Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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They do it by keeping, maybe this helps you understand.
keeping
noun
keep·ing | \ ˈkē-piŋ \
Definition of keeping
1: CONFORMITYin keeping with good tasteout of keeping with the decor
2: the act of one that keeps: such as
a: CUSTODY, MAINTENANCE
b: OBSERVANCE
3a: the means by which something is kept : SUPPORT, PROVISION
b: the state of being kept or the condition in which something is kept the house is in good keeping
keeping
noun
keep·ing | \ ˈkē-piŋ \
Definition of keeping
1: CONFORMITYin keeping with good tasteout of keeping with the decor
2: the act of one that keeps: such as
a: CUSTODY, MAINTENANCE
b: OBSERVANCE
3a: the means by which something is kept : SUPPORT, PROVISION
b: the state of being kept or the condition in which something is kept the house is in good keeping
I agree that this passage is referring to the tribulation period (so it is not accurate to say "in this age/in this present age [singular]" [/the "NOW"]... rather, it refers to "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" like in Matt24:3 (and THAT referencing back to what Jesus had already spoken with them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50, when the angels will REAP, and speaking of "the kingdom of the heavens" [i.e. the EARTHLY MK age], and the "WHEAT harvest" [not speaking of "the Church which is His body"/US]).
So I believe the Revelation 12 passage (and, say, verse 17's reference to "the remnant of her seed") speaks to that which Micah 5:3's "UNTIL" does [distinct from v.2 about Jesus' birth] (where it says, "[give them up...] UNTIL the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: THEN the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel"--and the similar wording in Hosea 5:15-6:3 "TILL"). Note: I am not one who sees "the man child" (of Rev12) as speaking in reference to Jesus' own birth.
So I believe the Revelation 12 passage (and, say, verse 17's reference to "the remnant of her seed") speaks to that which Micah 5:3's "UNTIL" does [distinct from v.2 about Jesus' birth] (where it says, "[give them up...] UNTIL the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: THEN the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel"--and the similar wording in Hosea 5:15-6:3 "TILL"). Note: I am not one who sees "the man child" (of Rev12) as speaking in reference to Jesus' own birth.
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It "seems" you may have "grown" somewhat, in at least "softening" your stance towards salvation by grace through faith alone. In your agreeing that it takes some effort. (Thank you Lord!)
Now? Would you agree that the greater the effort/s the longer the reward/s?
That would just pass up this life here on earth, in this "current everlasting" like it was sitting still, and "grow/mature/perfect" and be rewarded with life ETERNAL?
For you see, that is what I, and others here are exposing concerning this OSAS "dogma/mindset/tradition/misunderstanding."
Don't be satisfied with everlasting! Strive FOR eternal!
For longer IS greater! Eternal IS greater then everlasting!
Now? Would you agree that the greater the effort/s the longer the reward/s?
That would just pass up this life here on earth, in this "current everlasting" like it was sitting still, and "grow/mature/perfect" and be rewarded with life ETERNAL?
For you see, that is what I, and others here are exposing concerning this OSAS "dogma/mindset/tradition/misunderstanding."
Don't be satisfied with everlasting! Strive FOR eternal!
For longer IS greater! Eternal IS greater then everlasting!
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This does not tell me anything
The jews kept the law and obeyed gods commands, yet what did they do?
You answered it in your last post, they obey because the love, why do they love, because god loved them.
Ie, it is a descriptive passage of believers in christ who have been saved (like me)
And you wonder why people are so confused
One post you say by love
The next you appear to say we just obey by keeping
Which is it?
The jews kept the law and obeyed gods commands, yet what did they do?
You answered it in your last post, they obey because the love, why do they love, because god loved them.
Ie, it is a descriptive passage of believers in christ who have been saved (like me)
And you wonder why people are so confused
One post you say by love
The next you appear to say we just obey by keeping
Which is it?
This is how I do my Bible studies, I look up all the relevant scriptures and then take it from there. It can take hours, so I will let you or the others do this.
About Revelation 12:17
the dragon: Rev_12:12; Joh_8:44; 1Pe_5:8
to make: Rev_11:7, Rev_13:7, Rev_17:6, Rev_17:14, Rev_18:20, Rev_19:19, Rev_20:8-9; Gen_3:15; Dan_7:23-26, Dan_11:36
which: Rev_14:12, Rev_22:14; Mat_28:20; 1Jn_5:2
and have: Rev_12:11, Rev_1:2, Rev_1:9, Rev_6:9, Rev_20:4; 1Co_2:1; 1Jn_5:10
Personally as a Christian, I follow Jesus, not Moses. Those who follow Moses are bound for hell.
About Revelation 12:17
the dragon: Rev_12:12; Joh_8:44; 1Pe_5:8
to make: Rev_11:7, Rev_13:7, Rev_17:6, Rev_17:14, Rev_18:20, Rev_19:19, Rev_20:8-9; Gen_3:15; Dan_7:23-26, Dan_11:36
which: Rev_14:12, Rev_22:14; Mat_28:20; 1Jn_5:2
and have: Rev_12:11, Rev_1:2, Rev_1:9, Rev_6:9, Rev_20:4; 1Co_2:1; 1Jn_5:10
Personally as a Christian, I follow Jesus, not Moses. Those who follow Moses are bound for hell.
If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God. Romans 2:26-29
It should not surprise one that such a man, as is described in the bolded part of Romans, would do that contained in the law!
Yet? It surprises you!
Otherwise? You would understand another's "outwards" "physical" actions, and "behaviours!"
Yet? You do not!
It should not surprise one that such a man, as is described in the bolded part of Romans, would do that contained in the law!
Yet? It surprises you!
Otherwise? You would understand another's "outwards" "physical" actions, and "behaviours!"
Yet? You do not!
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There he goes with the red X again
I guess he does not believe the more mature we become the easier our walk becomes, even though paul, as our example shows this not only to be the case, but even handing tribulation and suffering becomes easier also (he calls it a momentary light affliction)
And he evidently does not understand eternal life is a gift, not a reward.
Nothing has changed,
I guess he does not believe the more mature we become the easier our walk becomes, even though paul, as our example shows this not only to be the case, but even handing tribulation and suffering becomes easier also (he calls it a momentary light affliction)
And he evidently does not understand eternal life is a gift, not a reward.
Nothing has changed,