing but an ever changing science. Most of them have not been bothered to look up cutting edge science nor can answer the question "what is Intelligent Design and how can you have a design without a designer"? They look at you mouths open clearly not knowing what ID is......

I feel sorry for those more than the teachers who push this stuff on them so angry and mocking of believers as well. They are the "Rage at God" people Peter Hitchens writes of, as they seem to be almost shaking their fists at the sky .

" In the words and lyrics of Harry Nilsson " when there is no one else left to blame"

I find the non believers who are the most likely to listen are those that ask a lot of questions or even sit quietly not saying anything at all - not the ones who almost attack, laugh and mock you for what you believe. In that case, I am always happy to show them what the Gospel means as they may have just had a bad teacher in the past.

"Acts 8:31 31
And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 21, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

Your living within everything the Bible speaks of so literally everything can be used to bring glory to God as it is said...

Psalm 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

Job 12:7-10
7 “But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
8 or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you.
9 Which of all these does not know
that the hand of the Lord has done this?
10 In his hand is the life of every creature
and the breath of all mankind.

"God has, in fact, written two books, not just one. Of course, we are all familiar with the first book he wrote, namely Scripture. But he has written a second book called creation.

Sir Francis Bacon- His works are credited with developing the scientific method.

The unseen laws are just as evident as the written laws. The teachings are just as powerful. As even God grilled Job on the wonders of creation and how everything testifies about God.

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 21, 2019

Heyjude said:

Agreed. Also some folks you have to be prepared to just shake the dust off and walk away or to not throw your Pearls in among swine. Sometimes after you told the truth, the best question to ask is if Christianity was true, would you follow it?

If they say no then you know your dealing with someone who isnt searching for truth. Their soil hasn't been tilled enough for a planter to prepare to plant.

But in God's will you never know which argument may start tilling unto their beliefs and shaping the beliefs into something ready for the seeds of truth from future planters.

Many are angry due to political reasons. I was debating one homosexual atheist for months. We had really good discussions. But he didn't care what I worshipped as long as it didn't hurt others.

But politically they do not like moral legislation that pushes against their lifestyles. And God's Word directly does that. Some ignorantly judge all religion as bad from the acts that religious radicals have committed. Or they hate the hypocrisy within the church or the lack of love.

Try it sometime. Pretend to be a atheist in a Christian chat, or even local church small group. Have questions, be respectful but dont make it easy. Act like a atheist who has the hard questions and is struggling to understand.

They often do get very emotional responses especially when the Christian doesn't know how to answer the hard questions and the atheist often can repeat scripture back at you that you have never even thought about but they see it as God supported slavery or God has a law that caused the abortion of children if the wife was unfaithful, etc.

I mean if we send our kids to college and the college professor asks them so why so and so about God is true? And they reply because God says it is or because the Bible says it is. They will be laughed out the room. Was what they said true? Well yes. But the atheist see God as something like Zues and the Bible just as true as the Iliad. The apologetic evidences mimics both God and reality and they can easily make the materialist's arguments look faulty and illogical if they are prepared.

Locoponydirtman · Sep 21, 2019

Roughsoul1991 said:

I often use as an example, single motherhood and it's link to poverty and crime, STDs, and abortion, as a result of the sexual revolution in violation of the admonishment of God in the Bible to abstain from fornication.
Also the Hindu cow, as a result of this idolatry the cows are riddled with tuberculosis and other diseases and are a public health hazard.

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