Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, as I am sure you could as well, as many others could. Would I? No. All you need do is go through this thread, and not this thread only.

I have yet to find anyone in this thread say this, And to be honest, I can only think of a few in CC who seemed to say this, and I have not seem them in along time.

Now I see alot of people throwing accusations around because they do not listen to what others are saying,

so no, I can not name one person. And If I did see someone saying it, I would be showing them how wrong they are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The command you are to obey: REPENT

Yes, And what do true repentant people do concerning the gospel?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have a question for you if that is ok?

If I quote this verse:

John 5:28-30, " 28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. 30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me."

am I a, b or c

a. A justified by works fallen and lost person

b. quoting and standing on the words of Jesus

c. other

1. I can not answer I do not know you, and If I would answer I would be assuming, I do not like to assume thing. nor do I like to judge, Only God can do this
2. What I have is a disagreement with you concerning the law. and what it is about Jesus we need to learn. and how it affects people who have already been led to Christ.

but since you still seem to assume I have ulterior motives, I doubt we can have any real conversation. Just like many other people who are in defense mode, and not in discussion mode (on all sides of any argument)

It happens far to often.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well I will answer, but that is only 1/3 of what He Himself said He came to fulfill.

and I know I assume I will get attacked for this, but while He has completed the perfect sacrifice thus offering mercy to humans, no the "law" is not completely fulfilled. Before you jump on me please consider this:

A part of the law is for a righteous jkudge to exact judgement upon the guilty party.

This will happen when He returns.

Revelation 18:6-8, " 6 Pay her back as she herself has paid back others, and repay her double for her deeds; mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed. 7 As she glorified herself and lived in luxury, so give her a like measure of torment and mourning, since in her heart she says, ‘I sit as a queen, I am no widow, and mourning I shall never see.’ 8 For this reason her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for mighty is the Lord God who has judged her.”

Has this judgement already been handed out?

I say no, not yet. If you can show me in the word where this has already happened I will 100% hear you out.

IMO this is where that gets fulfilled:

Revelation 19:13-16, " 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

Here is your chance to do as you said and rather than accuse to reason in the word and pursuade me using the word if you disagree Im all ears.

Can you quote in the law where it is said that he will exact judgment?

And for future reference

When you claim three things, and I only ask about one, It is because I agree with your other two assesments, so there is no need to discuss them any further,

So when you keep trying to talk about those things, and refuse to acknowledge the one thing I want to discuss (because we disagree) you just make hurt the conversation, and appear to be on the defensive..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thkn you are saying kind of use human viewpoints from our own desire or what we have heard rather than letting the word and the Spirit guide us. Yes, it is my intent to fully submit to His SPirit and word rather than lean upon my own understanding.

That is why I only form a doctrine in my own belief when I beleive the word explicitly states something.

Sorry for the red X, But you seem to be all over the place.

I have never insisted, insinuated, or even suggested the bolded part of your response. It appears you have no desire to discuss anything or even try to learn what people believe, it seems you just feal you have an opinion about what they believe, and almost every response you make sorts this out.

I will try to give an example of what I am tryign to say, since you evidenlty for some reason (maybe my fault) can not comprehend..maybe that will help

we have two people who say they let the spirit guide them, and demand that they are only using the word. and the guidance of the spirit, to come to their interpretation, it is from God,

neither of them will admit to the possibility they are listening to what they have been taught, or their own feelings.

yet both have totally opposite views which make the exact same passage say totally opposite things.

are they both REALLY listing to the spirit (can the spirit contradict himself?)

So when we start using this as a reason for our belief, we are in DANGER of being the one who is misinterpreting the word. because we have not used all things of proper hermeneutics to properly see what is being said.

THATS WHY we have so many belief systems, ALL saying they got their view by submitting to the spirit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John 6: 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

true
But if we do not interpret those words correctly, Those words are of no help to us

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because you change what you believe all the time. One day the law is dead, the next day you work the law, the next day you only rest, the next day its the commandments are written in stone the next day they are done away with. Just never know what you are talking about. Seems to change with who ever you are talking to. That is why it is so confusing. Take a stance and stick with it.

