True or False - "Another Jesus"?

[Grace911]

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the peopleshall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Can you keep this standard?

Heb 8:7 Indeed, if the first covenant had not given ground for faultfinding, there would have been no need for a second one.

Heb 8:8 For God does find fault with the people when he says, " 'See! The days are coming,' says Adonai, 'when I will establish over the house of Isra'el and over the house of Y'hudah a new covenant.

Heb 8:9 " 'It will not be like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by their hand and led them forth out of the land of Egypt; because they, for their part, did not remain faithful to my covenant; so I, for my part, stopped concerning myself with them,' says Adonai. (God divorced the House of Israel)

Heb 8:10 " 'For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Isra'el after those days,' says Adonai: 'I will put my Torah in their minds and write it on their hearts; I will be their God, and they will be my people. (Remember in Hosea God said they will not be my people, then in the story they bcome God's people again.)

Heb 8:11 " 'None of them will teach his fellow-citizen or his brother, saying, "Know Adonai!" For all will know me, from the least of them to the greatest,

Heb 8:12 because I will be merciful toward their wickednesses and remember their sins no more.' "

Heb 8:13 By using the term, "new," he has made the first covenant "old" (See Deut. 27:26); and something being made old, something in the process of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You remind me of UnitedWithChrist the way you question the scriptures accuracy and validity and those who are Christian and hold them precious. It's uncanny.

I've met a few people who don't think the ten commandments apply today. I will state that anyone who calls themselves Christian and openly admits they don't honor God's first command may wish to reconsider their self-title of , "Christian".

You remind me of other lawyers who are stuck on proving that we must follow the law so badly you can. Ot listen or comprehend what others say

Are the ten commands apply today?

Yes

Whoever dos. Ot obey every word is cursed.

The law condemns just as well today as it did the day it was given

And ps

You need to grow up and learn that admitting i fail to contiually follow any command oerfectly is not the same as saying i refuse to honor god by doing the,

I am sick of this strawman

If you are not willing to try to understand then go talk to someone else,

Jesus reiterated the ten commandments as valid in his time and earth remains as does Heaven. Therefore, per Christ's instruction, I would say cursed are those who mock the ten commandments and rest assured they are saved when they admit they can't or do not follow them.

I don't steal.
I don't murder.
I don't lie.
I don't worship idols or any God not my God.
I respect my parents.
I do not commit adultery as a married woman

On and on. See how simple the morality God defined for us and that he wrote in our hearts so that we would never be separated from them sounds? I could go on with the list but they're already printed in my other reply.

If you have a problem following just those six, perhaps you should be very concerned for your soul.

This is non responsive

Stop being like everyone else who pushes law and for once try to understand what it is people are saying

Or continue to be left in the dark and make accusations which are false!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Heb 8:7 Indeed, if the first covenant had not given ground for faultfinding, there would have been no need for a second one.

Heb 8:8 For God does find fault with the people when he says, " 'See! The days are coming,' says Adonai, 'when I will establish over the house of Isra'el and over the house of Y'hudah a new covenant.

Heb 8:9 " 'It will not be like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by their hand and led them forth out of the land of Egypt; because they, for their part, did not remain faithful to my covenant; so I, for my part, stopped concerning myself with them,' says Adonai. (God divorced the House of Israel)

Heb 8:10 " 'For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Isra'el after those days,' says Adonai: 'I will put my Torah in their minds and write it on their hearts; I will be their God, and they will be my people. (Remember in Hosea God said they will not be my people, then in the story they bcome God's people again.)

Heb 8:11 " 'None of them will teach his fellow-citizen or his brother, saying, "Know Adonai!" For all will know me, from the least of them to the greatest,

Heb 8:12 because I will be merciful toward their wickednesses and remember their sins no more.' "

Heb 8:13 By using the term, "new," he has made the first covenant "old" (See Deut. 27:26); and something being made old, something in the process of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether.

This does not refute moses requirement given when he gave the law

To follow obey the law requires perfection

If you are not perfect, YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW YOU ARE CURSED BY THE LAW

 

[Grace911]

You did not answer my question

I said do you think all your sins are oppsies? (Ie you NEVER willfully commit a sin)

I think you are avoiding what I have written back. Tactics. Tactics. Attack. Attack. Why are you warring so hard against believers in Jesus Christ and that He is the author and finisher of the Word (the entire Bible) and the author and finisher of our faith? Your question begs "Tell me your sins so that I can attack you some more." I've seen in scripture we are not to throw our pearls out before the pigs, because they love to trample on your precious love for God and His Son and His Holy Spirit who guides us in our joy and peace, a light to our parth, a true love for the Master that He has placed in our hearts. Do you have joy and peace warring so heavily over God's family? I am going to guess and say that you do love the attacking of believers and attacking God's Holy Words, because you have chosen that some is not applicable to your walk and therefore should not be in our walk. Am I right? You come across as one who hates the laws of God in such if it were possible you would turn away as many as you can to this Great Deception, the by-product of Satan himself, anti-law, lawlessness.

