Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Keeping the law does not save. By faith alone we can be righteous before God.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness.
7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
I'm not going to willfully disobey the law because i believe Jesus will graciously cover my sin. I choose to obey because i want to serve my loving Lord.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
For the same reason people don't commit Adultery, and murder i believe in keeping all 10.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness.
7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
I'm not going to willfully disobey the law because i believe Jesus will graciously cover my sin. I choose to obey because i want to serve my loving Lord.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
For the same reason people don't commit Adultery, and murder i believe in keeping all 10.
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What's funny is EG explaining Christ to a bunch of deaf people.
Then a blind guy comes in and asks "Why is this guy yelling?" "He must not understand that yelling is not the way of the gospel"
Then a blind guy comes in and asks "Why is this guy yelling?" "He must not understand that yelling is not the way of the gospel"
most people I talk to when they do not understand ask,
they do not assume, when they disagree, they explain why, then share what they see,
and when they are asked questions, they do not run, and make every excuse in the book why not to answer
and finally, when they misunderstand me, and i try to explain that to them they do not blame shift, or get defensive, or get angry, they ask for my for my forgivess (which they really did not have to do) and ask me to explain better,
and in the end, even if we do not agree, we walk away as friends.
It always appears to be the one group which seems to have an issue with understanding, i guess it is more important to be right, then understand what the other person actually believes.
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That's the problem when "dealing" with EG! It's not that many are failing to see what he sees. Many already see what he sees, and it's not a good place to be.
I don't think he can preach, or even discuss "his" truth, without exposing the "oppressive nature" of the ravening wolf, or wolves that lie just beneath the surface of his sheepskin.
This oft times occurs when dealing with "control freaks"
He thinks everyone who doesn't, or aren't persuaded by him, have just not accepted Christ.
Any advancings, or "pressing onwards" to the high calling of God, in Christ, or any "coveting earnestly" higher Spiritual gifts, or any "spiritual sacrificing/s" "acceptable to God by Christ?" (as one is confessed before the Father of Christ, as Christ is confessed before men), are, it seems to him? Just not necessary. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Round and round and round and round.
He, as well as others, are under the impression that people like myself are "denying" Christ! This is not true!
It's the "leave your cross with Jesus as you are confessed before the Father" mentality that's "really at issue."
Christ, being the High Priest of God, will take one to His Father!
What good is to come should one never "come unto the Father?"
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
What has this to do with Mosaic Law?
When the LORD gave unto Israel, the "gift" of a bountiful harvest from the earth, for sticking to their end of "the contract?"
What was Israel to do "during the harvesting?"
An "offering" of "firstfruits?"
Same thing with the "fruit of the Spirit!"
SAME THING!
A "conscious self willed offering!"
I don't think he can preach, or even discuss "his" truth, without exposing the "oppressive nature" of the ravening wolf, or wolves that lie just beneath the surface of his sheepskin.
This oft times occurs when dealing with "control freaks"
He thinks everyone who doesn't, or aren't persuaded by him, have just not accepted Christ.
Any advancings, or "pressing onwards" to the high calling of God, in Christ, or any "coveting earnestly" higher Spiritual gifts, or any "spiritual sacrificing/s" "acceptable to God by Christ?" (as one is confessed before the Father of Christ, as Christ is confessed before men), are, it seems to him? Just not necessary. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Round and round and round and round.
He, as well as others, are under the impression that people like myself are "denying" Christ! This is not true!
It's the "leave your cross with Jesus as you are confessed before the Father" mentality that's "really at issue."
Christ, being the High Priest of God, will take one to His Father!
What good is to come should one never "come unto the Father?"
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
What has this to do with Mosaic Law?
When the LORD gave unto Israel, the "gift" of a bountiful harvest from the earth, for sticking to their end of "the contract?"
What was Israel to do "during the harvesting?"
An "offering" of "firstfruits?"
Same thing with the "fruit of the Spirit!"
SAME THING!
A "conscious self willed offering!"
Masterful description/Explaination NayborBear!,
If that doesn't hit it's mark then NOTHING WILL!!
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Masterful description/Explaination NayborBear!,
If that doesn't hit it's mark then NOTHING WILL!!
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If that doesn't hit it's mark then NOTHING WILL!!
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One thing that is amazing, god sees me and so do people who love god, and they can see what is really going on here,
You still refuse to answer questions, you once again need to look in a mirror, your to busy trying to remove what you think are planks, when you can even see the specs in your own life.
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What's funny is EG explaining Christ to a bunch of deaf people.
Then a blind guy comes in and asks "Why is this guy yelling?" "He must not understand that yelling is not the way of the gospel"
Then a blind guy comes in and asks "Why is this guy yelling?" "He must not understand that yelling is not the way of the gospel"
When people try esplaining that which transpires when one presses onwards?
This:
1 Corinthians 12
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have NO NEED of you.
And yet? He and others like him DO!