Sorry for the red X, but there comes a time when you have to highlight something which is wrong about another person

if you think this, you have not been reading his words very well

I have listened to him for as long as he has been here, and his words concerning the law has always been the same

 

[gb9]

Sorry for the red X, but there comes a time when you have to highlight something which is wrong about another person

if you think this, you have not been reading his words very well

I have listened to him for as long as he has been here, and his words concerning the law has always been the same

it seems that some who post regularly in this thread just believe what they think is fine instead of believing facts that tell us what is true or not.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

it seems that some who post regularly in this thread just believe what they think is fine instead of believing facts that tell us what is true or not.

I think some just look for key words, and when they hear them they seem to get this AHAH! moment, and somehow think they now know everything we believe.

or they are so focused on those things, they can not see what is really being said,

 

[gb9]

I think some just look for key words, and when they hear them they seem to get this AHAH! moment, and somehow think they now know everything we believe.

or they are so focused on those things, they can not see what is really being said,

I recently gave deighann a detailed definition of the greek word for Law, and she said nothing about it, just kept right on saying that the Law is divided, as if the language the N.T. is written in is no big deal...

this is willful blindness to prop up a belief system.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I recently gave deighann a detailed definition of the greek word for Law, and she said nothing about it, just kept right on saying that the Law is divided, as if the language the N.T. is written in is no big deal...

this is willful blindness to prop up a belief system.

I have had good conversations with her, She does seem open. Not like some of the others, who just attack those who disagree with them, Be patient.

 

[Dan_473]

This would sure make for a much "different" planet. Wouldn't it?
It is precisely this type of "dedication", and "loyalty", and "obedience", to "a religion", that has the WHOLE WORLD SCARED OF "islamic jihad!"

Sad, ain't it? Christians take only PART of what Jesus taught concerning "loving your enemies." Yet don't take ONE STEP, or "action", when it comes to "overturning the money changers." Even within one's OWN "personal" Temple!
Matthew 23
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

So go on ahead and keep trying to "pigeon hole" that which are so obviously not understanding, into tearing. and shredding to make it fit into something you would understand. However wrongly or damning these efforts do to yourself.
Can you say scribe? Pharasee? Accuser of the Brethren?
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

I was simply inviting you to talk about how you keep the law described in Deuteronomy 13 in your daily life. How you put it into practice.

If you don't keep that law, you can just say so. If you keep it, you can describe what physical actions you take in order to keep it.

Or you can reject the invitation to talk about how you practice what you preach.

 

[wokinluv]

You did not answer the question

WHO According to Gods standard, KEEPS the law?

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:1-3

If you still can't accept that, try this one...

...We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3...(and will not be rejected)

How can anyone love his neighbour if he doesn't keep God's law written on his heart?

If you can love your neighbour then you are keeping the law. If love could not meet God's standard then the one working in us could not meet His own standard. Do you even realize this?

I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. Ephesians 3:16-21

If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God. Romans 2:26-29

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His love endures forever. Amen

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:1-3

If you still can't accept that, try this one...

I accept that verse. But it DOES NOT TELL ME WHO KEEPS THE LAW

...We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3...(and will not be rejected)

How can anyone love his neighbour if he doesn't keep God's law written on his heart?

Gentiles did it for centuries Abraham did it, As did Noah As did many people before the law was written.

Does the bible say we LOVE because we have the law? Or does it say we LOVE because God first loved us?

again, This does not tell me WHO has kept the law.

If you can love your neighbour then you are keeping the law. If love could not meet God's standard then the one working in us could not meet His own standard. Do you even realize this?

Yes, At that moment i am loving my neighbor, I am by practice keeping the law. but that is not what the law requires. And most people do not do it to keep the law. But because they are practicing the love God asks them to practice, which he empowered them to give

But I did not ask that, I ask WHO KEEPS THE LAW. (ITS REQUIREMENT)

I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. Ephesians 3:16-21

If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God. Romans 2:26-29

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His love endures forever. Amen

once again, WHO KEEPS THE LAW?

The law is more than commands, It has requirements, One who does not meet those requirements does not keep the law.

I am not focusing on commands, Of course people can keep them

I am focusing on the LAW (A WHOLE ENTITY)

I know of one person who kept the law Can you show me anyone else?

