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CherieR

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You are correct. We sin. But what is your attitude towards sin? Do you struggle with sin or sin without a struggle? I bet you are walking after the Spirit, not after the flesh, and you live to glorify God, right? As Paul said they that mind the flesh seek the things of the flesh, but they who spiritual are minded towards the things of the Spirit? I bet you are seeking and minding the things of the Spirit, though imperfectly. We are all imperfect. But I bet you in your heart of hearts want to please God. Is that you?

It’s a newnature thing

I would bet you sin, but it is not a habitual lifestyle with you. And if it is, I am confident that what ever habit you or I struggle with, we are in the process of progressively gaining victory over it. Because the power of Christ is greater than the power of sin


Blessings
I do want to please God. I think walking after the Spirit is following his leading which would also be the same as following Jesus. There has been times I would feel frustrated and/or guilt because of letting my anger get the better of me. Whereas typing on the computer gives me so much more time to think over what I would say, with speaking I often find myself speaking too quickly.
 
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I do want to please God. I think walking after the Spirit is following his leading which would also be the same as following Jesus. There has been times I would feel frustrated and/or guilt because of letting my anger get the better of me. Whereas typing on the computer gives me so much more time to think over what I would say, with speaking I often find myself speaking too quickly.
Funny, in person I am far more measured in my responses, people always tell me I am so diplomatic ...however when typing not so much... that is why I had to turn the other cheek, sometimes it gets me into trouble.
 
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I say this is very confusing???

The spirit cannot die.. it is the body that is dead.
Its not confusing if you read the whole exchange between Mac and I.

I was trying to show Mac that the spirit CAN NOT die. Mac is the one saying that our spirits can die, not me.
 
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Its not confusing if you read the whole exchange between Mac and I.

I was trying to show Mac that the spirit CAN NOT die. Mac is the one saying that our spirits can die, not me.
I was wondering..... Okay, that explains it, I tried to read it but my eyes started to glaze over o_O so I gave up.
 
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No you have it wrong again.

The DEAD Spirit is FUNCTIONING in tune with the will of the FLESH, which is Habitual Sin.

In the REAL LIVE STORY of Lazarus and the Rich Man, the Rich Man's spirit Literally ended up in Hades, a REAL PLACE.

LOSE YOUR IDEA THAT THE SPIRIT DIES LIKE THE FLESH DIES.

LET'S BACK UP A BIT.
How's about actually READING a post before you make comments. :)
I NEVER SAID the spirit dies.
Comments like this makes me wonder if anybody actually reads anybody else's posts.
How do you KNOW, that You have been BORN AGAIN ? ? ? I am not asking you to quote Scripture, but tell us your personal experience.

If you do not know, we will be happy to tell you HOW.
First off your definition of born again and the bibles definition of born again are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT entities.

My SALVATION experience.
I was brought up in church but became an atheist around the age of 18 and remained one until I was 32 years old. I didn't believe in God and didn't want to know anything about God or Christianity. Then one day when I was doing some work at a Pentecostal preachers house, the preacher began giving me his testimony, of which I had no interest in whatsoever, I was just being polite.

Then the next thing I knew, I was down on my knees crying like a baby and receiving Jesus as my savior. And my life has never been the same since. I started back going to church and reading the NIV bible which I got nothing out of.... kind of like some of the people I run across on this site. During that time of going to church, every church I ever went to kept saying that my bible was not perfect and that it had errors. This didn't sit well with me because EVERYTHING we know about God comes from the scripture.

At some point during that time, I was exposed to the KJV vs. Modern translation debate. So I decided to try the KJV. It was hard to read at first but after a few months is pretty easy to read. After reading it for a year or so, it's was like scales were being removed from my eyes and the meaning of scripture was flying off the page into my mind. I was hooked from that moment on.

My BORN AGAIN experience.
After a couple of years of reading the KJV, my view of Christ and the bible began to change. A NEW CHRIST was formed in me, A Christ that came from the incorruptible word of God. That's when I began to SEE the kingdom of God, not only in scripture but also in the world around me. This also the time that I entered into that kingdom that comes without observance, that's when I truly became free.... That's when I was born again of incorruptible seed.