Mat_7:23 Then I will tell them to their faces, 'I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'

Rom_6:19 (I am using popular language because your human nature is so weak.) For just as you used to offer your various parts as slaves to impurity and lawlessness, which led to more lawlessness; so now offer your various parts as slaves to righteousness, which leads to being made holy, set apart for God.

2Co_6:14 Do not yoke yourselves together in a team with unbelievers. For how can righteousness and lawlessness be partners? What fellowship does light have with darkness?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think you are avoiding what I have written back. Tactics. Tactics. Attack. Attack. Why are you warring so hard against believers in Jesus Christ and that He is the author and finisher of the Word (the entire Bible) and the author and finisher of our faith? Your question begs "Tell me your sins so that I can attack you some more." I've seen in scripture we are not to throw our pearls out before the pigs, because they love to trample on your precious love for God and His Son and His Holy Spirit who guides us in our joy and peace, a light to our parth, a true love for the Master that He has placed in our hearts. Do you have joy and peace warring so heavily over God's family? I am going to guess and say that you do love the attacking of believers and attacking God's Holy Words, because you have chosen that some is not applicable to your walk and therefore should not be in our walk. Am I right? You come across as one who hates the laws of God in such if it were possible you would turn away as many as you can to this Great Deception, the by-product of Satan himself, anti-law, lawlessness.

Mat_7:23 Then I will tell them to their faces, 'I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'

Rom_6:19 (I am using popular language because your human nature is so weak.) For just as you used to offer your various parts as slaves to impurity and lawlessness, which led to more lawlessness; so now offer your various parts as slaves to righteousness, which leads to being made holy, set apart for God.

2Co_6:14 Do not yoke yourselves together in a team with unbelievers. For how can righteousness and lawlessness be partners? What fellowship does light have with darkness?

There is no tactic

You used a passage that says if we willfully sin there is no more sacrifice

So i asked you if you think all of your sins are mistakes or oopses (not willful)

Can you answer the question?

Or will you continue to push it aside and refuse to address it?

 

[Whispered]

You remind me of other lawyers who are stuck on proving that we must follow the law so badly you can. Ot listen or comprehend what others say

Are the ten commands apply today?

Yes

Whoever dos. Ot obey every word is cursed.

The law condemns just as well today as it did the day it was given

And ps

You need to grow up and learn that admitting i fail to contiually follow any command oerfectly is not the same as saying i refuse to honor god by doing the,

I am sick of this strawman

If you are not willing to try to understand then go talk to someone else,




This is non responsive

Stop being like everyone else who pushes law and for once try to understand what it is people are saying

Or continue to be left in the dark and make accusations which are false!

Yes, I've read you accuse people of being lawyers before. You don't know much about the law of man nor of God. And certainly not of the very old and tired accusatory dodge of strawman.

You are very astute at accusing Christians for being Christians with what little knowledge you do possess. And your rhetoric repeats itself quite often in the quest to further that agenda.
Why do you think you gain satisfaction in that pursuit?
I think God put you here so that we who are in Christ may realize what our enemy looks like when donning the mask of a sheep while failing to speak our language as God would have it done. In love.

If it be God's will may you come unto repentance and regeneration in the love and light of our Savior.

 

[Grace911]

Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen people, the King's cohanim, a holy nation, a people for God to possess! Why? In order for you to declare the praises of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
1Pe 2:10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; before, you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
1Pe 2:11 Dear friends, I urge you as aliens and temporary residents not to give in to the desires of your old nature, which keep warring against you;
1Pe 2:12 but to live such good lives among the pagans that even though they now speak against you as evil-doers, they will, as a result of seeing your good actions, give glory to God on the Day of his coming.

 

[Grace911]

There is no tactic

You used a passage that says if we willfully sin there is no more sacrifice

So i asked you if you think all of your sins are mistakes or oopses (not willful)

Can you answer the question?

Or will you continue to push it aside and refuse to address it?