It's like he, and others like him FOLLOW Paul, like Christ's Disciples FOLLOWED Christ! Not AS PAUL FOLLOWED CHRIST!
You are FREE to speak Christianity my friend! As LONG as YOU AGREE WITH ME!
Therefore EVERYTHING you do, or say? Is WRONG!
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior!
He, and others like him follow Paul's and Jesus' commandment/s to "love?" Yet, as far as "mysteries" that Paul couldn't explain? And Parables that Jesus taught in?
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
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Yanno what's sad Grandpa?
When people try esplaining that which transpires when one presses onwards?
This:
1 Corinthians 12
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have NO NEED of you.
And yet? He and others like him DO!
It's like he, and others like him FOLLOW Paul, like Christ's Disciples FOLLOWED Christ! Not AS PAUL FOLLOWED CHRIST!
You are FREE to speak Christianity my friend! As LONG as YOU AGREE WITH ME!
Therefore EVERYTHING you do, or say? Is WRONG!
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior!
He, and others like him follow Paul's and Jesus' commandment/s to "love?" Yet, as far as "mysteries" that Paul couldn't explain? And Parables that Jesus taught in?
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
When people try esplaining that which transpires when one presses onwards?
This:
1 Corinthians 12
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have NO NEED of you.
And yet? He and others like him DO!
It's like he, and others like him FOLLOW Paul, like Christ's Disciples FOLLOWED Christ! Not AS PAUL FOLLOWED CHRIST!
You are FREE to speak Christianity my friend! As LONG as YOU AGREE WITH ME!
Therefore EVERYTHING you do, or say? Is WRONG!
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior!
He, and others like him follow Paul's and Jesus' commandment/s to "love?" Yet, as far as "mysteries" that Paul couldn't explain? And Parables that Jesus taught in?
Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Lol, your funny
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100% I agree. Also Nice use if showing the complete thoguht of Romans 8:1-6. And Hebrews 3 and 4 is a very strong warning, clearly showing what He wants and an example of what not to do and a very interesting part of Hebrews 3:
Hebrews 3:18-19, " 18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
He compares disobedience to unbelief as the same thing. At first I didn;t understand this but once I read it a few times it made perfect sense, those who believe also obey. Just as people don't walk in front of traffic because they believe it is not a safe thing to do.
I also like your use of YHWH, that is so cool! I like this verse a lot:
Psalms 68:3-7, " 3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice. 4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. 5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, [is] God in his holy habitation. 6 God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry [land]. 7 O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, when thou didst march through the wilderness; Selah:"
Hebrews 3:18-19, " 18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient? 19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
He compares disobedience to unbelief as the same thing. At first I didn;t understand this but once I read it a few times it made perfect sense, those who believe also obey. Just as people don't walk in front of traffic because they believe it is not a safe thing to do.
I also like your use of YHWH, that is so cool! I like this verse a lot:
Psalms 68:3-7, " 3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice. 4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him. 5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, [is] God in his holy habitation. 6 God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry [land]. 7 O God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, when thou didst march through the wilderness; Selah:"
Yeah I would say we see this passage similar, and I do think you propery described the 2 different groups mentioned, that is the mechanisim of how/why they got to be they way they are, but one reason why I selected this verse is because Jesus used the word "judge"
John 5:28-30, " 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. 30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me."
Do you think we we actaully be "judged" (who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment) as Jesus says or has Jesus gotten it all wrong in this matter?
I honestly take this at face value, after all the King said it, but I have had a hard time reconciling this with others I have spoken with, many people disagree with it or ignore it outright. I don't understand why, IMO if Jesus said it, then it must be true and of importance.
John 5:28-30, " 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. 30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me."
Do you think we we actaully be "judged" (who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment) as Jesus says or has Jesus gotten it all wrong in this matter?
I honestly take this at face value, after all the King said it, but I have had a hard time reconciling this with others I have spoken with, many people disagree with it or ignore it outright. I don't understand why, IMO if Jesus said it, then it must be true and of importance.
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Well in the same likeness that Jesus is the judge (shown in Revelation and spoken of in the gospels) he is also the passover lamb spoken of in Exodus and shown in the gospels.
Do you so how Jesus fulfills it?
Exodus; passover lamb - Gospels; Jesus sacrifice
Exodus; judgement for evil - Revelation; Jesus judges evil
Do you so how Jesus fulfills it?
Exodus; passover lamb - Gospels; Jesus sacrifice
Exodus; judgement for evil - Revelation; Jesus judges evil
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I think jesus is talking about right then and there, in his present situation at that time
i can (presently) do nothing on my own, as i HEAR (presently) i judge (make an opinion based on what i hear) because i seek not my own will, but the will of him who sent me
He is saying he is doing or he judges things based on what his father wishes, not based on his own understanding or feelings
i can (presently) do nothing on my own, as i HEAR (presently) i judge (make an opinion based on what i hear) because i seek not my own will, but the will of him who sent me
He is saying he is doing or he judges things based on what his father wishes, not based on his own understanding or feelings