Is that a metaphor or did Paul literally die?
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was it the law that caused death
or
sin that caused death?
Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Is that a metaphor or did Paul literally die?
and
was it the law that caused death
or
sin that caused death?
Sin is not imputed when there is no law.
So it’s the law that came in first, before sin could happen, then death came in.
How does one "work" the law? Is it by the "work" or by the "law"
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God the powers that be are ordained of God.
Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same
Now, I know what is good to God, having studied with the schoolmaster His laws, if I then do good am I working the law?
No, I'm not suggesting Paul "literally" died at that point.
But I think we should be mindful of (as I've pointed out before):
"Now the Law entered so that [the] trespass might abound; but where [the] sin abounded […]" Romans 5:20
But I think we should be mindful of (as I've pointed out before):
"Now the Law entered so that [the] trespass might abound; but where [the] sin abounded […]" Romans 5:20
Actually Satan loves the law because it strengthens sin. (1 Cor 15:56). What he hates is grace.
He knows that, because of our flesh, anytime we try to keep the law, sin ultimately emerges.
It was how he tempted Eve, and then Adam subsequently, with disobeying God, with the Law. So Satan definitely love the Law. Without the law, there will be no sin imputed to us.
Let us praise Him togather!
Psalms 72:18-19, " 18 Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, who alone does wondrous things. 19 Blessed be his glorious name forever; may the whole earth be filled with his glory! Amen and Amen!
What???? Satan doe not love the righteous commands of God....that may be the most ridiculous thing I have heard today...
Revelation 12:17, "Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea."
Daniel 7:25, " 25 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
not saying this at you, I am quoting it;
John 8:44-46, " 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me?
I doubt I ever said anything about learning obedience but frankly there is no doubt that you could learn about it from the law.
What I always say is this: the law is good for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction. (2nd Timothy 3)
It`s scripture and when you disagree with me on this you disagree with the Bible.
Well, if you'd say the BOLD ^ part like the following, I'd agree and be more aligned with what you might be attempting to say
:"For until the Law, sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed, there being no law." Romans 5:13
You must understand the mystery that was revealed only to Paul. As Gentile believers, take your church doctrine from Paul, even though yes I know that must sound like heresy to a "red letter Christian"
There is a good reason why, in the last days of Peter, he urged his Jewish brothers to get their doctrine from "Brother Paul" 2 peter 3:15, even though he himself admitted that he finds Paul's doctrine difficult to understand.
He wanted to be God himself, even before God created Adam. So no, it was way before.
Well, if you'd say the BOLD ^ part like the following, I'd agree and be more aligned with what you might be attempting to say
"For until the Law, sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed, there being no law." Romans 5:13
Yes, I should have stuck to my first paragraph.
But the point remains, death could only come in when sin was imputed to man.
Where does Peter urge ppl to adhere to Paul's doctrine?
Also Peter and all the disciples were sent to gentiles;
Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore, as you go, disciple all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you each and every day until the end of the age.”
“nations” is word #G1484 ἔθνος ethnos (eth'-nos) n., 1. a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe., 2. (specially) a foreign (non-Jewish) one, Gentiles., 3. (usually, by implication) pagan., [probably from G1486], KJV: Gentile, heathen, nation, people, Root(s): G1486
It's Paul that says they were not, even though Jesus said they were (above):
Galatians 2:7-8, “In fact, they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel for the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel for the circumcised. For the one who worked through Peter by making him an apostle to the circumcised also worked through me by sending me to the Gentiles.”
2 Peter 3:14-16, Peter was writing to the Jews, as Galatians 2:9 dictated.
Where does he urge ppl to adhere to Paul's gpospel? Seems to me he is warning ppl not to read Paul and turn to lawlessness....
2 Peter 3:14-18, " 14 Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. 15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
SO what does Paulimplying the chosen disciples are not pillars of the faith have to do with your claim?
Galatians 2:9-10, " 9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.:
Paul says the 12 were sent to Jews but Jesus sent His disciples to gentiles, it is written:
Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore, as you go, disciple all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you each and every day until the end of the age.”