 

[Grace911]

Dan 9:4 I prayed to Adonai my God and made this confession: "Please, Adonai, great and fearsome God, who keeps his covenant and extends grace to those who love him and observe his mitzvot!
Dan 9:5 We have sinned, done wrong, acted wickedly, rebelled and turned away from your mitzvot and rulings.
Dan 9:6 We have not listened to your servants the prophets, who spoke in your name to our kings, our leaders, our ancestors and to all the people of the land.
Dan 9:7 "To you, Adonai, belongs righteousness; but to us today belongs shame—to us, the men of Y'hudah, the inhabitants of Yerushalayim and all Isra'el, including those nearby and those far away, throughout all the countries where you have driven them; because they broke faith with you.
Dan 9:8 Yes, Adonai, shame falls on us, our kings, our leaders and our ancestors; because we sinned against you.
Dan 9:9 It is for Adonai our God to show compassion and forgiveness, because we rebelled against him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I've read you accuse people of being lawyers before. You don't know much about the law of man nor of God. And certainly not of the very old and tired accusatory dodge of strawman.

You are very astute at accusing Christians for being Christians with what little knowledge you do possess. And your rhetoric repeats itself quite often in the quest to further that agenda.
Why do you think you gain satisfaction in that pursuit?
I think God put you here so that we who are in Christ may realize what our enemy looks like when donning the mask of a sheep while failing to speak our language as God would have it done. In love.

If it be God's will may you come unto repentance and regeneration in the love and light of our Savior.

Whatever dude

You accused me of saying i do not think the ten commands are valid today (a lie)

Then instead of confessing your mistake and asking forgiveness, you attack me of accusing others

Its ok, thanks for proving my point

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I've read you accuse people of being lawyers before. You don't know much about the law of man nor of God. And certainly not of the very old and tired accusatory dodge of strawman.

You are very astute at accusing Christians for being Christians with what little knowledge you do possess. And your rhetoric repeats itself quite often in the quest to further that agenda.
Why do you think you gain satisfaction in that pursuit?
I think God put you here so that we who are in Christ may realize what our enemy looks like when donning the mask of a sheep while failing to speak our language as God would have it done. In love.

If it be God's will may you come unto repentance and regeneration in the love and light of our Savior.

You see another person here refusing to answer a question i asked, then go on his personal little rant,

Can you correct him like you just tried to correct me, or is it ok, because he believes like you do?

 

[Whispered]

Whatever dude

You accused me of saying i do not think the ten commands are valid today (a lie)

Then instead of confessing your mistake and asking forgiveness, you attack me of accusing others

Its ok, thanks for proving my point

Your own words are you undoing. Take responsibility and do not bear false witness against me because you refuse to.

eternally-gratefull said:


Yes i do, i never claimed to be perfect. Thats why i stopped trying tomfollow the law, and put my mind on learning how to love god and others.




Never met anyone who perfectly obeyed this command.

Its one thing to desire to to pit god first in every area of our lives every second of the day

Its another to carry it out.




Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the peopleshall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Can you keep this standard?

 

[RickStudies]

I said before I was not going to response to nonsense posts from you like this anymore. I have gone back on my word.

but if people really want to see why our conversations digressed, they can go back to pages 320 of this thread and read forward. and see how you responded to questions, and how it just kept getting worse.

anyway, Do you want to talk about scripture. Or continue to blame everyone else for your issues?

Ummmmmmmm The thread has like 250 posts on it. No page 320.

An I have no issues. I forgive the railers for abusing me, eccentric idea I guess

 

[Whispered]

You see another person here refusing to answer a question i asked, then go on his personal little rant,

Can you correct him like you just tried to correct me, or is it ok, because he believes like you do?

I did correct your fault in this discussion. However, you demonstrate you are not here to learn your mistakes and correct them. You are here to attack the faith and the faithful and call us names.
More's the pity.

The Book of First Peter chapter 4
Stewards of God's Grace
Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh,[a] arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. 3 For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. 4 With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; 5 but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.

7 The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers. 8 Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins. 9 Show hospitality to one another without grumbling. 10 As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God's varied grace: 11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Suffering as a Christian
12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory[b] and of God rests upon you. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And
“If the righteous is scarcely saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”[c]

19 Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.

Footnotes:

1. 1 Peter 4:1 Some manuscripts add for us; some for you
2. 1 Peter 4:14 Some manuscripts insert and of power
3. 1 Peter 4:18 Greek where will the ungodly and sinner appear?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+4&version=ESV

 

[Grace911]

Hebrews 10: 26 For if we deliberately continue to sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but only the terrifying prospect of Judgment, or raging fire that will consume the enemies.

The above Scripture is not referring to those unclean bondages that dwell in our flesh but to the conscious choices believers make. It refers not to our unintentional sins but to those we pursue knowingly and willingly and frequently.

When Nathan confronted King David about his sin, David did not run out and get an animal for sacrifice and bring it to the tabernacle or priests to offer a "sin offering". There was no sacrifice for deliberate and continuous intentional sin. The only thing David could offer was a sincere and broken heart and repentance for the sin. There was never a sacrifice in "the law" for deliberate and consistent sinning.