 

[SimpleGardner]

Yes it is I beleive. Because this has happened a few times and each time the Scripture I quote is ignored and personal attacks are made using things I never said.

At the very point this is verifiable, it is a concluded fact that what is being witnessed is a man of lawlessness. The world winks at these sins, but we should rather EXPOSE THEM.

I have called them out before and they try to move on as if to say; "What are you making such a big fuss about?"

(Eph 5:11 NIV) Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

At the very point this is verifiable, it is a concluded fact that what is being witnessed is a man of lawlessness. The world winks at these sins, but we should rather EXPOSE THEM.

I have called them out before and they try to move on as if to say; "What are you making such a big fuss about?"

(Eph 5:11 NIV) Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

if you want to expose sin, I will be right there with you, Sin is sin is sin, No matter what that sin is

But would you not want to also discuss HOW we break the mold or power of those sins?

 

[Dan_473]

@Yahshua

So Yahshua, I see that you gave a like to post https://christianchat.com/threads/d...-to-keep-the-law-of-moses.185392/post-4027527

Are you also in favor of not talking about how one practices what one preaches?

If so, please, can you explain why so many folks who talk about keeping the law don't want to talk about how they actually put it into practice? What physical actions they take?

I believe I had asked you a while back about wearing blended fabrics. And I think you gave a lengthy response about how a person could begin to keep that commandment. How over time they could wear out their existing clothes and replace them with ones made with a single fabric.

But when I asked you what was actually in your sock drawer, I don't believe you answered.

Do people feel they will be embarrassed if they talk about their daily practices? You are welcome to ask me anything within the limits set up here by the moderators.

 

[SimpleGardner]

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:1-3

If you still can't accept that, try this one...

...We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. 1 Corinthians 8:1-3...(and will not be rejected)

How can anyone love his neighbour if he doesn't keep God's law written on his heart?

If you can love your neighbour then you are keeping the law. If love could not meet God's standard then the one working in us could not meet His own standard. Do you even realize this?

I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. Ephesians 3:16-21

If those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker. A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God. Romans 2:26-29

Confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His love endures forever. Amen

Greetings Wokinluv,

You are so wise to speak through the word of God.

It has been evident for some time now that we are dealing with those who are playing with religion and have no interest inf serving God in "Spirit and Truth".

Proceed as you are led.

Bless YHWH! Know and keep.

SG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Greetings Wokinluv,

You are so wise to speak through the word of God.

It has been evident for some time now that we are dealing with those who are playing with religion and have no interest inf serving God in "Spirit and Truth".

Proceed as you are led.

Bless YHWH! Know and keep.

SG

Explain our religion

Religion seeks to serve self. and take from Christ

Our gospel seeks to give God the credit, and serve hm

So how is that religion?

s this just another silly accusation because you can not answer our questions and do not like being confronted on serious issues?

 

[SimpleGardner]

@Yahshua

So Yahshua, I see that you gave a like to post https://christianchat.com/threads/d...-to-keep-the-law-of-moses.185392/post-4027527

Are you also in favor of not talking about how one practices what one preaches?

If so, please, can you explain why so many folks who talk about keeping the law don't want to talk about how they actually put it into practice? What physical actions they take?

I believe I had asked you a while back about wearing blended fabrics. And I think you gave a lengthy response about how a person could begin to keep that commandment. How over time they could wear out their existing clothes and replace them with ones made with a single fabric.

But when I asked you what was actually in your sock drawer, I don't believe you answered.

Do people feel they will be embarrassed if they talk about their daily practices? You are welcome to ask me anything within the limits set up here by the moderators.

Greetings Dan,

To all who want to discuss what our Creators will is as written in the scrptures, or as Paul termed it ""instruction in righteousness" I say "Great" I recognize that you can type and so I also recognize that you can read, so I also recognize that you can study, so I also recognize that what you choose to read and follow from the scripture is all your doing.

Well, then that means your choices are what you will be judged for on that day. If in a discussion forum you pose questions about how to interpret and then observe a command, but then use that answer to turn around and rend someone who gave you an answer then you are the very one that Yahshau warned us about;

(Mat 7:6 NIV) "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.


Certainly you have heard of "pearls of wisdom" So Y gives you "pearls" and you now "turn and rend" him. You need to consider how inappropriate your behavior is.

SG