So no VCO, I don't need for you to tell me how to get saved or how to become born again, I am both already.
 

SoulWeaver

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I was brought up in church but became an atheist around the age of 18 and remained one until I was 32 years old. I didn't believe in God and didn't want to know anything about God or Christianity. Then one day when I was doing some work at a Pentecostal preachers house, the preacher began giving me his testimony, of which I had no interest in whatsoever, I was just being polite.

Then the next thing I knew, I was down on my knees crying like a baby and receiving Jesus as my savior.
That was beautiful.
 
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God did not lie, adam died the day he ate, we know by how he acted after his sin, he forgot the things of god and they bcame foolish to him.

His physical death occurred 900 some odd years later, but his spiritiual dead was immediate, he too had to be born again
A day with the Lord is as a thousand years.... poetry right? Metaphor? No meaning whatsoever to you.
 
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Now that statement was Down Right FOOLISH.

IF You Have invited HIM IN to RULE YOUR LIFE, out of SINCERE LOVE FOR HIM,
You WILL know HIM and the Rigteousness purely of HIM, by the LOVE IN YOUR HEART (Human Spirit), and the JOY IN YOUR HEART, that was not there before. IF IT IS NOT THERE, THEN YOU ARE YET TO BE BORN AGAIN.
Where do you come up with this stuff?
Why don't you this, find every place in the bible where "Born Again" is found and see if it means what you just said.
 
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You're not going to believe anything I say. What would be the point of doing this?
A learning experience for both of us. Strengths and weaknesses of a position are revealed when you actually walk through a text it shows consistency or unconsistency.i am not interested in debating you any more. This is for both of our own personal benefit
 
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I do want to please God. I think walking after the Spirit is following his leading which would also be the same as following Jesus. There has been times I would feel frustrated and/or guilt because of letting my anger get the better of me. Whereas typing on the computer gives me so much more time to think over what I would say, with speaking I often find myself speaking too quickly.
That is the point. None of us are perfect, but you have a heart for God, and it shows in your actions. You are not playing games with God and professing to know Him while denying Him in what you willingly do. This is what I think John meant. He that is born of God does not sin as a way of life but pursues righteousness. A sheep may fall in the mud, but it is not in its nature to want to remain there. God bless you
 
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A learning experience for both of us. Strengths and weaknesses of a position are revealed when you actually walk through a text it shows consistency or unconsistency.i am not interested in debating you any more. This is for both of our own personal benefit
If you write your summary of 1 John 3:1-10, I will not attack it I will post my own and then we can discuss it if we both agree to discuss it. If you have a membership, we can do it privately PM. But I don’t have money to pay for a membership, so only if you already have a membership.

I strongly disagree with you, but I sense that you are sincere. It doesn’t make you right, but it makes me want to have a conversation with without either of us needing to get defensive
 
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Its not confusing if you read the whole exchange between Mac and I.

I was trying to show Mac that the spirit CAN NOT die. Mac is the one saying that our spirits can die, not me.
@UnderGrace
@KJV1611

Spiritual death is RELATIONAL SEPERATION FROM GOD. It is not anhilation or cessation of existence, spiritual death is simply the absence of spiritual life Spiritual life is a relationship with God

Hope this helps

Spiritual life is of a different nature than physical life.
 
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A learning experience for both of us. Strengths and weaknesses of a position are revealed when you actually walk through a text it shows consistency or unconsistency.i am not interested in debating you any more. This is for both of our own personal benefit
1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
God loved us so much that he has bestowed upon us the honor of being called the sons of God. The world can't see that we are the sons of God because the world doesn't know God.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
We are the sons of God RIGHT NOW, this is not something that we will become in the future when Christ returns but we are sons right now. Although we don't look the way we will look in the future when Christ comes.

Agree?
 
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@UnderGrace
@KJV1611

Spiritual death is RELATIONAL SEPERATION FROM GOD. It is not anhilation or cessation of existence, spiritual death is simply the absence of spiritual life Spiritual life is a relationship with God

Hope this helps

Spiritual life is of a different nature than physical life.
It takes two or three witnesses to establish the truth but I would believe what you say if you could produce ONE VERSE that comes close to saying "spiritual death is relational separation from God".