The only sacrifice for all our intentional sins is the blood of Jesus (Immanuel-God with us). And if God be for us, who can be against us?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your own words are you undoing. Take responsibility and do not bear false witness against me because you refuse to.

eternally-gratefull said:


Yes i do, i never claimed to be perfect. Thats why i stopped trying tomfollow the law, and put my mind on learning how to love god and others.




Never met anyone who perfectly obeyed this command.

Its one thing to desire to to pit god first in every area of our lives every second of the day

Its another to carry it out.




Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the peopleshall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Can you keep this standard?

So,let me get this right

Me holding the fact that the standard of the law is still in effect today is me saying i do not think the ten commands are applicable today? (Your argument against me)

You just proved me right, then said it is my undoing?

Thanks man, i needed a good laugh,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ummmmmmmm The thread has like 250 posts on it. No page 320.

An I have no issues. I forgive the railers for abusing me, eccentric idea I guess

Excuse me, post 320

See, i am not perfect and not afraid to admit when i make a mistake.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did correct your fault in this discussion. However, you demonstrate you are not here to learn your mistakes and correct them. You are here to attack the faith and the faithful and call us names.
More's the pity.

The Book of First Peter chapter 4
Stewards of God's Grace
Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh,[a] arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, 2 so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions but for the will of God. 3 For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. 4 With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; 5 but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.

7 The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers. 8 Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins. 9 Show hospitality to one another without grumbling. 10 As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God's varied grace: 11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Suffering as a Christian
12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13 But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. 14 If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory[b] and of God rests upon you. 15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. 16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And
“If the righteous is scarcely saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”[c]

19 Therefore let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.

Footnotes:

1. 1 Peter 4:1 Some manuscripts add for us; some for you
2. 1 Peter 4:14 Some manuscripts insert and of power
3. 1 Peter 4:18 Greek where will the ungodly and sinner appear?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+4&version=ESV

Dude get over yourself

All you did was prove you still do not have any idea what i believe

You have not even confessed your error about what i believe

Next...,

 

[Whispered]

So,let me get this right

Me holding the fact that the standard of the law is still in effect today is me saying i do not think the ten commands are applicable today? (Your argument against me)

You just proved me right, then said it is my undoing?

Thanks man, i needed a good laugh,

The member earlier was correct. You do twist words to make them say what you need them to say so that you may continue in the attack agenda you have set for yourself here. And for years now seeing your join date on your profile block.
What a tragic waste of a life's time those last eight years.

It would be my fault to continue to pursue reason with that one who is unreasonable. My responses do not serve to enlighten but only garner more responses carrying caustic derision and gloating examples of sin from a sinful heart and mind.

Being that is your burden I would not be one who would lead you to continue in this exercise of your path unto damnation. I will ignore your efforts of self destruction from this point forth. It is only right that I do so. Else affording you more opportunity to display your faults would be counter productive for this Christian who would rather you come to repentance rather than feel encouraged to continue to sin against God and His daughters and sons here.

May God have mercy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The member earlier was correct. You do twist words to make them say what you need them to say so that you may continue in the attack agenda you have set for yourself here. And for years now seeing your join date on your profile block.
What a tragic waste of a life's time those last eight years.

It would be my fault to continue to pursue reason with that one who is unreasonable. My responses do not serve to enlighten but only garner more responses carrying caustic derision and gloating examples of sin from a sinful heart and mind.

Being that is your burden I would not be one who would lead you to continue in this exercise of your path unto damnation. I will ignore your efforts of self destruction from this point forth. It is only right that I do so. Else affording you more opportunity to display your faults would be counter productive for this Christian who would rather you come to repentance rather than feel encouraged to continue to sin against God and His daughters and sons here.

May God have mercy.

You claimed said the ten commands were no longer valid

Will you admit this, or continue to deny it?

You remind me of UnitedWithChrist the way you question the scriptures accuracy and validity and those who are Christian and hold them precious. It's uncanny.

I've met a few people who don't think the ten commandments apply today. I will state that anyone who calls themselves Christian and openly admits they don't honor God's first command may wish to reconsider their self-title of , "Christian".

Jesus reiterated the ten commandments as valid in his time and earth remains as does Heaven. Therefore, per Christ's instruction, I would say cursed are those who mock the ten commandments and rest assured they are saved when they admit they can't or do not follow them.

I don't steal.
I don't murder.
I don't lie.
I don't worship idols or any God not my God.
I respect my parents.
I do not commit adultery as a married woman

On and on. See how simple the morality God defined for us and that he wrote in our hearts so that we would never be separated from them sounds? I could go on with the list but they're already printed in my other reply.

If you have a problem following just those six, perhaps you should be very concerned for your soul.

Continue to run

If i make an accusation i will stand by it,, but that seems to be impossible for a select group of people